Brexit is a once in a lifetime opportunity

And the EU doesn't?

And tell me, how many clean audit reports has the EU had?

Clue: it's a very small number.

That's why I voted out.  I abhor corruption and I wanted no part of it.

Broken record stuff again.E.U. to charge 40 billion to leave keep on eye on this you might learn something..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/01/article-50-debate-vote-bill-pmqs-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-ivan-rogers-to-give-evidence-to-mps-about-why-he-quit-as-uks-ambassador-to-eu-politics-live

We'll just have to see won't we

At least you agree it was a once in a lifetime opportunity

I was just repeating the balderdash said by several leave M.P.'s they would say that wouldn't they lest they be proved wrong.
The problem with all of this is nobody is accountable if it results in drastic economic failure and the standing of the U.K.
reduced to that of a non entity Country then the people who caused it won't pay the price the whole Country will have to and
that is simply stupid.

Breedingmad    01 Feb 17 10:41 
Broken record stuff again



Pots and kettles.

Saddo I think you deflect and attack stuff is a bit tedious you have nothing to say so clear off you boring old...

Why will we be third world???

Because we will be considerably poorer industry will leave finance will leave and we won't be able to
pay our debts much like third world countries.

If is never a bad thing for any country if industry and finance moves .

there is nothing, and nobody that can't be replaced.

The crooked banks will leave.

Great vote out then.

It can be a good thing for a country to rebuild from nothing .

other countries have done it, such as Germany after the war,  how beautiful that sort of freedom can be

if everything leaves and there is nothing, then you can rebuild .
can too many things leave ? not really.

This whole 'because something happens subsequently it happens consequently' argument put about by the Remainders has to stop.

It's equally plausible to put forward the notion that had we remained in the EU and we had an economic downturn, it would be as a result of us staying in the EU

....and equally stupid

1   Denmark   90   91   92   91   90   Europe and Central Asia   
1   New Zealand   90   88   91   91   90   Asia Pacific   
3   Finland   89   90   89   89   90   Europe and Central Asia   
4   Sweden   88   89   87   89   88   Europe and Central Asia   
5   Switzerland   86   86   86   85   86   Europe and Central Asia   
6   Norway   85   87   86   86   85   Europe and Central Asia   
7   Singapore   84   85   84   86   87   Asia Pacific   
8   Netherlands   83   87   83   83   84   Europe and Central Asia   
9   Canada   82   83   81   81   84   Americas   
10   Germany   81   81   79   78   79   Europe and Central Asia   
10   Luxembourg   81   81   82   80   80   Europe and Central Asia   
10   United Kingdom   81   81   78   76   74   Europe and Central Asia   
13   Australia   79   79   80   81   85   Asia Pacific   
14   Iceland   78   79   79   78   82   Europe and Central Asia   
15   Belgium   77   77   76   75   75   Europe and Central Asia   
15   Hong Kong   77   75   74   75   77   Asia Pacific   
17   Austria   75   76   72   69   69   Europe and Central Asia   
18   United States   74   76   74   73   73   Americas   
19   Ireland   73   75   74   72   69   Europe and Central Asia   
20   Japan   72   75   76   74   74   Asia Pacific   

Corruption Perception Index (Transparency International)

Selected others

60   Italy   47   44   43   43   42   Europe and Central Asia
64   South Africa   45   44   44   42   43   Sub Saharan Africa
79   Brazil   40   38   43   42   43   Americas   
79   China   40   37   36   40   39   Asia Pacific   
79   India   40   38   38   36   36   Asia Pacific   
131   Russia   29   29   27   28   28   Europe and Central Asia   
131   Ukraine   29   27   26   25   26   Europe and Central Asia
174   Korea (North)   12   8   8   8   8   Asia Pacific   
175   South Sudan   11   15   15   14   N/A   Sub Saharan Africa   
176   Somalia   10   8   8   8   8   Sub Saharan Africa

UK Biggest improver in the top 20

Coincides with the end of Blair and Brown

I'm staggered by the stupidity of the people in this country.  Just when we need good trade deals with the USA more than ever, along comes a petition to ban the US President.  You couldn't make it up.  The people who are likely to be least affected negatively by BREXIT voted stay and those who are likely to be worse off vote leave.

I agree Trump being President is definitely something you couldn't  make up. Nobody would have believed you.

A lot of the poorer regional areas of the UK got EU subsidies and the North of England is the area most heavily dependent on EU trade.  London meanwhile is the area blighted most by immigration, that no longer has to subsidize the poorer areas.  Plus throw in the weakening of workers rights from leaving the EU, which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor.  The increase in food prices and other essentials from a weakened pound that hits the already struggling poor, whereas the rich are protected by foreign assets and earnings.

Trump was voted in democratically.  USA isn't near the top of my list of places I'd like to live, but it's head and shoulders better than most of the countries in the world.  People need to get a grip and not be brainless sheep.

the money paid in eu subsidies to uk can still be paid from our net gain in funds
when we leave.

we already have a trade surplus with usa

trump has been clear elsewhere that he is against usa being on wrong side of trade deficits

may needs to take care, .....i'm sure she knows this




offering trump a state visit in 18 months or so may have acted as a carrot, but he is coming now
so we need to make best of it.

quite what part  charles cate, will , harry , george and charlotte will play given trumps comments about
diana and cate, and trumps seeming want to take tea with them, .....who knows

They'd be less of an uproar if Abu Bakr and Kim Jong Un were invited for tea at Buckingham Palace.

Breedingmad    01 Feb 17 11:01 
Saddo I think you deflect and attack stuff is a bit tedious you have nothing to say so clear off you boring old...




Stop screaming like a girl and grow a pair then, you repetitive dullard.

“What’s the EU ever done for us?” Zak Kelly, 21, asks me this standing next to a brand new complex of buildings and facilities that wouldn’t look out of place in Canary Wharf. It’s not Canary Wharf, though, it’s Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave.

To go there – along a new dual carriageway – and stand next to the town’s new sixth form and training college, a glass and steel architectural showpiece next to its new leisure centre, a few hundred yards away from a new train station, is to stare into the abyss of the UK’s failed Remain campaign.

Even Kelly, who has just finished a training session on a brand new football pitch, backtracks slightly after asking that question. “Well, I know … they built all this,” he says, and motions his head at the impressive facilities that are all around us. “But we put in more money than we get out, don’t we?”

We’re standing on the site of the old steelworks, a toxic industrial wasteland left rotting when the plant, once the biggest in Europe, finally closed in 2002. It’s now “The Works” – a flagship £350m regeneration project funded by the EU redevelopment fund and home to the £33.5m Coleg Gwent, where some of the 29,000 Welsh apprenticeships the European Social Fund pays for help young people learn a trade. Add in a new £30m railway line and £80m improvement to the Heads of the Valley road from other pots of EU money, and the town centre has just received £12.2m for various upgrades and improvements.

Ebbw Vale, left devastated when the steelworks closed, has had more European money poured into it than perhaps any other small town in Britain. But according to the figures Kelly heard, “we get out £7m a year from the EU and we put in £19m”. Anyway, he says, “it was time for a change”.

And change is now coming. But what it will mean for an area dependent on inward investment and with the highest unemployment in Wales – nearly 40% of people are either unemployed or not available for work – has yet to be seen. In the local fish and chip shop, Deborah Basini says that she voted Remain. “All my family did. I’m very worried about what’s going to happen to inward investment. I’m 60 – this isn’t going to affect me. It’ll be my grandchildren who are not yet born.” Her customers, however, thought differently. “There was only one word people had on their mind: immigration. They didn’t look at the facts at all.”

Are there any immigrants in Ebbw Vale? “No! Hardly any. And the ones there are are all working, all contributing. It’s just … illogical. I just don’t think people looked at the facts at all.”

It’s a town with almost no immigrants that voted to get the immigrants out. A town that has been showered with EU cash that no longer wants to be part of the EU. A town that holds some of the clues, perhaps, in understanding quite how spectacularly the Remain message failed to land. There’s a sense of injustice that is far greater than the sum of the facts, and the political landscape has fractured and split. Zak Kelly says that many of his friends, in what is Nye Bevan’s old constituency, voted Ukip.

The idea that a Tory government is going to decide to replicate the EU funding to these deprived regions is a bit far fetched imho.

yes it is far fetched, but the money would be available

And fwiw I have always been a Conservative voter, although on the left hand side.

I didn't realise until a few days ago that there is significantly greater inequality in virtually every country in the world compared to the 70s and 80s. I think that's because of globalisation and was probably unavoidable, but the EU was clearly fighting to lessen the effects of this unavoidable trend.  I didn't realise until a month ago that the North of England was so dependent on EU trade either.  I've been looking at the pros and cons of buying an investment opportunity up north and was wanting to see how BREXIT might affect the region.

Yes as a country we pay more in than we get out but most economic experts seem to think we will be worse off, which would mean less money not more.  I'm not going down that route because no one on here will have a clue and even the most eminent experts will be basing their opinions on assumptions that are unreliable estimates.  I'm not discounting the chances of the UK being better off, but I personally doubt it.

What does seem bleedingly obvious though, is that if you lived in somewhere like Ebbw Vale, you should have voted to stay.

if we are that much worse off then god help us.