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Cruel student expelled by Tories for burning £20 to taunt homeless man
Cruel student expelled by Tories for burning £20 to taunt homeless man
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It's a good job for Labour there seems to be a media freeze on the Lib Dems
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Anxious,
it's not about 1 man (Nutall), it's about a movement that's no longer relevant in the 21st century. We no longer dig coal or build ships or make cars or make steel (generally). We're no longer in the past. Socialism has gone. Even the Chinese and Russians embrace free enterprise. Vote UKIP, you know it's the future ... thousands upon thousands of your comrades are and will on 23rd Feb. You see if I'm right. |
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No way Mememe I will never do that , democratic socialism is not dead it will never die.
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I'm afraid we're watching it die.
BTW, both my grandfathers were miners and died early because of mining related disease (pneumoconiosis). My father vowed my brother and I would never have to go and work down the pit (we grew up in a Yorkshire mining village). I passed my 11+, Grammar School, excellent state education, became accountant, then mgt consultant. Earned big bucks (but worked fookin hard). Now middle class, as are my 2 daughters and their families. That's why I'm a great fan of Margaret Thatcher and I fookin hate Arthur Scargill. Socialism is dying on its feet. |
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Mememe Thatcher starved the Miners into submission she did not defeat them even though she used the police , the army , the judiciary, the filthy lying right win press to try to weaken them . The Miners only crime was defending their jobs , families and communities from her economic vandalism
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I have this argument with a woman I know who is a staunch socialist.
People are partisan and buy into ideology based on what they think should be the ideal, but both socialism and capitalism fails, not because either is fundamentally flawed but because they are implemented by humans. Socialism wont come back, the reason it wont is because people dont want to kill the dream of taking out more than they put in, or have their 'wings clipped' in limiting the amount of things they can attain. Humans are fundamentally selfish creatures by and large, this is a continuation of the survival gene where nobody knows how much is enough....except as anxious rightly pointed out, a culture has infested the populations of consumerist nations where opportunism is acceptable and the consequences ignored because growth is required to pay pensions and inflation etc. |
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Good points dusty. Motivation is the key. You've got to be motivated to build, discover, develop and progress and all of those require selfishness. That's human nature. Far left socialism destroys motivation in favour of an unobtainable ideology.
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It also leads to massive corruption as we have seen in eastern Europe and elsewhere
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Chile - Pinochet - corruption
Italy - Berlesconi - corruption Isreal - Netanyahu- corruption |
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Currently only Estonia from Eastern Europe ranks better than Chile and Israel according to Transparency International. It's endemic in their culture thanks to years of communist rule.
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Mememe Thatcher starved the Miners into submission she did not defeat them even though she used the police , the army , the judiciary, the filthy lying right win press to try to weaken them . The Miners only crime was defending their jobs , families and communities from her economic vandalism Arthur Scargill was the man who screwed the miners, not Thatcher. |
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Indeed he was, mememe. I grew up around mining areas, they were encouraged to be a greedy lot and it went to far. I don't know any of em that left without a payoff for some kind of prescribed industrial injury. They are currently opening new centres around Selby so that miners can lodge claims now the mines are closed. Vibrating white finger ffs, try that if you dig roads for a living.
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Lions led by a donkey.
But the left don't see it and blame Thatcher for devastating the industry and the mining areas. South Yorkshire was my birthplace ... mining village near Doncaster. When I go back there (rarely thank fook) I see only squalor. Well done Arthur, hell of a revolution, wasn't it? But I bet you're doing ok. |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806872/Former-NUM-leader-Arthur-Scargill-investigated-purchasing-2million-property-half-value.html
SEEMS HE'S DOING OK |
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Come on Clyde
If it's in the Daily Mail it can't be true. All lefties know that, don't they. Only the Guardian prints the truth. All other UK newspapers are owned by the right wing, aren't they? |
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Come on how can Arthur Scargill be a lefty when he voted and campaigned for Brexit
 He was on your side you Brexiters |
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Mememe, both my grandfathers were also miners and they both died young of pneumoconiosis aswell.
Margaret Thatcher broke the miners strike illegally as will be shown in the investigation into Orgreve . You are a traitor to your ancestors. You received a better education at the expense of the other 90% excluded from the Grammar school. Thatcher had a PPS, Peter Morrison, who was a known paedophile, known to MI5, who would have told her, and she did not sack him, disgraceful ! Think again, there is time to change ! Wiki : In October 2016, a former Merseyside Police officer who was present at Orgreave told BBC journalist Dan Johnson that at a briefing before the confrontation senior South Yorkshire Police officers were "anticipating trouble and in some ways relishing it and looking forward to it." He said that the police support units had been given "a licence to do what we wanted" and were ordered to charge "a largely peaceful crowd." Of the violence that followed, he said: "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was just seeing police officers attack people. These were people on the ground and even if they weren't doing anything – just walking away – police officers had their batons and they were just hitting people."[76][77] The campaign for an inquiry gained more coverage following revelations about corruption in South Yorkshire Police during the Hillsborough disaster.[78] Wakefield Metropolitan District Council became the first council in Britain to fly the flag of the Campaign in June 2016, whilst other councils in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire were considering the same action.[78] |
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Wiki :
David Hart, a right-wing political activist and adviser to Margaret Thatcher, MacGregor and the NCB, claimed that Orgreave was "a set-up by us". He said in a 1993 interview, "The coke was of no interest whatsoever. We didn't need it. It was a battle ground of our choosing on grounds of our choosing. I don't think that Scargill believes that even today. The fact is that it was a set-up and it worked brilliantly."[87] Following his comments, senior managers from the NCB denied these claims and threatened Hart with disassociation.[87] John Alderson, in Principled Policing: Protecting the Public with Integrity (1998), wrote that if MacGregor and Hart's claims were true, the "conspiracy to draw the miners into mass pickets and predictable violent conflict between the police and themselves" constituted a "deceit... tantamount to incitement" |
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It is possible to despise Thatcher and to see that the miners caused their own undoing.
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The Leopard ...
You are a traitor to your ancestors.... my paternal grandfather voted Tory all his life. You're a typical leftie ... just make things up to suit your truth. BTW I got a good education and took advantage of it because I worked fookin hard to get it. And I worked fookin hard in my career. No silver spoon, no luck, just hard work. And I admire anybody who does well through hard work. |
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So your maternal Grandfather didn't vote Tory
....the other guy was badly informed.. Your education was at the expense of everyone else. |
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The majority of miners would have been voting Labour as they looked after the interests of the working class
Why would your paternal grandfather vote for the Tories ? |
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The leopard
Don't know how my maternal grandfather voted. My education was paid for by the taxpayer, like all other state educated kids ... and my dad paid PAYE. At 11 I just went to school, like all other state educated kids. My parents wanted me to have the best education I could have, like all other parents, I imagine want for their children. Where do you get your ideas from? |
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The leopard,
I only know he voted Tory because my dad told me he did. Don't know how my dad voted but I would guess Tory. My dad told me his dad (my grandad) voted Tory because he thought they had the best brains to run the country. In my experience he was spot on. |
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Marx
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Why would you not know what your dad voted...he never expressed any opinions ?
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No, as I said I think he probably voted Tory but never discussed politics with him, maybe an odd comment, that's all.
All I know is that he thought Labour politicians were generally unprincipled ... but we never discussed stuff. e.g. Barbara Castle and her "NHS" treatment ... I remember him saying he thought she was a hypocrite. But then aren't most of them, labour, liberal and tory? |
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Barbara Castle and her "NHS" treatment ... I remember him saying he thought she was a hypocrite.
Why ? |
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From memory ... in the 60's she was health minister and had to have hospital stay.
Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients. memory of the episode is a bit hazy but my dad wasn't impresses I recall. Bit like your Diane Abbott privately educating her kids. Labour do hypocrisy well, imo. |
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Had a bit of a look and I cannot find any mention of it, maybe you confused something when listening to your father.
From memory ... in the 60's she was health minister and had to have hospital stay. Got special treatment and private room in NHS hospital that we plebs wouldn't have got. In those days NHS had private room for private patients. |
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She made have had a separate room for security reasons
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But knowing her she would not have accepted one
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Burning a picture of The Queen.....
SAD TIMES |
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Yeah im sure the Miners voted en masse for tories and the moon is made of cheddar cheese
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Thatcher actually encouraged the miners strike of 1984 because she saw it has a chance to defeat he Miners who were just by chance the most powerful union , she and her gang knew that toshe push threw her frre market trickle down agenda she had to damage the unions, so she assembled the whole mass of the state , the police , army , judiciary , the filthy right wing press to starve the miners then created 35 years of misery for the British People
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....while keeping that monster as her private secretary.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Morrison |