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01 Feb 17
10:24
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To turn the U.K. into a Third World country and turn our backs on Europe and embrace new deals
with the rest of the World doing deals with dodgy countries with dodgy governments that don't
hold British values.
with the rest of the World doing deals with dodgy countries with dodgy governments that don't
hold British values.
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And the EU doesn't?
And tell me, how many clean audit reports has the EU had? Clue: it's a very small number. That's why I voted out. I abhor corruption and I wanted no part of it. |
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Broken record stuff again.E.U. to charge 40 billion to leave keep on eye on this you might learn something..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/01/article-50-debate-vote-bill-pmqs-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-ivan-rogers-to-give-evidence-to-mps-about-why-he-quit-as-uks-ambassador-to-eu-politics-live |
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We'll just have to see won't we
At least you agree it was a once in a lifetime opportunity |
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I was just repeating the balderdash said by several leave M.P.'s they would say that wouldn't they lest they be proved wrong.
The problem with all of this is nobody is accountable if it results in drastic economic failure and the standing of the U.K. reduced to that of a non entity Country then the people who caused it won't pay the price the whole Country will have to and that is simply stupid. |
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Breedingmad 01 Feb 17 10:41
Broken record stuff again Pots and kettles. |
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Saddo I think you deflect and attack stuff is a bit tedious you have nothing to say so clear off you boring old...
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Why will we be third world???
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Because we will be considerably poorer industry will leave finance will leave and we won't be able to
pay our debts much like third world countries. |
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If is never a bad thing for any country if industry and finance moves .
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there is nothing, and nobody that can't be replaced.
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The crooked banks will leave.
Great vote out then. |
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It can be a good thing for a country to rebuild from nothing .
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other countries have done it, such as Germany after the war, how beautiful that sort of freedom can be
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if everything leaves and there is nothing, then you can rebuild .
can too many things leave ? not really. |
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This whole 'because something happens subsequently it happens consequently' argument put about by the Remainders has to stop.
It's equally plausible to put forward the notion that had we remained in the EU and we had an economic downturn, it would be as a result of us staying in the EU ....and equally stupid |
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1 Denmark 90 91 92 91 90 Europe and Central Asia
1 New Zealand 90 88 91 91 90 Asia Pacific 3 Finland 89 90 89 89 90 Europe and Central Asia 4 Sweden 88 89 87 89 88 Europe and Central Asia 5 Switzerland 86 86 86 85 86 Europe and Central Asia 6 Norway 85 87 86 86 85 Europe and Central Asia 7 Singapore 84 85 84 86 87 Asia Pacific 8 Netherlands 83 87 83 83 84 Europe and Central Asia 9 Canada 82 83 81 81 84 Americas 10 Germany 81 81 79 78 79 Europe and Central Asia 10 Luxembourg 81 81 82 80 80 Europe and Central Asia 10 United Kingdom 81 81 78 76 74 Europe and Central Asia 13 Australia 79 79 80 81 85 Asia Pacific 14 Iceland 78 79 79 78 82 Europe and Central Asia 15 Belgium 77 77 76 75 75 Europe and Central Asia 15 Hong Kong 77 75 74 75 77 Asia Pacific 17 Austria 75 76 72 69 69 Europe and Central Asia 18 United States 74 76 74 73 73 Americas 19 Ireland 73 75 74 72 69 Europe and Central Asia 20 Japan 72 75 76 74 74 Asia Pacific Corruption Perception Index (Transparency International) |
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60 Italy 47 44 43 43 42 Europe and Central Asia 64 South Africa 45 44 44 42 43 Sub Saharan Africa 79 Brazil 40 38 43 42 43 Americas 79 China 40 37 36 40 39 Asia Pacific 79 India 40 38 38 36 36 Asia Pacific 131 Russia 29 29 27 28 28 Europe and Central Asia 131 Ukraine 29 27 26 25 26 Europe and Central Asia 174 Korea (North) 12 8 8 8 8 Asia Pacific 175 South Sudan 11 15 15 14 N/A Sub Saharan Africa 176 Somalia 10 8 8 8 8 Sub Saharan Africa |
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UK Biggest improver in the top 20
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Coincides with the end of Blair and Brown
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I'm staggered by the stupidity of the people in this country. Just when we need good trade deals with the USA more than ever, along comes a petition to ban the US President. You couldn't make it up. The people who are likely to be least affected negatively by BREXIT voted stay and those who are likely to be worse off vote leave.
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I agree Trump being President is definitely something you couldn't make up. Nobody would have believed you.
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A lot of the poorer regional areas of the UK got EU subsidies and the North of England is the area most heavily dependent on EU trade. London meanwhile is the area blighted most by immigration, that no longer has to subsidize the poorer areas. Plus throw in the weakening of workers rights from leaving the EU, which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor. The increase in food prices and other essentials from a weakened pound that hits the already struggling poor, whereas the rich are protected by foreign assets and earnings.
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Trump was voted in democratically. USA isn't near the top of my list of places I'd like to live, but it's head and shoulders better than most of the countries in the world. People need to get a grip and not be brainless sheep.
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the money paid in eu subsidies to uk can still be paid from our net gain in funds
when we leave. we already have a trade surplus with usa trump has been clear elsewhere that he is against usa being on wrong side of trade deficits may needs to take care, .....i'm sure she knows this offering trump a state visit in 18 months or so may have acted as a carrot, but he is coming now so we need to make best of it. quite what part charles cate, will , harry , george and charlotte will play given trumps comments about diana and cate, and trumps seeming want to take tea with them, .....who knows |
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They'd be less of an uproar if Abu Bakr and Kim Jong Un were invited for tea at Buckingham Palace.
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Breedingmad 01 Feb 17 11:01
Saddo I think you deflect and attack stuff is a bit tedious you have nothing to say so clear off you boring old... Stop screaming like a girl and grow a pair then, you repetitive dullard. |
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“What’s the EU ever done for us?” Zak Kelly, 21, asks me this standing next to a brand new complex of buildings and facilities that wouldn’t look out of place in Canary Wharf. It’s not Canary Wharf, though, it’s Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave.
To go there – along a new dual carriageway – and stand next to the town’s new sixth form and training college, a glass and steel architectural showpiece next to its new leisure centre, a few hundred yards away from a new train station, is to stare into the abyss of the UK’s failed Remain campaign. Even Kelly, who has just finished a training session on a brand new football pitch, backtracks slightly after asking that question. “Well, I know … they built all this,” he says, and motions his head at the impressive facilities that are all around us. “But we put in more money than we get out, don’t we?” We’re standing on the site of the old steelworks, a toxic industrial wasteland left rotting when the plant, once the biggest in Europe, finally closed in 2002. It’s now “The Works” – a flagship £350m regeneration project funded by the EU redevelopment fund and home to the £33.5m Coleg Gwent, where some of the 29,000 Welsh apprenticeships the European Social Fund pays for help young people learn a trade. Add in a new £30m railway line and £80m improvement to the Heads of the Valley road from other pots of EU money, and the town centre has just received £12.2m for various upgrades and improvements. Ebbw Vale, left devastated when the steelworks closed, has had more European money poured into it than perhaps any other small town in Britain. But according to the figures Kelly heard, “we get out £7m a year from the EU and we put in £19m”. Anyway, he says, “it was time for a change”. And change is now coming. But what it will mean for an area dependent on inward investment and with the highest unemployment in Wales – nearly 40% of people are either unemployed or not available for work – has yet to be seen. In the local fish and chip shop, Deborah Basini says that she voted Remain. “All my family did. I’m very worried about what’s going to happen to inward investment. I’m 60 – this isn’t going to affect me. It’ll be my grandchildren who are not yet born.” Her customers, however, thought differently. “There was only one word people had on their mind: immigration. They didn’t look at the facts at all.” Are there any immigrants in Ebbw Vale? “No! Hardly any. And the ones there are are all working, all contributing. It’s just … illogical. I just don’t think people looked at the facts at all.” It’s a town with almost no immigrants that voted to get the immigrants out. A town that has been showered with EU cash that no longer wants to be part of the EU. A town that holds some of the clues, perhaps, in understanding quite how spectacularly the Remain message failed to land. There’s a sense of injustice that is far greater than the sum of the facts, and the political landscape has fractured and split. Zak Kelly says that many of his friends, in what is Nye Bevan’s old constituency, voted Ukip. |
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The idea that a Tory government is going to decide to replicate the EU funding to these deprived regions is a bit far fetched imho.
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yes it is far fetched, but the money would be available
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And fwiw I have always been a Conservative voter, although on the left hand side.
I didn't realise until a few days ago that there is significantly greater inequality in virtually every country in the world compared to the 70s and 80s. I think that's because of globalisation and was probably unavoidable, but the EU was clearly fighting to lessen the effects of this unavoidable trend. I didn't realise until a month ago that the North of England was so dependent on EU trade either. I've been looking at the pros and cons of buying an investment opportunity up north and was wanting to see how BREXIT might affect the region. |
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Yes as a country we pay more in than we get out but most economic experts seem to think we will be worse off, which would mean less money not more. I'm not going down that route because no one on here will have a clue and even the most eminent experts will be basing their opinions on assumptions that are unreliable estimates. I'm not discounting the chances of the UK being better off, but I personally doubt it.
What does seem bleedingly obvious though, is that if you lived in somewhere like Ebbw Vale, you should have voted to stay. |
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if we are that much worse off then god help us.
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