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Or was it a filthy lie
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That was made by Vote Leave anxious, i have already schooled you on this before.
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yeah sure , you couldn't school a cat zen |
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I remember it well anxious, you believed it was a Tory promise.
Do you remember>? |
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I remember it doesn't matter who promised it , it was a lie Blair was correct when he said all the facts were not on the table
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Why weren't all the facts on the table anxious?
Every political rep had their turn in educating us, did the cat catch Cameron's tongue?, or Corbyn's tongue??? I mean, what happened anxious? |
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blair smashed the labour party along with the previous - Kinnock!!! turned it into tory lite
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Zen I know you have been on a triumphalist high since last June but I really don't know why, the vote was very close it was not a landlside I myself voted to leave but I don't go running around as though England won thw world cup
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There were lies and untruths on both sides it was not a debate based on reason
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I think most would agree that's it's not immigration which is the problem. It's uncontrolled immigration.
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yeah I agree with that.
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Ok anxious, you constantly run away from questions to post emotional reflections.
You now champion Tony Blair who has rubbished your comrade Corbyn, but you find solace in Blair because he attacks the Tories. You are a tribalist trapped in a bubble. |
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I think most would agree that's it's not immigration which is the problem. It's uncontrolled immigration.
Agree, but Tony Blair does not agree. |
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No Zen that's not true I support many of the things Jeremy says , as for Blair im not a big fan of his but I read some of his speech and I agreed with some of it
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I agreed with Blair when he said it wasn't a debate where all the facts were on the table
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I get the impression that anxious is so very very pleased with himself when he calls people 'tory fan boys' that he does a little sex wee in his Jezza y-fronts.
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very funny , boxers im strictly 90s man |
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oh dear anxious - the guy does not represent your socialist philosophy nor mine
a nasty tory lite barsteward who carved the party up you memory is poor |
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What FACTS were missing from the table, and why did no political rep place these missing FACTS on the table?
Or is TB not sure what these missing FACTS are, as the are FACTS that will be discovered in the future? |
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your memory is poor
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Look what im saying is that the whole campaign was conducted like a by-election , and im not sure that people knew all the pros and cons of the EU,
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Poor Jeremy can't even get the backing of tribal reds like anxious.
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Look what im saying is that the whole campaign was conducted like a by-election , and im not sure that people knew all the pros and cons of the EU,
Neither does Tony Blair |
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No I do support Jeremy but not everything about Blair was bad , its not as cut and dried as that it never is
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Will we see a head to head between Farage v Blair?
I am yet to see Farage lose an argument but it would be entertaining. |
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Sorry *debate* not *argument*
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That's true but he wanted to remain so he obviously favoured that side , the point im making is that descended into a shouting match
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Farage v Blair now that would be a real debate , if you had them 2 on for an hour that would be interesting
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IM afraid the politicians of today are not like years ago
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I mean you only have to name a few like Thacher , Howe , Heseltine , John Smith , Tony Benn , Peter Shore to name a few . todays mob are hopeless compared to them
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True, todays politicians are performers without substance.
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I don't think however there should be another referendum , accept the result and move on
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Well said anxious.
BTW oh for a John Smith.. |
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blair and farage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT--RnOYORI |
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Seen that before Scandy and it is brutally honest from Farage.
Blair starts off his retort pointing at Farage " You sit with our country's flag but you do not represent our country's interest... " to which Blair receives a round of applause from other members...Blair spoke too soon This was 2005 and 10 years before UKIP won the European Elections and 11 years before the UK voted to Leave the EU. How wrong Tony Blair was and how out of touch he is now. |
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TB should have done the honourable thing and bowed out of the limelight quietly.
Has zero credibility with the average voter. |
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What Odds France are out Next ?? Merkel Goes I reckon Germany Follow ,UNION FINNISH
What are these people trying to keep us in ? |
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I thought most of his arguments were poor and it seems to me like he thinks he can only get anything out of this by fighting dirty rather than presenting reasoned arguments.
The thing about all the facts being on the table and the lies about 350 million and we didnt know what we were voting for....it all fails to acknowledge the point of a referendum imo. The reason we had a once in a generation vote was to put the decision in the populations hands. Not to put the decision in the hands of whichever bunch of politicians could come up with the most convincing arguments while adhering to a strict code of honesty and good faith. Of course politicians will spin the truth and try to convince you of what suits them. Thats the whole reason the movement to have a referendum to put it in the populations hands became so compelling. To argue that referendums are only valid if politicians are holding everyones hand along the way, is to argue that referendums are a waste of time. |
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Whatever this Blair fookr recommends, I will want to do the opposite.
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i actually couldnt believe what i was hearing complaining that the government was to busy concentrating on putting into operation what the voters had voted for,bit like expecting a tory government to implement a labour manifesto,the blokes lost the plot,the people who voted him through as mp for sedgefield year after year voted for brexit by 60% ,there now idiots who didnt no what they were doing
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