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The evidence doesn't suggest that to me NBK. It was controversial and is not backed up with anything tangible.
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Fine. what does it suggest to you????
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I would not trust this sort of evidence from the Portuguese police.
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the dogs are useless, proven not to work, numerous references already on thread
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The dogs are British, and were brought in after Kate telephoned Insp. Tavares about her "dream"
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posted from from itcantbedone earlier...
The dogs didn't go there until 3 months after the disappearance. Experts have dismissed the accuracy of such evidence. John Barrett, a retired dog handler with Scotland Yard, said "that police dogs can only detect such scents up to 28 days after the event.'' Sniffer dogs are notorious for producing a high rate of false positives. And ultimately, in this case, there is no forensic evidence that backs up their findings. There is also stuff on wiki about videos suggesting the dogs were manipulated |
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You can pick wholes in the dog evidence, but they do work and are not useless.
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I'm glad the dogs were British, did anyone tell them that ?
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Their mother i presume
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I'm not dismissing the dogs but it's the only evidence and it's highly questionable.
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The suggestion that the handlers manipulated the dogs is nonsense imo. Watch a Springer Spaniel sniffing luggage for contraband and you will see a busy dog constantly trying to move along to the next bag but being regularly called back by the handler to move around to the other side of the bag. This isn`t manipulation, it`s thoroughness.
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is it possible for dogs to pick up evidence, and yet there be no DNA evidence ?
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The dogs don't care who weird the McCanns are, they don't care about body language or statement analysis or any of that hocus pocus, they just do their job and there is nothing to suggest this case was any different. They don't need government help, they don't have a spin doctor, they don't play the media, they don't employ the most expensive law firm that money can buy, they aren't litigious, they don't get caught fibbing and they don't try to disrupt police investigations.
The dog team provides the only strong evidence in this case of what happened and unfortunately the outcome was not a good one. Not strong enough evidence on it's own to get a conviction in a law court but a supreme court decided Amaral was not guilty of libel i.e. there was sufficient evidence to support his opinion |
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what can the dogs trace and detect if there is no DNA
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Gerry had to travel back to England to fetch something with Maddies DNA on it - all three children shared the same toothbrush. Difficult to believe no DNA in an apartment that Maddie had been in for nearly a week.
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you see the dogs don't get caught fibbing , or of trying to come to a certain conclusion, and bring under pressure to find a certain conclusion.
This is what people do. |
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The point is not that there was no DNA , how can dogs detect anything if there is no DNA ?
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There was DNA lfc, just not enough for a match.
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That's fine, so what is it that the dogs detected exactly ?
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Blood and cadaver.
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did the blood and cadaver have any DNA ?
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how was it identified, where is the evidence that it was identified ,where is the blood , where is the cadaver ?
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we have been told by police, is that so ? have we seen the evidence if the dogs finding anything ?
if this was a planned and comprehensive search was it recorded by the police ? |
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if it is evidence that the dogs have found something, and yet there is no material evidence.
then why were the dogs not filmed by the police if this in itself is material evidence ? |
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From Wiki. The car refers to the car the McCanns hired 3 weeks after the disappearance.
Eddie, the cadaver dog, gave an alert outside the McCanns' car and inside the boot (trunk). One or both dogs gave alerts at Cuddle Cat, Kate McCann's clothes and the Bible. According to the Sunday Times, it seemed apparent from a video released by the Ministério Público that the handler was directing the dogs to particular spots inside the apartment and to the McCanns' car.[n 3][114][115][116] The McCanns' lawyer said that, if there was indeed a smell of corpses on Kate's clothes, it might have been caused by her contact with the deceased as a family doctor |
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It is not evidence if there is no material evidence of the police having found anything.
failing that they might have something circumstantial caught on camera failing even circumstantial evidence being on camera then there is no evidence, none |
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Those who think they are guilty believe they came back 3 weeks later and put sheeting that was used to dispose of the body in the boot of their hire car, that they hid at the time, instead of disposing of it with the body at the time
 and used the car to drive to a destination to then dispose of the sheeting.To me if the dog gave an alert outside the hire car they hired 3 weeks after the disappearance, it throws the questionable dog evidence out the window, because the logistical assumption is bizarre. |
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the dog is not evidence but it is odd that it went all over the resort and only indicated at things related to the McCanns not other apartments, etc. perhaps some flaw in the methodology?
i can't see how two people on holiday could have disposed of the body without trace to me the couple have brought suspicion on themselves by from the very start only seeming to be interested in protecting themselves from any kind of sanctions. the search never seemed sincere - the people they hired were complete clowns most likely her fate is something like Ben Needham's |
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They cleaned the apartment top to bottom,washed the curtain and cuddle cat in the washing machine. I cant see km wanting to do any housework at home never mind on holiday.
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Clydebank - have you read up on the paedophile theory?
Part of it is, a woman overheard Gerry and another man talking at a villa a few months previously. What she heard was digusting, and she vowed never to leave children alone with these two. |
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That's always bothered me, Kate washing the 'cuddle cat'.
Something so precious and sentimental such as the toy cat would have been the last thing I could have washed remaining memories from. |
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And another thing, who amongst us does a 'deep clean' of an apartment/hotel room when we take a holiday?
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Not just memories, but also Madeleine's scent. Most parents would want to cling on to that for ever.
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That would be kate mccann. The same person who was dealing with dead bodies as a part time gp and took the same unwashed clothes she wore on holiday.
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If I'm materially wrong with the timeline here let me know.
5.30 seen having high tea 8.00 McCanns go to dinner 10.00 Allegedly realise she is missing So we have a 150 minute window max for Maddy to die, to remain relatively silent during her death or discovering her death, to hatch a plan, to dispose of the body without witnesses or CCTV, such that it is never found, and remove any sign of an accident or her death, calmly go to dinner with their friends and then successfully play out their fantasy abduction scenario. |
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for the parents to remain relatively silent, rather than get hysterical, didn't mean Maddie to remain silent.
Blackrock I've seen that but there is no further evidence to suggest that. They analysed Gerry's computer and came up with nothing. |
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Only if you dont believe the accident happened the night BEFORE like most others
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I have holidayed every year for the last 15 years near Luz and know the area well.
Luz is a very nice upmarket area, very popular with families. It is not a big place but due to it's popularity there are always people on the streets in the evening walking to/from restaurants or just promenading At that time of year, and that time of day, it would be very quiet in the evening, especially up where the complex is. |
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The 'statement analyst' (Mr Hyatt) gave a compelling case for Madeleine dying in the room. He said he was 'certain' of this.
If anything, his expressing this as a 'certainty' detracts from his case. As a professional he should rely on terms like 'strongly indicates' etc...what he is doing is not an exact science, if it was it wold be court admissible. |
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Why are they so litigious?
The effort, the money and the distraction, as well as the Streisand effect, seem to present a greater risk of distracting people from searching for Madeleine, as well as preventing them from devoting their time and money directly towards searching, than allowing a man to publish a book which one assumes innocent people would consider trivial. This case has gone way beyond any Streisand effect at this stage. The McCann's are detested by the world at large, everyone seems 'certain' they did it.....I can fully understand them being litigious against the Detective in charge, who is cynically cashing in on the case, and assuring the world they did it, despite the lack of supporting evidence for such a definitive conclusion....Hardly trivial. |