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VVD Mark Rutte 40
PvdA Lodewijk Asscher 35
SP Emile Roemer 15
CDA Sybrand van Haersma Buma 13
PVV Geert Wilders 12
that's the current seats in the netherlands.
but current opinion polls (all of them ) put the PVV well ahead on around 35 seats. the VVD down to 23 seats and the Labour party (PvdA) collapsed to 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Dutch_general_election,_2017
not enough for a majority and Wilders will struggle to find coalition partners, but he will be the leader of the biggest party by far. he wants out of the EUSSR and the eurozone. so what will happen?
i think article 50 might not matter so much as 2017 is looking more and more like the year when the curtain finally falls.
continent wide the labour movement is dead and buried.
PvdA Lodewijk Asscher 35
SP Emile Roemer 15
CDA Sybrand van Haersma Buma 13
PVV Geert Wilders 12
that's the current seats in the netherlands.
but current opinion polls (all of them ) put the PVV well ahead on around 35 seats. the VVD down to 23 seats and the Labour party (PvdA) collapsed to 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Dutch_general_election,_2017
not enough for a majority and Wilders will struggle to find coalition partners, but he will be the leader of the biggest party by far. he wants out of the EUSSR and the eurozone. so what will happen?
i think article 50 might not matter so much as 2017 is looking more and more like the year when the curtain finally falls.
continent wide the labour movement is dead and buried.
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I ask you this, were countries in the U.S.S.R free to leave?
It is hardly democratic that 30% of voters in one member state can block a policy approved by 27 member states, writes Fraser Cameron.
Fraser Cameron is a former European Commission official and Senior Adviser with Cambre Associates, a Brussels-based, integrated public relations and public affairs consultancy.
Referenda are becoming a huge problem for the EU. The latest result in the Netherlands on the Association Agreement with Ukraine is probably the worst possible outcome. If the turnout had been below 30% the Dutch government could have safely ignored the vote. But with just over 30% voting, and rejecting the Association Agreement with Ukraine by 64-36 the government will have to consult with parliament about how to proceed.
As regards passing judgement on EU policies it is hardly democratic that 30% of the voters in one member state can block a policy approved by 27 Member States. One could make a case for an EU-wide referendum on some major issue such as direct elections for the Commission President but a referendum in just one Member State on EU policies does not make sense.
Perhaps it is time for an EU ban on referenda!
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/opinion/why-we-should-ban-referenda-on-eu-policies/
no they were not free to leave the USSR. and if this former EUSSR official gets his way then countries will not be allowed to leave the EUSSR.
you support what you do not understand.
you love what you should loathe.
to them you are just a useful idiot.
Fraser Cameron is a former European Commission official and Senior Adviser with Cambre Associates, a Brussels-based, integrated public relations and public affairs consultancy.
Referenda are becoming a huge problem for the EU. The latest result in the Netherlands on the Association Agreement with Ukraine is probably the worst possible outcome. If the turnout had been below 30% the Dutch government could have safely ignored the vote. But with just over 30% voting, and rejecting the Association Agreement with Ukraine by 64-36 the government will have to consult with parliament about how to proceed.
As regards passing judgement on EU policies it is hardly democratic that 30% of the voters in one member state can block a policy approved by 27 Member States. One could make a case for an EU-wide referendum on some major issue such as direct elections for the Commission President but a referendum in just one Member State on EU policies does not make sense.
Perhaps it is time for an EU ban on referenda!
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/opinion/why-we-should-ban-referenda-on-eu-policies/
no they were not free to leave the USSR. and if this former EUSSR official gets his way then countries will not be allowed to leave the EUSSR.
you support what you do not understand.
you love what you should loathe.
to them you are just a useful idiot.
Breedingmad 16 Jan 17 11:34
I ask you this, were countries in the U.S.S.R free to leave?
Bm, no one can "freely" leave the EU. They used threats before the vote and will now make life as difficult and unpleasant as they can for us. They did the same to Greece, and the common currency forced them to stay in. Two questions, do you regard that as real freedom, and are you happy to have these EU bullies as friends and partners?
I ask you this, were countries in the U.S.S.R free to leave?
Bm, no one can "freely" leave the EU. They used threats before the vote and will now make life as difficult and unpleasant as they can for us. They did the same to Greece, and the common currency forced them to stay in. Two questions, do you regard that as real freedom, and are you happy to have these EU bullies as friends and partners?
Tell me which Countries in the E.U are not free to have a referendum and leave the E.U.?
tell me which countries are having an in out referendum as we just have?
tell me which countries are allowed such a referendum?
there is clearly strong support in many countries but strangely no referenda.
why not just have a vote in every country?
you know very well why. they fear that ballot box.
we had to fight tooth and nail for our referendum and Cameron never intended on holding it. he thought he was been smart by saying we could have a referendum IF the tories won a majority in 2015. this is something he, every pundit and every opinion poll predicted would not happen. another coalition seemed certain. then he won. then he was hoisted by his own petard.
and now
WE ARE LEAVING THE BUILDING
tell me which countries are allowed such a referendum?
there is clearly strong support in many countries but strangely no referenda.
why not just have a vote in every country?
you know very well why. they fear that ballot box.
we had to fight tooth and nail for our referendum and Cameron never intended on holding it. he thought he was been smart by saying we could have a referendum IF the tories won a majority in 2015. this is something he, every pundit and every opinion poll predicted would not happen. another coalition seemed certain. then he won. then he was hoisted by his own petard.
and now
WE ARE LEAVING THE BUILDING
Brexit is like this clip we have the gun pointing at ourselves..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5I
Referendums violate the principal of Parliamentary Sovereignty.
Breedingmad 16 Jan 17 12:06
Oddly we just have
Usual idiotic retort when asked a fair question.
Oddly we just have
Usual idiotic retort when asked a fair question.
Question answered Countries weren't allowed to leave the U.S.S.R they are free to leave the E.U..therefore calling the E.U.
the E.U.S.S.R is an incorrect analogy.
the E.U.S.S.R is an incorrect analogy.
If we are so "free" to leave, why are you so terrified of the harm they intend to heap on us?
You can leave after they have given you a kicking, some freedom that is.
You can leave after they have given you a kicking, some freedom that is.
you don't answer any questions. you can't. the fact you think the rest of us don't see that is hysterical. you have not responded to anything from the 12:14 post. you won't because you can't.
and the 14 questions below you have been running away from for over a week now
run forest run
1. why is the president of the EUSSR not elected directly by it's 505 million citizens?
2. why does no mechanism exist to remove this person from post?
3. why was he drunk at work? is it because he knows he cannot be removed?
4. if your EUSSR is so good then why is youth unemployment at 50% in greece?
5. why is greece nothing more than a protectorate?
6. why is the situation not much better in spain and portugal?
7. why have the books never been signed off?
8. what is the extent of fraud been carried out every day given no auditing takes place?
9. why are there 15,000 lobbyists permenantly based in brussels?
10. do you think these people pay bribes to EUSSR staff?
11. According to the Commissioner for Enterprise, Gunther Verheugen, the benefits of the single market are worth around 180 billion euros a year, while the cost of complying with Brussels rules is 600 billion euros. In other words, by its own admission, the EU costs more than it's worth. what would you say to that?
12. why did EUSSR officials interfere in ukraine causing war?
13. why do MEP's still SISO?
14. why is the EUSSR parliament the only one in the world that cannot actually propose legislation?
and the 14 questions below you have been running away from for over a week now
run forest run
1. why is the president of the EUSSR not elected directly by it's 505 million citizens?
2. why does no mechanism exist to remove this person from post?
3. why was he drunk at work? is it because he knows he cannot be removed?
4. if your EUSSR is so good then why is youth unemployment at 50% in greece?
5. why is greece nothing more than a protectorate?
6. why is the situation not much better in spain and portugal?
7. why have the books never been signed off?
8. what is the extent of fraud been carried out every day given no auditing takes place?
9. why are there 15,000 lobbyists permenantly based in brussels?
10. do you think these people pay bribes to EUSSR staff?
11. According to the Commissioner for Enterprise, Gunther Verheugen, the benefits of the single market are worth around 180 billion euros a year, while the cost of complying with Brussels rules is 600 billion euros. In other words, by its own admission, the EU costs more than it's worth. what would you say to that?
12. why did EUSSR officials interfere in ukraine causing war?
13. why do MEP's still SISO?
14. why is the EUSSR parliament the only one in the world that cannot actually propose legislation?
It's pointless answering any of your questions as you have already made your mind up you dislike
other Europeans living and working in your Country you dislike Bureaucrats in Brussels you dislike
Social Democracy You dislike anything not British.
other Europeans living and working in your Country you dislike Bureaucrats in Brussels you dislike
Social Democracy You dislike anything not British.
It's pointless answering any of your questions as you have already made your mind
i don't suppose you would like to answer them for anyone elses benefit, would you?
nope. thought not.
you dislike
other Europeans living and working in your Country
nope. just the usual smearing from your sort. it's either outright racist or hint at it. well i am afraid to have to tell you that nobody listens to the cry wolf BS anymore.
you dislike Bureaucrats in Brussels
correct. useless and corrupt and they do not have the interests of the people of europe at heart - they have PC and brown envelopes at heart.
you dislike
Social Democracy You dislike anything not British.
more smearing cry wolf lies. same old same old.
i don't suppose you would like to answer them for anyone elses benefit, would you?
nope. thought not.
you dislike
other Europeans living and working in your Country
nope. just the usual smearing from your sort. it's either outright racist or hint at it. well i am afraid to have to tell you that nobody listens to the cry wolf BS anymore.
you dislike Bureaucrats in Brussels
correct. useless and corrupt and they do not have the interests of the people of europe at heart - they have PC and brown envelopes at heart.
you dislike
Social Democracy You dislike anything not British.
more smearing cry wolf lies. same old same old.
He can't run he's got a rusty spring up his arris.
Bounce Forrest bounce.
Bounce Forrest bounce.
its a true sign of very limited intelligence when he cannot even answer.
beyond pathetic and embarrassing.
beyond pathetic and embarrassing.
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