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What is going on peeps in Corridors on Trolleys waiting up to 6 hours plus to be seen , no Beds on Wards .What can be done to sort this out .
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I am sick of the NHS asking for more money
What they need to do is stop wasting money
How on earth did they get tied in to long term contracts that sees every hospital paying £28 for a pack of printer paper that costs £3.99 in a shop?
What they need to do is stop wasting money
How on earth did they get tied in to long term contracts that sees every hospital paying £28 for a pack of printer paper that costs £3.99 in a shop?
Simples..stop health tourism and get the hell out of Europe...and quickly
Get rid or the tory government who are starving it of funding in an attempt to destroy something they have never believed because it doesn't make a profit
Get rid of the Tory government and replace them with whom exactly?...and please don't say Corbyns mob because as i am sure you will agree ..they are totally unelectable
has teresa got a health policy ?
nhs means nhs sounds quite catchy !
nhs means nhs sounds quite catchy !
anxious - it was Blair who instigated and then Brown who introduced the PFI contracts that are crippling the NHS
Basically syphoning off public money into their mate's coffers
Labour - the party of the working man??? they are having a laugh
Basically syphoning off public money into their mate's coffers
Labour - the party of the working man??? they are having a laugh
It was the Tories original idea in the early 90s to start with the PFI and that Blair and Brown carried on this policy which was wrong , but in the last 6 years the social care budget has been slashed by about 5 billion by the tories who try to blame anybody and everybody for their abject failure
The Private cowboys pirates have plunged the NHS and took millions out ,
Indeed, Balfour Beatty have taken a 42 million pound short term cash profit from Wakefield hospitals.That would provide a few nurses.
Simple fix for NHS ...
1. Take everybody in every NHS building into their respective car parks:
2. Ask every NHS worker when they last touched or were close to a patient:
3. Send all those people back in to carry on working unhindered:
4. The rest, ask them to write down what they do every week and for each activity how long they do it for (and FFS don't let them back into the building);
5. Ask them to name the beneficiaries of each activity;
6. Ask beneficiaries about the value they are receiving;
7. Make a simple judgement and fire the w@nkers who are sucking the NHS dry by not adding any value.
The above is an abridged version of how industry gets rid of waste (well it was when I advised companies how to cut costs).
Always works ... gets at least 30% cost out.
1. Take everybody in every NHS building into their respective car parks:
2. Ask every NHS worker when they last touched or were close to a patient:
3. Send all those people back in to carry on working unhindered:
4. The rest, ask them to write down what they do every week and for each activity how long they do it for (and FFS don't let them back into the building);
5. Ask them to name the beneficiaries of each activity;
6. Ask beneficiaries about the value they are receiving;
7. Make a simple judgement and fire the w@nkers who are sucking the NHS dry by not adding any value.
The above is an abridged version of how industry gets rid of waste (well it was when I advised companies how to cut costs).
Always works ... gets at least 30% cost out.
anxious
I'm agnostic when it comes to politics but favour compassionate conservatism, if anything.
Tell me honestly, did you think Gordon Brown allowed the banking sector to get away with murder and almost ruin this country?
I'm agnostic when it comes to politics but favour compassionate conservatism, if anything.
Tell me honestly, did you think Gordon Brown allowed the banking sector to get away with murder and almost ruin this country?
Gordon Brown made some mistakes yes but he wasn't responsible for the world wide crash in 2008 , if the tories had have been in power they would have de-regulated the banking sector even more so , regarding your support for compassionate conservatism didn't that die out with Jim Prior, Francis Pym and Ted Heath
yes, I think it probably did.
I'm hoping T May may help to restore it, but jury's out for me. She says the right sort of things (but then they all do, left and right).
I'm hoping T May may help to restore it, but jury's out for me. She says the right sort of things (but then they all do, left and right).
Try and create as many issues as possible, then -
'Isn't it such a bad service. We will have to change it for the better. I know. Let's charge people for it.'
Privatise through the back door so to speak.
It isn't just the tories and lab goons but the total and utter empire building tiers of management getting in the way of looking after sick people.
I refer you to mememe's post above.
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'Isn't it such a bad service. We will have to change it for the better. I know. Let's charge people for it.'
Privatise through the back door so to speak.
It isn't just the tories and lab goons but the total and utter empire building tiers of management getting in the way of looking after sick people.
I refer you to mememe's post above.
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thanks not allowed ...
I can't believe that nobody wants to fix it, but everybody just wants to throw money at it. It's not money the NHS needs.
It's madness. Just fix the fooking problem, Mr Hunt. I'll help.
I can't believe that nobody wants to fix it, but everybody just wants to throw money at it. It's not money the NHS needs.
It's madness. Just fix the fooking problem, Mr Hunt. I'll help.
and there is no pressure from the 5 million extra foreigners either working or skivving in this country
just like housing - we are told no pressure!!!
all the new houses to come - half will go to immigrants
it is the same pressure on the nhs as well
then they say we can't do without immigrants - who will run the nhs?
so who cut all the nurse and doctor training coz it is cheaper to get third world employees instead
who on here said years ago
'I told you so'
i know i know i know it is racist to say so
just like housing - we are told no pressure!!!
all the new houses to come - half will go to immigrants
it is the same pressure on the nhs as well
then they say we can't do without immigrants - who will run the nhs?
so who cut all the nurse and doctor training coz it is cheaper to get third world employees instead
who on here said years ago
'I told you so'
i know i know i know it is racist to say so
Im sorry but if you take 5 billion out of the social care budget since 2010 which the tories have done its going to be an awful lot worse than before , why do the tories and their cheerleaders never accept responsibility for their failure of duty of care
It's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. ie, it is FREE always at the point of delivery and no questions asked. No responsibility placed on the patient whatsoever.
What happens when something is free. People inevitably take the p!ss and overuse it even when they don't need it. Take plastic bags in supermarkets for example. Might seem a daft comparison but the change in mindset is the same. When they introduced an affordable nominal charge of 5p everyone stopped to think if they really needed them. Result > change of behaviour that let to a 95% drop in usage. If that example doesn't work with you, then look what happened in Cyprus when they recently introduced a €20 fee for A&E and GP appointments. Result > an 80% drop in hospital admissions.
Not saying we should go that far, but I think a nominal charge of say £2 for every non-emergency hospital or GP visit would cut hundreds of thousands of needless visits, cut out many of the time wasters and malingerers, and free up much needed time and resources for those that really need them. Considering that most visits cost hundreds or thousands in medical staff, medicines, equipment, man hours etc, I don't think a couple of quid is unreasonable. Of course, this will never happen because politicians can't see past the ludicrous position they've set in stone that it should always be free without question to anyone at any time.
Furthermore, and with a view to the longer term, another big failure of the system is that we never ever ever blame the patient. Half my family have worked in the NHS in medical, clinical care or nursing for decades. Nowadays in particular, about 2/3's of the people they see are there because their ailments are down to their lifestyle choices. By far and away the biggest contributing factor to most problems is down to alcohol, but also due to poor diet, no exercise, and a frankly lifelong cavalier attitude towards their own health. But because it's always free, they don't think they need to take any responsibility for their own health because someone else will pick up the tab. But the symptoms are the result of long term neglect. Eg, bad back brought on by overweight and not enough muscle mass in the legs to support the weight above.
There are also massive cultural problems to address that didn't exist a generation ago, but would be political suicide for any MP to address. Eg, within nursing, they offer privately refer to ALS which is Asian Lady Syndrome. Basically means a lifetime of doing no exercise because it's just not in their culture to do anything other than stay at home and raise the family, leads to terrible health problems in their 50's and 60's. How the hell do you address something like that?
What we really need long term is a cultural revolution that places far more emphasis on looking after your own health. The simplest way to do that would be to start at the beginning and make physical education a much bigger part of the curriculum (eg, 1 hour a day minimum). That would need to be combined with making more publicly funded sporting and activity facilities available for kids and adults. Subsidised swimming for example. Go to Australia and there are tons of 50m public pools where you'd struggle to pay more than 50p. Here in the UK it costs about £4.50 to use the council leisure centre pool; and about twice that for 40 mins on the squash court. The government also needs to be tougher on the food industry; better healthier meals for children, restrictions on sugar (not penalising the consumer with taxes which is stupid).
So many things that the government could do that would help in the long term, but political decisions need results within a four year cycle, so the easiest thing to do is chuck more money at it, then boast you are investing record amounts in the NHS. Please elect us again. Jesus H Christ.
What happens when something is free. People inevitably take the p!ss and overuse it even when they don't need it. Take plastic bags in supermarkets for example. Might seem a daft comparison but the change in mindset is the same. When they introduced an affordable nominal charge of 5p everyone stopped to think if they really needed them. Result > change of behaviour that let to a 95% drop in usage. If that example doesn't work with you, then look what happened in Cyprus when they recently introduced a €20 fee for A&E and GP appointments. Result > an 80% drop in hospital admissions.
Not saying we should go that far, but I think a nominal charge of say £2 for every non-emergency hospital or GP visit would cut hundreds of thousands of needless visits, cut out many of the time wasters and malingerers, and free up much needed time and resources for those that really need them. Considering that most visits cost hundreds or thousands in medical staff, medicines, equipment, man hours etc, I don't think a couple of quid is unreasonable. Of course, this will never happen because politicians can't see past the ludicrous position they've set in stone that it should always be free without question to anyone at any time.
Furthermore, and with a view to the longer term, another big failure of the system is that we never ever ever blame the patient. Half my family have worked in the NHS in medical, clinical care or nursing for decades. Nowadays in particular, about 2/3's of the people they see are there because their ailments are down to their lifestyle choices. By far and away the biggest contributing factor to most problems is down to alcohol, but also due to poor diet, no exercise, and a frankly lifelong cavalier attitude towards their own health. But because it's always free, they don't think they need to take any responsibility for their own health because someone else will pick up the tab. But the symptoms are the result of long term neglect. Eg, bad back brought on by overweight and not enough muscle mass in the legs to support the weight above.
There are also massive cultural problems to address that didn't exist a generation ago, but would be political suicide for any MP to address. Eg, within nursing, they offer privately refer to ALS which is Asian Lady Syndrome. Basically means a lifetime of doing no exercise because it's just not in their culture to do anything other than stay at home and raise the family, leads to terrible health problems in their 50's and 60's. How the hell do you address something like that?
What we really need long term is a cultural revolution that places far more emphasis on looking after your own health. The simplest way to do that would be to start at the beginning and make physical education a much bigger part of the curriculum (eg, 1 hour a day minimum). That would need to be combined with making more publicly funded sporting and activity facilities available for kids and adults. Subsidised swimming for example. Go to Australia and there are tons of 50m public pools where you'd struggle to pay more than 50p. Here in the UK it costs about £4.50 to use the council leisure centre pool; and about twice that for 40 mins on the squash court. The government also needs to be tougher on the food industry; better healthier meals for children, restrictions on sugar (not penalising the consumer with taxes which is stupid).
So many things that the government could do that would help in the long term, but political decisions need results within a four year cycle, so the easiest thing to do is chuck more money at it, then boast you are investing record amounts in the NHS. Please elect us again. Jesus H Christ.
All this arguing about foreigners using the NHS for free, immigrants, tories cutting benefits etc is only one part of a problem imo re the NHS. Important but secondary.
No, the NHS wants fooking sorting out and the wasters "employed" need sacking.
It's not a shortage of cash that's the problem ... IT'S NOT A SHORTAGE OF CASH - IT'S PEOPLE GETTING PAID IN THE NHS AND NEVER GOING NEAR A PATIENT.
SACK THE SPONGERS UNLESS THEY HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR NOT BEING NEAR PATIENTS. FFS IT'S SIMPLE. I'LL DO IT.
No, the NHS wants fooking sorting out and the wasters "employed" need sacking.
It's not a shortage of cash that's the problem ... IT'S NOT A SHORTAGE OF CASH - IT'S PEOPLE GETTING PAID IN THE NHS AND NEVER GOING NEAR A PATIENT.
SACK THE SPONGERS UNLESS THEY HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR NOT BEING NEAR PATIENTS. FFS IT'S SIMPLE. I'LL DO IT.
Danno you make some good points but the fact remains that Britain has fewer doctors , nurses , medical equipment and Hospital beds than most of the Western world , also the current crisis in social care affects mainly older people and many with mental illness and learning difficulties im not sure walking about and eating salads would cure these conditions, this is a direct consequence of reduced government spending in these areas, I do agree that prevention is better than cure and that a comprehensive examination of the system is needed.
Last hospital I was in is full of empty space? Seems to be designed for joggers. long corridors that leads to wards which are broken down to rooms that hold 4 patients?
when I was a kid, I spent three weeks in a ward? thirty beds with a nurse always among us at a table. Now they have a nurse station which is separate.
It has tall vaulted ceilings? that gathers dust?
I had an idea for a modular hospital - one where you can dismantle the rooms spray them clean or dip them in antibacterial liquid. You could remove one room and replace it with a clean one within a day. Maybe hours? One that wouldn't foster germs.
when I was a kid, I spent three weeks in a ward? thirty beds with a nurse always among us at a table. Now they have a nurse station which is separate.
It has tall vaulted ceilings? that gathers dust?
I had an idea for a modular hospital - one where you can dismantle the rooms spray them clean or dip them in antibacterial liquid. You could remove one room and replace it with a clean one within a day. Maybe hours? One that wouldn't foster germs.
Please ...stop calling it the NHS ! (National Health Service) it's not!
It's the WHS ...World Health Service !..and that's why it's in trouble !
It's simple ..if you get sick in the Middle East, Asia etc ...it's much cheaper to buy an Airline ticket for £ 500 than pay
£ 20,000 for an operation!
And the numpties that have been running our Country for decades let it happen.
How phucking simple would it be ...when these immigrants ("health tourists") arrive in the UK to ask at immigration - show us your "Health Insurance Certificate" ?
No Health Insurance ...ya can't come in !
SIMPLE INNIT !
It's the WHS ...World Health Service !..and that's why it's in trouble !
It's simple ..if you get sick in the Middle East, Asia etc ...it's much cheaper to buy an Airline ticket for £ 500 than pay
£ 20,000 for an operation!
And the numpties that have been running our Country for decades let it happen.
How phucking simple would it be ...when these immigrants ("health tourists") arrive in the UK to ask at immigration - show us your "Health Insurance Certificate" ?
No Health Insurance ...ya can't come in !
SIMPLE INNIT !
Rockinron
we don't do simple when it comes to the "N"HS... see my post a few down.
Too many vested interests keeping it like it is. Unions (lovely jobs for doing fook all), pharma companies (lovely premium prices for medicines), doctors (lovely overtime), service providers (lovely contract with loads'a profits).
The answer ... well it's underfunded so let's keep throwing money at it!
we don't do simple when it comes to the "N"HS... see my post a few down.
Too many vested interests keeping it like it is. Unions (lovely jobs for doing fook all), pharma companies (lovely premium prices for medicines), doctors (lovely overtime), service providers (lovely contract with loads'a profits).
The answer ... well it's underfunded so let's keep throwing money at it!
just who set up this private joint funding - both lots!!
who slashed nurse and doc training - both lots
they have never spoken for or done things for the people.
all Labour ever did was flood the place with the people likely to vote for them
that is where the rot started and the tory lot have continued it
who slashed nurse and doc training - both lots
they have never spoken for or done things for the people.
all Labour ever did was flood the place with the people likely to vote for them
that is where the rot started and the tory lot have continued it
Not allowed you know your history , you know it was Socialism that built the NHS and that the tories have never believed in it because their is very little profit in it.
anxious,
yes post war labour govt did some good things, but Tony Blair, Gordon Brown ... you should be ashamed to be in the same party as these 2.
Tony Blair warmongerer millionaire - didn't he do well!! and how many deaths is he in part responsible for? Gordon Brown ... well then yes Mr Banker, you do what you want then. Taxpayer will pick up the tab if it goes belly up. Mr No more boom and bust my ar$e - worst chancellor ever?
Aren't they culpable for anything in your eyes?
And just saying the tories are as bad or started it or whatever doesn't wash with me. Not a lot between them but at least the tories don't pretend to care. (unless you're gullible and believe them - I'm not).
yes post war labour govt did some good things, but Tony Blair, Gordon Brown ... you should be ashamed to be in the same party as these 2.
Tony Blair warmongerer millionaire - didn't he do well!! and how many deaths is he in part responsible for? Gordon Brown ... well then yes Mr Banker, you do what you want then. Taxpayer will pick up the tab if it goes belly up. Mr No more boom and bust my ar$e - worst chancellor ever?
Aren't they culpable for anything in your eyes?
And just saying the tories are as bad or started it or whatever doesn't wash with me. Not a lot between them but at least the tories don't pretend to care. (unless you're gullible and believe them - I'm not).
Mememe I had no time for Blair and what happened over Iraq it was disgraceful and Labour have made mistakes especially over immigration and the banks , but are you seriously suggesting that he 2008 crash was browns fault when it was world wide recession caused by the housing market , greed of the financial system etc, but you lambast Labour but fail to mention the sins of Thatcher and her cronies, selling oof north sea oil to pay for 4 million unemployed, destroying british manufacturing and throwing people on the dole , privatising the utilities which have robbed the people blind for the last 30 years all aided by the filthy right wing press headed by Lucifer himself Rupert Murdoch.
anxious,
you don't seem to get that they're both as bad as each other. They lie and cheat and betray their principles at the drop of a hat.
I just like conservatives better because they pretend less.
And I'm a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher - she wasn't perfect but she led. Went odd at the end though!
Gordon Brown has no excuse ... he said no more boom and bust ... he let UK banks run rings round him and he helped them to steal taxpayer's money. The 2008 crash isn't an excuse - he should have let the banks go bust imo. FFS he's supposed to be a socialist and he propped them up!!
I think the difference between us is that I'm a realist and you're an idealist.
you don't seem to get that they're both as bad as each other. They lie and cheat and betray their principles at the drop of a hat.
I just like conservatives better because they pretend less.
And I'm a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher - she wasn't perfect but she led. Went odd at the end though!
Gordon Brown has no excuse ... he said no more boom and bust ... he let UK banks run rings round him and he helped them to steal taxpayer's money. The 2008 crash isn't an excuse - he should have let the banks go bust imo. FFS he's supposed to be a socialist and he propped them up!!
I think the difference between us is that I'm a realist and you're an idealist.
we need missiles not bandages.
killing is more important than helping little girls with head injuries.
more money for tin submarines and skyships with pineapple bombs to drop on
guys in tents in the sands o Khurdastan? you know it makes sense.
Sing out - kill em all - kill em all - the long, the short and the tall.
killing is more important than helping little girls with head injuries.
more money for tin submarines and skyships with pineapple bombs to drop on
guys in tents in the sands o Khurdastan? you know it makes sense.
Sing out - kill em all - kill em all - the long, the short and the tall.
mememe...
NHS ...wherever you look...Doctors,Nurses etc excluded - just total incompetance !
NHS ...wherever you look...Doctors,Nurses etc excluded - just total incompetance !
How on earth did they get tied in to long term contracts that sees every hospital paying £28 for a pack of printer paper that costs £3.99 in a shop?
Probably a Few large Brown Envelopes Involved H .
Probably a Few large Brown Envelopes Involved H .
then look what happened in Cyprus when they recently introduced a €20 fee for A&E and GP appointments. Result > an 80% drop in hospital admissions.
so poor people in Cyprus are having their health put at a risk because they can't afford to be seen too? if they were being admitted to hopsital, they were being dmitted for a reason.
so poor people in Cyprus are having their health put at a risk because they can't afford to be seen too? if they were being admitted to hopsital, they were being dmitted for a reason.
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