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tobermory
12 Feb 17 19:47
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It's a big thing to lie about if thats what he's done !


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/10/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-denies-lying-about-being-at-hillsborough-disaster

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By:
tobermory
When: 12 Feb 17 19:47
In response to the questions, Ukip issued a statement that said Nuttall was the victim of a smear campaign sanctioned by senior members of the Labour party.

Any claim that he was not at Hillsborough was “totally false and highly defamatory”, the statement said, adding: “Paul was indeed at Hillsborough. He attended the match with his father and other family members. For political opponents to suggest otherwise and for left-wing media organisations to promote such claims constitutes a new low for the Labour party and its associates.”

Ukip produced two statements. The statement from Nuttall’s father begins: “I am and always have been the father of Paul Nuttall, leader of the UK Independence party.” It goes on to state that Nuttall had been 13 years old at the time of the disaster. He was in fact 12.

The second statement is said to be from a Ukip official at the European parliament. This said that the two men had been friends for 35 years and were both at Hillsborough.
By:
tobermory
When: 12 Feb 17 19:48
“I am and always have been the father of Paul Nuttall,

Confused Crazy
By:
Shab
When: 12 Feb 17 19:53
It is fake news put out by the Guardian to link subconsciously that Nuttall is a liar.

There is no way to know the truth so it is not a story - just a he said / she said argument.

Reporting it as a story is really poor 'journalism' - especially from a newspaper that is so big about fake news.
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Feb 17 20:02
Nuttall.........is toast !........bye ! Laugh
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Feb 17 20:03
Farage sucking up to Trump has put me right off the Nutter Party !
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Feb 17 20:03
Bunch of headcases !
By:
donny osmond
When: 12 Feb 17 20:05
does he have a phd as he claimed

did he play for tranmere as he claimed

where was he living when he filled in his stoke election papers



strange guy



what has he done for hillsboro campaigners ?
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Feb 17 20:05
Nuttall lied about his address pre-by-election.......that's a NO !!!!!!.....then
By:
Shab
When: 12 Feb 17 20:16

Feb 12, 2017 -- 2:05PM, donny osmond wrote:


does he have a phd as he claimeddid he play for tranmere as he claimedwhere was he living when he filled in his stoke election papersstrange guywhat has he done for hillsboro campaigners ?


But you need to look past the headlines.

The PHD claim was on a Linkin page that he claims no knowledge of. So did he set it up? If so, why mention something there, and ONLY there? Maybe somebody else set it up? Who knows.

The Tranmere issue was an honest mistake, so he says, by a Press Officer on 2 documents in 2010. He did spend 5 years at Tranmere as a junior/youth player.

The Hillsborough issue: my best friend was at Hillsborough. The ONLY thing he has told me in 25 years was in the week after, and it was that he was standing on top of somebody and knew the guy was dying but he knew if he were to bend down, he was gone too. He has never told me anything since, ever.

By:
donny osmond
When: 12 Feb 17 20:23
you missed one !  his address at time of filling in papers


walter mitty springs to mind, why would somebody creat a linkin
page for him ?
By:
Shab
When: 12 Feb 17 20:41
So they coould use it to 'show' what a liar he is. Come on, man, wise up.
By:
Shab
When: 12 Feb 17 20:43
And the address in the papers was the address he had lined up to move in to. Hardly a hanging offence (although many are trying to make it so).
By:
donny osmond
When: 12 Feb 17 20:45
so not his current address as required

come on man, wise up
By:
mad mad moon
When: 12 Feb 17 20:51
The Stoke Central by election is the most important for years.
Created in 1950', it has always been Labour, often with a 10-20k majority.
As the opposition , especially during such a volatile political time , it would be a disaster for Labour if they lost.
Even a close run thing would be embarrassing .
Expect plenty of dirty tricks from all sides.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 12 Feb 17 20:59
so not his current address as required


The contract was signed on the address he put down. A transitional period has to be taken into consideration.

The luvvies clutching at straws again.
By:
donny osmond
When: 12 Feb 17 21:22
seems as if you are clutching zen
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 12 Feb 17 21:33
Paul Nuttall is working class.
Paul Nuttall didnt use his attendance at Hillsborough to his own advantage.
Neither did he or his family sue.

A lot to like about this working class hero.
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Feb 17 22:09
The truth will out....we can wait
By:
Facts
When: 12 Feb 17 23:34
We no the truth. The guy is an habitual liar.
By:
Facts
When: 12 Feb 17 23:35
* know - ffs !
By:
blackbarn
When: 12 Feb 17 23:44
I knew very little about this story, but what struck me as odd on reading this thread and other media stuff, it that there seems to be no record of this chap coming forward with direct participant evidence in response to any of the requests for this. 

Being mercenary, one would have thought that he would have been early in the "evidence" queue at the point at which it was obvious that 1. the fans were not at fault, and 2. He may have a career in politics that might "profit" from his experience. Call me old fashioned but this seems an opportunity missed or perhaps unavailable

This one will run and run imo.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 13 Feb 17 01:10
Its to his eternal credit that he didnt try to make capital,out of it.
He was only 12 at the time and may have been affected by the whole thing.

If Facts was there he would be suing for trauma.
Nuttall is a patriot,Facts hates his own country.
Nuttall will be an advocate for the working class in a Bob Crow way,Facts is an advocate for the globalists,the Islington set.
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 13 Feb 17 07:40
Maybe he wants to deal with it in his own way...


But then again some people want him strapped up to a Jeremy Kyle style lie detector in front of a live studio audience.


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You can't please all of the people all of the time.
By:
donny osmond
When: 13 Feb 17 10:39
he was there the year before too, and recognised the obvious danger as
an 11 year old. strange therefore he would return the following year.
By:
donny osmond
When: 13 Feb 17 10:41
..... and wait 25 years before giving his wisdom on the issue
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 10:45
Other Nuttall dodginess :


Staffordshire police have said they are investigating an allegation of election fraud after Nuttall’s nomination papers for the Stoke Central byelection gave an address in the city at which he subsequently admitted he was not living. Knowingly providing false information on a nomination paper is an offence punishable by up to 51 weeks’ imprisonment. Ukip said all rules had been complied with.

Nuttall’s personal website has carried the claim that he had once been a professional footballer with Tranmere Rovers. After Rovers stated that he had been a member of its youth side, but never a professional, Nuttall blamed his website’s statement on a Ukip press officer.

Until late last year, Nuttall’s profile page on the LinkedIn social networking site implied that he had a PhD. He did not complete his doctoral studies, however. Challenged about this, Nuttall insisted that the LinkedIn page “wasn’t put up by us, and we don’t know where it’s come from”. The page was subsequently edited to remove any reference to a PhD.

In 2015, while Ukip’s education spokesperson, Nuttall appeared in a photograph that was found to have been digitally altered to give the impression that he was standing in a library. Nuttall responded by joking that he had two copies of each of his books.

He is currently among six Ukip members of the European parliament who are under investigation for alleged misuse of funds. If they are found to have broken the rules, they will be expected to pay the money, which totals about £500,000.

Ukip rejects the allegations, saying it has “scrupulously applied” the rules of the European parliament.
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 10:50
Guardian article :

Nuttall was 12 at the time of the disaster, and was a pupil at Savio high school in Bootle, Liverpool. One of his former teachers, a Roman Catholic priest, has told the Guardian that the school believed it had been aware of the identities of every boy who had been at Hillsborough in order to help them through a difficult period, and that Nuttall was not among them.

A fellow pupil at the school who says he has been a friend of Nuttall for decades said the Ukip leader had never mentioned being there. “I have been very good friends with Paul for over 25 years,” he said, adding that during that time they had “never spoken” about Hillsborough.

While the teacher and friend expressed surprise that Nuttall has said he was at Hillsborough, their comments do not prove that he was not present.

Joe Benton, who was Labour MP for Bootle for 25 years, said that to the best of his knowledge Nuttall had not mentioned Hillsborough when he stood against him as Ukip’s candidate in the 2005 and 2010 general elections.

Nuttall had not mentioned being present at Hillsborough during any public meeting they had both attended, nor in his campaign literature, Benton said, despite the strength of feeling within the constituency about the police negligence that led to the deaths and the subsequent official cover-up that led to Liverpool fans being blamed for the disaster.


The current Labour MP for Bootle, Peter Dowd, said that as far as he was aware, Nuttall had not mentioned Hillsborough when he contested Bootle for Ukip in the 2015 general election.

The mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “If Nuttall was [at Hillsborough] then it is extremely disappointing that during many years of pain and anguish for the families, he never once used his position nationally and internationally to stand up for people from his own community and join the fight for justice.”

Margaret Aspinall, chair of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said she was surprised that Nuttall had never offered to assist with their decades-long campaign to overturn the cover-up that led to Liverpool football fans being blamed for the 96 deaths.

“I haven’t heard anything about him being at the match,” she said. “Has he given a statement to the police, who have said they want to hear from everyone who was there? He can’t say he hasn’t heard that the police want to take statements from everyone who was in the Leppings Lane, as it’s been all over local and national media.”

Nuttall declined to explain why he had not offered his support to the group. He also declined to say whether he had given a statement to the police who are currently investigating events on the day of the disaster.


He further declined to offer any comment about the way in which a former teacher and old school friend said he had never mentioned being at Hillsborough, nor about the way in which he appears not to have mentioned being present at the disaster while fighting three general elections in a Liverpool constituency.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 13 Feb 17 11:15
Its called dignity.
This man didnt want to benefit from others suffering,didnt want to exploit things for his own ends.

Its refreshing to see someone behave unselfishly.
Its refreshing to see someone act in an old fashioned English way.
By:
donny osmond
When: 13 Feb 17 11:16
why mention it now then ?
By:
twizzle22
When: 13 Feb 17 11:27
Its a real shame about the name "Nuttall" and the fact he's a dead ringer for Ade Edmondson because in this shallow land in which we live these two factors will contribute in him NOT winning the Stoke by election however much i wish it ain't so.
By:
mememe
When: 13 Feb 17 11:34
I don't know but I would bet on him being the next Stoke MP.

Any takers, Leppie?

Those Stoke Labour boys are going to take one hell of a beating on 23 Feb, one hell of a beating LaughLaughLaugh

Shame
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 11:49
Just checked ......(the market thinks differently)

Labour  1.91

UkIP      2.12

They should have gone for Stephen Wolf as the leader, he actually seemed same.
By:
twizzle22
When: 13 Feb 17 11:55
Yeah i agree...shame Diane James slugged him in StrasbourgWink
By:
mememe
When: 13 Feb 17 11:58
Leppie ...

It's sane FFS, not same.

Check before you post (unless you think the correct word is same).

PS I think Lab will get hammered.  Who's gonna vote for them?  I suppose that Jezzer now being a big Brexit fan will help, but counting against him is sh@gging big Diane... The good folk of Stoke don't like that sort of thing, not in the Potteries.
By:
twizzle22
When: 13 Feb 17 12:04
mememe 1 v Spotty 0Laugh
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 12:17
I blame any errors on my dictation software, I said sane and it comes up with same, I may not be bothered to change the errors, as it is too tediousLaugh
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 12:19
If you go down to the woods today you're being in for a big surprise the teddy bears are having a picnic: janetscales yummy that should've read the jam and scones, There I enunciated more carefully, I will have to enunciate more precisely colour collar, three attempts at eight, at three, at a word, put yourself together dictation software!Laugh
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 12:20
*Pull (god do I hate typing)
By:
The Leopard
When: 13 Feb 17 12:22
Mememe 1  V  The Leopard 1
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