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Rolf Harris paintings?
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there is a difference between someone who creates and someone who copies
A brilliant violinist will play a piece of music by Mozart, it is difficult to do not many people can do it. But the notes are there, someone had to create those notes, that takes genius. In the same way in a great painting someone has to write those notes. |
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Many artists do both. Copying others is a way to improve your knowledge and techniques but we all do original stuff too. It's for others to judge if it's any good.
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all artists copy and learn from others, that is difficult and enjoyable.
but it is a craft, not art. |
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That's why I have sympathy for the artist that was forged and not for the person who was conned into believing it was real.
Since the value must lie in the amount YOU would pay for something, not in how much you can sell it for. |
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all artists copy and learn from others, that is difficult and enjoyable.
but it is a craft, not art. I don't think anyone would dispute that lfc |
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There are grey areas, where someone takes something or an image which already exists and presents it in a new way. Warhol's Marilyns for example or his paintings of soup cans. What about Duchamp's "fountain"? Is it art? Apparently so.
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If I paint a picture of my grandson using a photograph sent to me by my daughter, is it art, or craft? If I take the photo myself and use that, is it any different? Is the work of celebrated photographers art? What they are photographing is already there, they are just creating an image of it using a camera.
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Photography would be artistic in the sense of use of composition based on an acquired skill that was learned from observation.
Its a very weak one though, made for today's generation entirely. |
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consider the Punk Rock group the Sex Pistols. they were not technically particularly good. There were thousands of better guitarists.
But from the opening chords of GSTQ, or Pretty Vacant and Johnny Rottens vocals you knew you were hearing something beautiful and unique and something that no other group could produce. could any other country in the world have produced the Sex Pistols other than England? no I don't think so, only England. |
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some great painters painted from photographs,Maurice Utrillo is one of my favourite artists and he did this often
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so the question is how do you know it`s a Utrillo if it`s painted from a photograph?
the answer is you only have to look at it, no one else could have made that painting it`s Utrillo, the painting is in his style, someone else may have been more technically good at painting from the photograph..so what? that doesn't matter. what matters is that when you look at Utrillo`s painting you know it is by him. |
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Was it John Lennon who said, when asked about Ringo Starr, "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles".
I think you have to make use of available techniques as appropriate. Photographs are useful when painting portraits, especially children who have difficulty keeping still for any length of time. For outdoor painting, the light and shadows can change dramatically, or the tide can come in if by the sea. Photographs help you "freeze" the moment so you can keep your picture consistent. Before photography, some artists used "Camera obscura", Canaletto being known to use it for his "busy" landscapes. I don't think anyone copies photos exactly if you don't add something then it's not worth painting it, just frame the photo. |
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There are some more modern artists who weren't/ aren't brilliant draughtsmen, Lowry for one, but I don't consider them to be great artists.
Ive literally just got off the phone to my old man who had been on a break in salford and was told he went to the Lowry museum and he said it was 5hit, 'thats not art that' says he.   |
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He couldn't draw dogs or horses that's for sure.
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Lowry was a great artist, not everyone will understand why, they don't have the facility for it.
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You are entitled to your opinion lfc, there's no need to be patronising.
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yes sorry Foinavon, I didn't really mean it that way and wasn't referring to anyone in particular
I meant that it`s a bit like saying I don`t understand e=mc2, I don`t, not really. But I`m not going to then say its not a real or true or beautiful formula just because I don't understand it |
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That's OK lfc, let's not get into physics, art is difficult enough
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a woman bought a load of his paintings for good money..........think they told her they were worthless
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Foinavon
That's OK lfc, let's not get into physics, art is difficult enough I don't think it is foinavon for the vast majority of people including myself. To me I look at something and either like it or not. I used to visit the Kelvingrove museum a lot and spent most of my time looking at the paintings. I can see though that someone like yourself, ie an artist, looks beyond that. |
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one of GLASGOWS jewels is the kelvingrove aka.
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Unbelievable place GC, love it.
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bit depressing for some but this funeral painting is one of my favs from the museum....bit too big to put under my coat.
https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/a-funeral-service-in-the-highlands-84325 |
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An excellent painting. Guthrie painted some more cheerful scenes which I would prefer to hang on my wall, (if I could afford them).
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I do have an interest in physics too Aka.
. Science provided my bread and butter, art is a lifelong hobby. |