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A Cambridge student has been expelled from the university’s Conservative Association for trying to burn a £20 note in front of a homeless man.
Ronald Coyne, a law student and distant relative of Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, was ejected from the association after footage of the incident was published. It showed him, dressed in white tie and tails, trying to set fire to the money.
Mr Coyne’s mother, Sandra McLaughlin, said: “I don’t really know why he’s done something so thoughtless and cruel. He did two years of volunteering at Stockbridge shelter homeless shop in Edinburgh when he was still at school. It’s very surprising. We’re just a normal family. We’re not toffs, he’s not a toff.”
Mr Coyne, of Pembroke College, is also said to be a member of the university’s law society. He had been the communications officer for the Conservative Association’s executive committee, which said he was not on his way to or from any of the association’s events when the incident happened.
The footage was published by The Tab, an online student publication, after having been uploaded to social media last week. It was filmed after Mr Coyne had been at a formal dinner at Pembroke College, according to Varsity, one of the Cambridge student newspapers.
A spokesman for the Conservative Association (Cuca) condemned Mr Coyne’s “private behaviour”. He said: “There is no room for people who behave like that in our association, any other university association, or frankly our university. This disgusting and abhorrent behaviour occurred completely independently of Cuca. We determined the appropriate response to be to permanently revoke his membership and bar him from all future events.”
A spokesman for Cambridge University told The Times: “The university is committed to respecting the rights and dignity of all members of our community. We expect our students to treat others with respect, courtesy and consideration at all times, and the university takes allegations of unacceptable behaviour very seriously. We do not comment on individual cases.”
George Clarke, the founder of Embrace Cambridge, a charity that works with homeless people, said there was a “disturbing precedent for intoxicated Cambridge students to abuse rough sleepers in the city, but as well as calling out this disgraceful behaviour wherever we find it, we can and should remember that there is a real heart for charity at this university too”.
A Cambridge student who saw Mr Coyne soon after the incident told The Tab: “I was blocked from getting into my college as some chap in white tie was being excluded by the porters.
“I saw the videos of what he did the next morning and am utterly shocked and appalled. I’m sure I speak on behalf of the student body when I say that we condemn such actions.”
Burning money in front of beggars is claimed to be part of the initiation ceremony for joining the Bullingdon Club, an all-male dining club at Oxford.
A spokesman for the Scottish government said: “The individual is not a direct relative of the first minister or her husband.”
He is thought to be the nephew of the former husband of Mrs Sturgeon’s sister-in-law.
IT’LL NEVER CATCH ON...
David Cameron and Boris Johnson were members of the Bullingdon Club, at Oxford. In 2013 recruits allegedly had to burn a £50 note in front of a beggar as an initiation.
Members of the K Foundation, formerly the electronic band KLF, burnt £1 million in cash in 1994 on the Scottish island of Jura.
The Royal Society of Chemistry advises on how to burn money in school experiments to stimulate discussion. It says the new polymer notes are not suitable for the experiment.
Ronald Coyne, a law student and distant relative of Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, was ejected from the association after footage of the incident was published. It showed him, dressed in white tie and tails, trying to set fire to the money.
Mr Coyne’s mother, Sandra McLaughlin, said: “I don’t really know why he’s done something so thoughtless and cruel. He did two years of volunteering at Stockbridge shelter homeless shop in Edinburgh when he was still at school. It’s very surprising. We’re just a normal family. We’re not toffs, he’s not a toff.”
Mr Coyne, of Pembroke College, is also said to be a member of the university’s law society. He had been the communications officer for the Conservative Association’s executive committee, which said he was not on his way to or from any of the association’s events when the incident happened.
The footage was published by The Tab, an online student publication, after having been uploaded to social media last week. It was filmed after Mr Coyne had been at a formal dinner at Pembroke College, according to Varsity, one of the Cambridge student newspapers.
A spokesman for the Conservative Association (Cuca) condemned Mr Coyne’s “private behaviour”. He said: “There is no room for people who behave like that in our association, any other university association, or frankly our university. This disgusting and abhorrent behaviour occurred completely independently of Cuca. We determined the appropriate response to be to permanently revoke his membership and bar him from all future events.”
A spokesman for Cambridge University told The Times: “The university is committed to respecting the rights and dignity of all members of our community. We expect our students to treat others with respect, courtesy and consideration at all times, and the university takes allegations of unacceptable behaviour very seriously. We do not comment on individual cases.”
George Clarke, the founder of Embrace Cambridge, a charity that works with homeless people, said there was a “disturbing precedent for intoxicated Cambridge students to abuse rough sleepers in the city, but as well as calling out this disgraceful behaviour wherever we find it, we can and should remember that there is a real heart for charity at this university too”.
A Cambridge student who saw Mr Coyne soon after the incident told The Tab: “I was blocked from getting into my college as some chap in white tie was being excluded by the porters.
“I saw the videos of what he did the next morning and am utterly shocked and appalled. I’m sure I speak on behalf of the student body when I say that we condemn such actions.”
Burning money in front of beggars is claimed to be part of the initiation ceremony for joining the Bullingdon Club, an all-male dining club at Oxford.
A spokesman for the Scottish government said: “The individual is not a direct relative of the first minister or her husband.”
He is thought to be the nephew of the former husband of Mrs Sturgeon’s sister-in-law.
IT’LL NEVER CATCH ON...
David Cameron and Boris Johnson were members of the Bullingdon Club, at Oxford. In 2013 recruits allegedly had to burn a £50 note in front of a beggar as an initiation.
Members of the K Foundation, formerly the electronic band KLF, burnt £1 million in cash in 1994 on the Scottish island of Jura.
The Royal Society of Chemistry advises on how to burn money in school experiments to stimulate discussion. It says the new polymer notes are not suitable for the experiment.
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Life in any case is just a session of disappointments, and bad impressions.
"There but for the grace go i"... it would be an unusual occurrence that in our youth when half pi$$ed and full of bravado that we hadn't done something stupid and reckless. The young man is going to pay big time for his moment of madness and possibly ruin his life.The price he is going to pay is wholly disproportionate in my opinion.
Spot on, fuss about nothing.
Spot on, fuss about nothing.
Mr Coyne’s mother, Sandra McLaughlin, said: “I don’t really know why he’s done something so thoughtless and cruel. He did two years of volunteering at Stockbridge shelter homeless shop in Edinburgh when he was still at school. It’s very surprising
Is that not a common thing - the bullingdon club? it's like a thing they do.
in certain countries if you burn money with the image of the monarch you are sentenced to a long prison sentence, even death ? anythings possible in some of these places.
Its not like that in Britain, not yet.
Its not like that in Britain, not yet.
Fookin students these days ...
why wasn't he out marching against Brexit or Trump.
No, the silly little fooker was out drinking with his mates, must have money to burn.
why wasn't he out marching against Brexit or Trump.
No, the silly little fooker was out drinking with his mates, must have money to burn.
he was doing less damage than the protesters and do gooders and those mad students,
who would deny that ?
who would deny that ?
Ive known several homeless when I was younger and they were tough as teak.
The thought of them just watching some kid dressed in 'white tie and tails' attempt to humiliate them in this manner makes me laugh.
It would have been interpreted as him spitting in their face and they'd probably have sunk their fingers into the back of his eyes.
He'd have been out of his depth very very quickly.
The thought of them just watching some kid dressed in 'white tie and tails' attempt to humiliate them in this manner makes me laugh.
It would have been interpreted as him spitting in their face and they'd probably have sunk their fingers into the back of his eyes.
He'd have been out of his depth very very quickly.
I would like to see every student protester fined £20 and the money given
to the homeless people of Britain.
to the homeless people of Britain.
don't underestimate someone with a public school education if it comes to
courage or fisticuffs.
courage or fisticuffs.
anxious
10 Feb 17 14:34
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He was just behaving like most tories do
I wouldn't know. Do you know lots of Tories then that go round burning money in front of homeless people.
Or is this yet another leftie "I'll make something up to suit my argument" 'fact'. ... sort of fakenews?
That's why lefties have no credibility these days, people just don't believe them any more.
10 Feb 17 14:34
Joined: 14 May 15
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He was just behaving like most tories do
I wouldn't know. Do you know lots of Tories then that go round burning money in front of homeless people.
Or is this yet another leftie "I'll make something up to suit my argument" 'fact'. ... sort of fakenews?
That's why lefties have no credibility these days, people just don't believe them any more.
lfc, I think theres a difference between listening to lyrics in Jam records and actually surviving on the streets.
He'd have been bang in trouble, not least because the homeless have nothing to lose.
He'd have been bang in trouble, not least because the homeless have nothing to lose.
yes, its not a sensible thing to do from that point of view.
that's not what we are discussing here ?
that's not what we are discussing here ?
Mememe It was partly a joke but it certainly got your knickers in a twist , but yes I do think since the advent of Thatcher Spiv Culture this sort of thing has happened more , a kind of greed is good society and money is the almighty god and if you haven't got any then its tough.
The reaction of the homeless man was a question you asked.
I answered it from what I knew of homeless people in general.
The fact this lad got away with the stupid act was probably just lucky, which imo was unfortunate because nothing is a greater leveler or has a greater impact than being brought heavily down to earth.
It would have given him some much needed experience in life and made him think before he did anything as silly again.
In reference to above posts about being young and daft....we all have, but the starkest ones and the ones we dont forget easily are the ones that are taught through violence.
I remember being a cocky kid in a pub once and nicked this blokes chip and he gave me such a fooking slap Ill never forget it
I answered it from what I knew of homeless people in general.
The fact this lad got away with the stupid act was probably just lucky, which imo was unfortunate because nothing is a greater leveler or has a greater impact than being brought heavily down to earth.
It would have given him some much needed experience in life and made him think before he did anything as silly again.
In reference to above posts about being young and daft....we all have, but the starkest ones and the ones we dont forget easily are the ones that are taught through violence.
I remember being a cocky kid in a pub once and nicked this blokes chip and he gave me such a fooking slap Ill never forget it
everyone in Britain has money so that's not a problem.
yes, dustybin. you have to be very careful what you say to the working classes,
and people in general.
and people in general.
that's why I said, perhaps he doesn't like poor people ?
I dare say he'd like em even less if he'd done his act of bravado to the wrong one.
he doesn't have to like them, I think we can all agree that.
No this is true, but liking and mocking are two very different things.
Ive never heard of these practices and it sounds more like an old wives tale that the bullingdon prix do it, but if they did then all it does is solidify the contempt due to such creatures.
I hope we don't stop people mocking others, it can be good for them
no one should be fearful of being mocked
everyone should be, I would not fear being mocked
and I do not fear poverty or living on the streets.
no one should be fearful of being mocked
everyone should be, I would not fear being mocked
and I do not fear poverty or living on the streets.
I would not do it, but I would not worry too much if it was done to me
If there a jovial manner to mocking then fine, if it has intent then by all means allow it but then equally allow the response in whatever form it comes.
I might have a little laugh about it, its pretty senseless to waste good money like that
anxious
10 Feb 17 14:50
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Mememe It was partly a joke but it certainly got your knickers in a twist , but yes I do think since the advent of Thatcher Spiv Culture this sort of thing has happened more , a kind of greed is good society and money is the almighty god and if you haven't got any then its tough.
it didn't get my knickers in a twist.
Just asked a simple question ... I wouldn't know. Do you know lots of Tories then that go round burning money in front of homeless people.
Or is this yet another leftie "I'll make something up to suit my argument" 'fact'. ... sort of fakenews?
That's why lefties have no credibility these days, people just don't believe them any more.
But just making things up and then when challenged seems to be their way these days. And adding some spurious comment that avoids answering the question ... I do think since the advent of Thatcher Spiv Culture this sort of thing has happened more , a kind of greed is good society and money is the almighty god and if you haven't got any then its tough. doesn't answer the question.
But there again, I have a general view that all lefties are thick. From personal experience and observation it's true.
Thank you.
10 Feb 17 14:50
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Mememe It was partly a joke but it certainly got your knickers in a twist , but yes I do think since the advent of Thatcher Spiv Culture this sort of thing has happened more , a kind of greed is good society and money is the almighty god and if you haven't got any then its tough.
it didn't get my knickers in a twist.
Just asked a simple question ... I wouldn't know. Do you know lots of Tories then that go round burning money in front of homeless people.
Or is this yet another leftie "I'll make something up to suit my argument" 'fact'. ... sort of fakenews?
That's why lefties have no credibility these days, people just don't believe them any more.
But just making things up and then when challenged seems to be their way these days. And adding some spurious comment that avoids answering the question ... I do think since the advent of Thatcher Spiv Culture this sort of thing has happened more , a kind of greed is good society and money is the almighty god and if you haven't got any then its tough. doesn't answer the question.
But there again, I have a general view that all lefties are thick. From personal experience and observation it's true.
Thank you.
No doubt this will qualify posh little Ronnie a seat in a future Tory cabinet. All he needs now is an incident with a private part of his anatomy and a dead pig's mouth !
Well there lies your answer , anybody who disagrees with your political views is thick , I think with people like yourself its impossible to debate because you have fixed narrow views which never move, regarding what I said about tories it was more a way of saying how society in the last 35 years has become more selfish and money has become the only thing some people are interested in
My brother went to Christ College Cambridge, and had he done something as stupid as this Id have driven down there and reminded him of his roots.
anxious ...
obfuscation is a word that was invented for lefties ...
say something as a fact, when challenged ignore the challenge and rant about something else.
obfuscation is a word that was invented for lefties ...
say something as a fact, when challenged ignore the challenge and rant about something else.
Mememe your playing with words now , I think you understand the point I was making about the tories and money , I mean can you deny that in the 80s Thatcher encouraged and promoted greed and self interest to such a point that she once said - there is no such thing as society
Anxious,
I'm a great admirer of Thatcher. She led when we needed leadership (imo). Went nutty later and Tories kicked her out (rightly imo).
I'm a great admirer of Thatcher. She led when we needed leadership (imo). Went nutty later and Tories kicked her out (rightly imo).
Well it would help if you understood what she meant by that remark anxious
That was one of the few things she got right
That was one of the few things she got right
I mean can you deny that in the 80s Thatcher encouraged and promoted greed
What you mean is she advocated keeping the money that you worked hard to get, rather than sitting on your @rse expecting someone to bail you out.
What you mean is she advocated keeping the money that you worked hard to get, rather than sitting on your @rse expecting someone to bail you out.
A country that had seen its relative wealth decline rapidly since the war, was hit with huge inflation, in the grip of the unions and would've been unable to compete in an increasingly competitive global economy. We were heading for poverty.
Yes she certainly helped by throwing 4 million on the dole and selling every asset we had off to pay for it , progress eh
Her experiment now can be seen as total failure anyway , her dream of a property owning democracy now dead in the water
errrg
The spectre of thatcher brought out again and battle lines drawn.
What I always find distasteful is all the plumbers and electricians who come out fighting her corner as though she had them in mind when she created the biggest backdrop of deregulation in history so that those dipping their bread while doing nothing could strip the cupboard bare.
The spectre of thatcher brought out again and battle lines drawn.
What I always find distasteful is all the plumbers and electricians who come out fighting her corner as though she had them in mind when she created the biggest backdrop of deregulation in history so that those dipping their bread while doing nothing could strip the cupboard bare.
Tom Copley, Labour's housing spokesman in the capital, said that Margaret Thatcher's government had built more council flats and houses in a single year than New Labour's managed in its entire period in office.
This is correct. The official data shows that the Blair and Brown governments built 7,870 council houses (local authority tenure) over the course of 13 years. (If we don't include 2010 - the year when David Cameron became PM - this number drops to 6,510.) Mr Copley has contrasted this figure with the record of Mrs Thatcher's government, which never built fewer than 17,710 homes in a year.
Between 1997 and 2010, of the 2.61 million homes constructed, only 0.3% were local authority tenure. Mrs Thatcher's government supervised the building of a similar number of houses (2.63 million), but 18.9% were LA or 'council' properties.
To look at it another way, New Labour built an average of 562 council houses per year. And Mrs Thatcher's Conservatives? 41,343.
This is correct. The official data shows that the Blair and Brown governments built 7,870 council houses (local authority tenure) over the course of 13 years. (If we don't include 2010 - the year when David Cameron became PM - this number drops to 6,510.) Mr Copley has contrasted this figure with the record of Mrs Thatcher's government, which never built fewer than 17,710 homes in a year.
Between 1997 and 2010, of the 2.61 million homes constructed, only 0.3% were local authority tenure. Mrs Thatcher's government supervised the building of a similar number of houses (2.63 million), but 18.9% were LA or 'council' properties.
To look at it another way, New Labour built an average of 562 council houses per year. And Mrs Thatcher's Conservatives? 41,343.
I was working over in Tehran (living there with family) and we had to come back because of their revolution.
Got back in UK at the end of 1978 and Jim Callaghan was PM and we'd had 5 years of labour govt.
First thing was dead not being buried, rubbish not been collected, shortages of basic stuff in shops.
Thought about turning straight round and going back to Iran and taking our chances with the religious fanatics ...
Didn't labour do well? Thank fook for Thatcher.
Got back in UK at the end of 1978 and Jim Callaghan was PM and we'd had 5 years of labour govt.
First thing was dead not being buried, rubbish not been collected, shortages of basic stuff in shops.
Thought about turning straight round and going back to Iran and taking our chances with the religious fanatics ...
Didn't labour do well? Thank fook for Thatcher.
Fookin hell Clydebank, don't post irrefutable stats.
Lefties don't like them if they destroy their argument.
They'll call you thick and racist.
Lefties don't like them if they destroy their argument.
They'll call you thick and racist.
don't you ever get bored of whinging on about leftie this and that every single day? 
by the way SH,
not whingeing, just point out truths ... labour were useless. Still are.
But they've given us Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, the Party that just keeps on giving.
not whingeing, just point out truths ... labour were useless. Still are.
But they've given us Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, the Party that just keeps on giving.
But there again, I have a general view that all lefties are thick. From personal experience and observation it's true.
Lefties don't like them if they destroy their argument.
They'll call you thick and racist.
lol
Lefties don't like them if they destroy their argument.
They'll call you thick and racist.
lol
Silver service waiting team at Elton John's wedding ?
Conservatives 1/2 to win Copeland by election. Been Labour since 1935 lol.
aren't labour and the socialists doing well?
Sooo last century dahlings, all this protesting on the streets.
Sooo last century dahlings, all this protesting on the streets.
Only 1.86 to win Stoke which has never been anything else than a safe Labour seat.
Even if the Labour Party were too lose both by elections in the great scheme of things it doesn't mean that much, one day Labour will come back they still have a lot of people who will vote for them
I think anyway they will beat Nutall off in Stoke he is a dreadful man
It's a good job for Labour there seems to be a media freeze on the Lib Dems
Anxious,
it's not about 1 man (Nutall), it's about a movement that's no longer relevant in the 21st century.
We no longer dig coal or build ships or make cars or make steel (generally). We're no longer in the past.
Socialism has gone.
Even the Chinese and Russians embrace free enterprise.
Vote UKIP, you know it's the future ... thousands upon thousands of your comrades are and will on 23rd Feb.
You see if I'm right.
it's not about 1 man (Nutall), it's about a movement that's no longer relevant in the 21st century.
We no longer dig coal or build ships or make cars or make steel (generally). We're no longer in the past.
Socialism has gone.
Even the Chinese and Russians embrace free enterprise.
Vote UKIP, you know it's the future ... thousands upon thousands of your comrades are and will on 23rd Feb.
You see if I'm right.
No way Mememe I will never do that , democratic socialism is not dead it will never die.
I'm afraid we're watching it die.
BTW, both my grandfathers were miners and died early because of mining related disease (pneumoconiosis).
My father vowed my brother and I would never have to go and work down the pit (we grew up in a Yorkshire mining village).
I passed my 11+, Grammar School, excellent state education, became accountant, then mgt consultant. Earned big bucks (but worked fookin hard). Now middle class, as are my 2 daughters and their families.
That's why I'm a great fan of Margaret Thatcher and I fookin hate Arthur Scargill.
Socialism is dying on its feet.
BTW, both my grandfathers were miners and died early because of mining related disease (pneumoconiosis).
My father vowed my brother and I would never have to go and work down the pit (we grew up in a Yorkshire mining village).
I passed my 11+, Grammar School, excellent state education, became accountant, then mgt consultant. Earned big bucks (but worked fookin hard). Now middle class, as are my 2 daughters and their families.
That's why I'm a great fan of Margaret Thatcher and I fookin hate Arthur Scargill.
Socialism is dying on its feet.
Mememe Thatcher starved the Miners into submission she did not defeat them even though she used the police , the army , the judiciary, the filthy lying right win press to try to weaken them . The Miners only crime was defending their jobs , families and communities from her economic vandalism
I have this argument with a woman I know who is a staunch socialist.
People are partisan and buy into ideology based on what they think should be the ideal, but both socialism and capitalism fails, not because either is fundamentally flawed but because they are implemented by humans.
Socialism wont come back, the reason it wont is because people dont want to kill the dream of taking out more than they put in, or have their 'wings clipped' in limiting the amount of things they can attain.
Humans are fundamentally selfish creatures by and large, this is a continuation of the survival gene where nobody knows how much is enough....except as anxious rightly pointed out, a culture has infested the populations of consumerist nations where opportunism is acceptable and the consequences ignored because growth is required to pay pensions and inflation etc.
People are partisan and buy into ideology based on what they think should be the ideal, but both socialism and capitalism fails, not because either is fundamentally flawed but because they are implemented by humans.
Socialism wont come back, the reason it wont is because people dont want to kill the dream of taking out more than they put in, or have their 'wings clipped' in limiting the amount of things they can attain.
Humans are fundamentally selfish creatures by and large, this is a continuation of the survival gene where nobody knows how much is enough....except as anxious rightly pointed out, a culture has infested the populations of consumerist nations where opportunism is acceptable and the consequences ignored because growth is required to pay pensions and inflation etc.
Good points dusty. Motivation is the key. You've got to be motivated to build, discover, develop and progress and all of those require selfishness. That's human nature. Far left socialism destroys motivation in favour of an unobtainable ideology.
It also leads to massive corruption as we have seen in eastern Europe and elsewhere
Chile - Pinochet - corruption
Italy - Berlesconi - corruption
Isreal - Netanyahu- corruption
Italy - Berlesconi - corruption
Isreal - Netanyahu- corruption
Currently only Estonia from Eastern Europe ranks better than Chile and Israel according to Transparency International. It's endemic in their culture thanks to years of communist rule.
Anxious
Mememe Thatcher starved the Miners into submission she did not defeat them even though she used the police , the army , the judiciary, the filthy lying right win press to try to weaken them . The Miners only crime was defending their jobs , families and communities from her economic vandalism
Arthur Scargill was the man who screwed the miners, not Thatcher.
Mememe Thatcher starved the Miners into submission she did not defeat them even though she used the police , the army , the judiciary, the filthy lying right win press to try to weaken them . The Miners only crime was defending their jobs , families and communities from her economic vandalism
Arthur Scargill was the man who screwed the miners, not Thatcher.
Indeed he was, mememe. I grew up around mining areas, they were encouraged to be a greedy lot and it went to far. I don't know any of em that left without a payoff for some kind of prescribed industrial injury. They are currently opening new centres around Selby so that miners can lodge claims now the mines are closed. Vibrating white finger ffs, try that if you dig roads for a living.
Lions led by a donkey.
But the left don't see it and blame Thatcher for devastating the industry and the mining areas.
South Yorkshire was my birthplace ... mining village near Doncaster.
When I go back there (rarely thank fook) I see only squalor.
Well done Arthur, hell of a revolution, wasn't it?
But I bet you're doing ok.
But the left don't see it and blame Thatcher for devastating the industry and the mining areas.
South Yorkshire was my birthplace ... mining village near Doncaster.
When I go back there (rarely thank fook) I see only squalor.
Well done Arthur, hell of a revolution, wasn't it?
But I bet you're doing ok.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806872/Former-NUM-leader-Arthur-Scargill-investigated-purchasing-2million-property-half-value.html
SEEMS HE'S DOING OK
SEEMS HE'S DOING OK
Come on Clyde
If it's in the Daily Mail it can't be true.
All lefties know that, don't they. Only the Guardian prints the truth. All other UK newspapers are owned by the right wing, aren't they?
If it's in the Daily Mail it can't be true.
All lefties know that, don't they. Only the Guardian prints the truth. All other UK newspapers are owned by the right wing, aren't they?
Come on how can Arthur Scargill be a lefty when he voted and campaigned for BrexitHe was on your side you Brexiters
He was on your side you Brexiters
Mememe, both my grandfathers were also miners and they both died young of pneumoconiosis aswell.
Margaret Thatcher broke the miners strike illegally as will be shown in the investigation into Orgreve .
You are a traitor to your ancestors.
You received a better education at the expense of the other 90% excluded from the Grammar school.
Thatcher had a PPS, Peter Morrison, who was a known paedophile, known to MI5, who would have told her, and she did not sack him, disgraceful !
Think again, there is time to change !
Wiki :
In October 2016, a former Merseyside Police officer who was present at Orgreave told BBC journalist Dan Johnson that at a briefing before the confrontation senior South Yorkshire Police officers were "anticipating trouble and in some ways relishing it and looking forward to it."
He said that the police support units had been given "a licence to do what we wanted" and were ordered to charge "a largely peaceful crowd." Of the violence that followed, he said: "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was just seeing police officers attack people. These were people on the ground and even if they weren't doing anything – just walking away – police officers had their batons and they were just hitting people."[76][77]
The campaign for an inquiry gained more coverage following revelations about corruption in South Yorkshire Police during the Hillsborough disaster.[78] Wakefield Metropolitan District Council became the first council in Britain to fly the flag of the Campaign in June 2016, whilst other councils in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire were considering the same action.[78]
Margaret Thatcher broke the miners strike illegally as will be shown in the investigation into Orgreve .
You are a traitor to your ancestors.
You received a better education at the expense of the other 90% excluded from the Grammar school.
Thatcher had a PPS, Peter Morrison, who was a known paedophile, known to MI5, who would have told her, and she did not sack him, disgraceful !
Think again, there is time to change !
Wiki :
In October 2016, a former Merseyside Police officer who was present at Orgreave told BBC journalist Dan Johnson that at a briefing before the confrontation senior South Yorkshire Police officers were "anticipating trouble and in some ways relishing it and looking forward to it."
He said that the police support units had been given "a licence to do what we wanted" and were ordered to charge "a largely peaceful crowd." Of the violence that followed, he said: "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was just seeing police officers attack people. These were people on the ground and even if they weren't doing anything – just walking away – police officers had their batons and they were just hitting people."[76][77]
The campaign for an inquiry gained more coverage following revelations about corruption in South Yorkshire Police during the Hillsborough disaster.[78] Wakefield Metropolitan District Council became the first council in Britain to fly the flag of the Campaign in June 2016, whilst other councils in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire were considering the same action.[78]
Wiki :
David Hart, a right-wing political activist and adviser to Margaret Thatcher, MacGregor and the NCB, claimed that Orgreave was "a set-up by us". He said in a 1993 interview, "The coke was of no interest whatsoever. We didn't need it. It was a battle ground of our choosing on grounds of our choosing. I don't think that Scargill believes that even today. The fact is that it was a set-up and it worked brilliantly."[87]
Following his comments, senior managers from the NCB denied these claims and threatened Hart with disassociation.[87] John Alderson, in Principled Policing: Protecting the Public with Integrity (1998), wrote that if MacGregor and Hart's claims were true, the "conspiracy to draw the miners into mass pickets and predictable violent conflict between the police and themselves" constituted a "deceit... tantamount to incitement"
David Hart, a right-wing political activist and adviser to Margaret Thatcher, MacGregor and the NCB, claimed that Orgreave was "a set-up by us". He said in a 1993 interview, "The coke was of no interest whatsoever. We didn't need it. It was a battle ground of our choosing on grounds of our choosing. I don't think that Scargill believes that even today. The fact is that it was a set-up and it worked brilliantly."[87]
Following his comments, senior managers from the NCB denied these claims and threatened Hart with disassociation.[87] John Alderson, in Principled Policing: Protecting the Public with Integrity (1998), wrote that if MacGregor and Hart's claims were true, the "conspiracy to draw the miners into mass pickets and predictable violent conflict between the police and themselves" constituted a "deceit... tantamount to incitement"
It is possible to despise Thatcher and to see that the miners caused their own undoing.
The Leopard ...
You are a traitor to your ancestors....
my paternal grandfather voted Tory all his life.
You're a typical leftie ... just make things up to suit your truth.
BTW I got a good education and took advantage of it because I worked fookin hard to get it. And I worked fookin hard in my career.
No silver spoon, no luck, just hard work. And I admire anybody who does well through hard work.
You are a traitor to your ancestors....
my paternal grandfather voted Tory all his life.
You're a typical leftie ... just make things up to suit your truth.
BTW I got a good education and took advantage of it because I worked fookin hard to get it. And I worked fookin hard in my career.
No silver spoon, no luck, just hard work. And I admire anybody who does well through hard work.
So your maternal Grandfather didn't vote Tory
....the other guy was badly informed..
Your education was at the expense of everyone else.
....the other guy was badly informed..
Your education was at the expense of everyone else.
The majority of miners would have been voting Labour as they looked after the interests of the working class
Why would your paternal grandfather vote for the Tories ?
Why would your paternal grandfather vote for the Tories ?
The leopard
Don't know how my maternal grandfather voted.
My education was paid for by the taxpayer, like all other state educated kids ... and my dad paid PAYE. At 11 I just went to school, like all other state educated kids. My parents wanted me to have the best education I could have, like all other parents, I imagine want for their children.
Where do you get your ideas from?
Don't know how my maternal grandfather voted.
My education was paid for by the taxpayer, like all other state educated kids ... and my dad paid PAYE. At 11 I just went to school, like all other state educated kids. My parents wanted me to have the best education I could have, like all other parents, I imagine want for their children.
Where do you get your ideas from?
The leopard,
I only know he voted Tory because my dad told me he did. Don't know how my dad voted but I would guess Tory.
My dad told me his dad (my grandad) voted Tory because he thought they had the best brains to run the country.
In my experience he was spot on.
I only know he voted Tory because my dad told me he did. Don't know how my dad voted but I would guess Tory.
My dad told me his dad (my grandad) voted Tory because he thought they had the best brains to run the country.
In my experience he was spot on.
Why would you not know what your dad voted...he never expressed any opinions ?
No, as I said I think he probably voted Tory but never discussed politics with him, maybe an odd comment, that's all.
All I know is that he thought Labour politicians were generally unprincipled ... but we never discussed stuff.
e.g. Barbara Castle and her "NHS" treatment ... I remember him saying he thought she was a hypocrite.
But then aren't most of them, labour, liberal and tory?
All I know is that he thought Labour politicians were generally unprincipled ... but we never discussed stuff.
e.g. Barbara Castle and her "NHS" treatment ... I remember him saying he thought she was a hypocrite.
But then aren't most of them, labour, liberal and tory?
Barbara Castle and her "NHS" treatment ... I remember him saying he thought she was a hypocrite.
Why ?
Why ?
From memory ... in the 60's she was health minister and had to have hospital stay.
Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients.
memory of the episode is a bit hazy but my dad wasn't impresses I recall.
Bit like your Diane Abbott privately educating her kids. Labour do hypocrisy well, imo.
Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients.
memory of the episode is a bit hazy but my dad wasn't impresses I recall.
Bit like your Diane Abbott privately educating her kids. Labour do hypocrisy well, imo.
Had a bit of a look and I cannot find any mention of it, maybe you confused something when listening to your father.
From memory ... in the 60's she was health minister and had to have hospital stay.
Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients.
From memory ... in the 60's she was health minister and had to have hospital stay.
Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients.
She made have had a separate room for security reasons
Feb 11, 2017 -- 7:38PM, The Leopard wrote:
She made have had a separate room for security reasons
*may
Feb 11, 2017 -- 7:46PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:
Burning a picture of The Queen.....SAD TIMES
Link ?
Yeah im sure the Miners voted en masse for tories and the moon is made of cheddar cheese
Thatcher actually encouraged the miners strike of 1984 because she saw it has a chance to defeat he Miners who were just by chance the most powerful union , she and her gang knew that toshe push threw her frre market trickle down agenda she had to damage the unions, so she assembled the whole mass of the state , the police , army , judiciary , the filthy right wing press to starve the miners then created 35 years of misery for the British People
....while keeping that monster as her private secretary.
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