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The two countries I have been to with the nicest people were both Islamic countries.
The two countries I have been to with the nicest people were both Islamic countries.
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But as I am aware we are not at war with the Muslims, unless they consider themselves at war with us?
If bombing three countries doesn't make you at war with someone, then how do you define war? Its amazing that we think we are not at war despite sending whole military units to other countries but we think there is an enemy that wants to wipe us off the earth when all that enemy manages is isolated truck rammings or sword attacks :D |
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De traveller seems disappointed that they cannot wreak more havoc than some " isolated truck rammings or sword attacks "
The mind that calls the slaughter of over 80 people a truck ramming is troubled. The fact is a islam is at war with the West,their Imams keep telling us. |
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Western Countries have no business in the middle east.
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What is it about one simple fact that so confuses lefties?
The West is not trying to rule the world, conquering every country, and subjugating the people with a `convert or be beheaded` mission. Islam is. |
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scandanavian_haven • January 6, 2017 12:23 PM GMT
Western Countries have no business in the middle east. I agree with that. I would make an exception for ISIS that is all. If we had not interfered in the first place, ISIS would not exist, so they need cleaning up that is all. After that we leave them alone and maintain strict neutrality between Israel and the Arab World. |
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We all agree that `leave them alone` would be a great policy. What if, however, they will not leave us alone? How and why can you not grasp this?
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Firstly Islam is at war with itself.
Will the true face of Islam please stand up? Is it Shia, Sunni, Ahmaddi, Sufi..Nobody really knows. Secondly the West inexplicably used 9/11 as an excuse to finish Papa Bush's business in Iraq, invade Afghan and then remove Gadaffi. Most probably driven by oil and a long term perceived threat from Iran (look on a map at who's the meat in the Iraq/Afghan sarnie). Did the West callously disregard the lives of thousands of Muslims? Yes. Would they have been so callous if the victims were white Europeans? No. You don't have to be a violent preaching Imam or a raging conspiracy theorist to be a little angry with Western aggression.. |
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Who is denying that? I am just saying we have poked our noses in places we shouldn't have. And we are just seeing the reactions of that. I just don't understand the people who blame it on a book.
What is the explanation for letting a million of the same people in when we are agreed on the fact that they all want to kill us? Why is it so dificult for people to understand that our govts have tried everything they can to make sure the 'enemy' is alive and kicking and yet there are people here who believe its all because of the book. Why have the turkish muslims living in Germany since 50 years never tried to follow the book? Why have we never seen them beheading german people? Why is it that only those people from a certain region do the beheadings? And they weren't even there before we invaded the region! |
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There are people here who believe that an afghan, Iraqi and a libyan will need inspiration from a book to hate the west! Amazing.
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detraveller 06 Jan 17 13:35
I just don't understand Enough said |
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The Hadith teaches martydom in a Jihad against the unbelievers as a prefered choice. Mohammed called for it. He wants his followers to 'go to where death is most likely'.
The fact that most Muslims ignore him is of no consolation. For western govts to invite followers of Mohammed to live among them is beyond stupid. |
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Both detraveller! You know wasps sting so why upset them and then let them nest in your house?
I would argue that it's a little too trite to suggest Muslims want revenge. Some do, others want to follow Mohammed all the way to an Islamic domination of the world regardless of what other countries have done to them. We've no doubt given them a leg up. Revenge is a powerful motive indeed. But when we look at other wars, The Japs got on with rebuilding their nation and the Vietnamese prefer the Americans to the French! What stands out with the 'refugees' coming to Europe is that a large number appear utterly ungrateful, even to Germany who had little or nothing to do with Iraq etc! Some cultures are better than others. Ours was worth preserving... |
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Sahih Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.
Sahih Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." As the Ayatollah Khomeini put it, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah." |
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what a tremendous success W.Germany and Japan made of building a new countries after WW2.
Of course that was when they were being told what to do by America. Nevertheless they build very beautiful countries and the people of Japan and Germany deserve great credit for that. |
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Germany and Japan were both countries who were bombed because of their aggression. They had the poeple to reach that stage where they could dominate and threaten others(however negative or bad that is), Afg, Iraq and Libya did not threaten us. Afg was invaded because some saudi arabian guys did 9/11. Iraq was invaded because they had weapons that were never found. Libya was invaded for God knows what. Its hard for countries to rebuild when they have been destroyed for no reason, especially when they weren't well off and capable of progress at the first place. The arabs have all the wealth in the world yet they haven't done anything useful with it. We cannot expect them to progress after we've bombed them into an outright civil war.
We could spend a fraction of the amount we spend on wars to defend ourselves against any aggressor. But that does not make the weapons manufacturers rich and that my friend is the bottomline. They need the enemy to be closer to home so they can justify the spendings they do to bomb the enemy thousands of miles away. |
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well all those countries have missed out on the chance to build a peaceful country, perhaps they should learn to listen and not run around like lunatics ?
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that would be a start in the right direction, it worked in Germany and Japan so it's not as if they don't have good models to follow
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timbuctooth • January 6, 2017 1:26 PM GMT
We all agree that `leave them alone` would be a great policy. What if, however, they will not leave us alone? How and why can you not grasp this? They did leave us alone, until we started interfering in their countries. Middle Eastern countries were never a threat to the West. They do not or never had any weapons to threaten us with. However since we insisted in interfering we now have a serious Terrorist threat, from the Moslems we have allowed into our own society. I think Western governments are morons. |
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Western governments also seriously lack any integrity, far too many lies.
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we are to kind, if that is the way we can expect them to behave they shouldn't be allowed in Europe.
who would deny that ? |
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Perhaps they are running to Russia to live now ? I don't know
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they keep running west, and even to America. very strange
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ebulGery 06 Jan 17 14:39
They did leave us alone, until we started interfering in their countries. Middle Eastern countries were never a threat to the West. You`re right about one thing, in general, at least; Middle Eastern countries aren`t threatening us, but certain elements within islam are, and it just so happens that many of those elements are in control of those Middle Eastern countries! Other than that, well up to our usual standards of blinkeredness |
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^^^not `our usual standards`, but `your usual standards`
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The war in Iraq was madness.
The West should just arm and finance Israel and let them look after the region. One thing the Israelis know they keep getting attacked but manage to repel and defeat their attackers but the day they lose is the day they will all be slaughtered. That concentrates the mind and makes them good soldiers. |
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The West should just arm and finance Israel
what? that's not what happens already? |
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It is but I mean give them extra funding and more arms.
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Israel unites the Middle East - the one country ALL the others hate
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