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Bangladesh and Indonesia (Sumatra, a moderate area). The worst people were in Saudi Arabia, also Moslem. Just saying like, that is out of a total of 55 countries.
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Don't be silly, Rob. Chit Cat cannot possibly process that sort of nuanced, enlightened thinking.
Much easier to lump them all together and extrapolate the very worst of fundamentalist practice across the entire religion. Why bother differentiating when it so much easier just to hate them all? I mean, every English man is a rabid football hooligan, bent on destruction, right? |
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Do football hooligans follow a book which tells them that all non football hooligans should be converted or killed? I think not, they are also banned from moving around Europe during competitions in case they cause trouble a sensible idea.
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Quality, Saddo!
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You miss the point. The point being all Englishmen are not football hooligans and should not be thought of in this manner.
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In passing Rob, I trust you noticed Ireland putting 40 points past the All Blacks and beating them by 11, before going on to put Australia to the sword. All on top of beating the Boks in Cape Town earlier on in the year with just 14 men.
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n as Samad an atheist blogger was hacked to death in Dhaka in April
At least 4 assailants hacked his head with a machete As he fell he was shot and died on the scene He had been critical of Islam In a recent attack Christian Hossan Ali was hacked to death by Islamic militants They threw a cocktail bomb at him and attacked him with sharp weapons He left Islam and his pressured and persecuted him He was denied wages as a government worker |
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Idiots like oozy and rob miss the point. They are similar to the British leftists who visited Russia in the 30s and came back to report how wonderful it was
At a time when Stalin was pursuing his rein of terror and millions were being imprisoned and tortured and killed |
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Islamic Fudamentalist Militants are scum, lfc, there is no getting away from that fact. I would love to see them wiped out.
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To wipe them out you have to root them out, that requires help from moderates, it never seems to come.
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`Militants`?
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I am not left either, lfc. As far as I recall, the Tory party advocated 'Remain' for example, as did most business people and employers. And yet, Remainers are demeaned on here as 'lefties'
 . Then again I suppose everyone is to Left of the the Far or Alt-Right. Some of us Right wingers are increasingly embarrassed by those on our side of the spectrum. And if you yourself are a Right Winger, were do you stand on benefits? You would want them reduced, right? |
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* most of the Tory party!
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`Reduced`? No, of course not! Should be stopped altogether
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well I would ask what is it that embarrasses you about those on the right. In England in particular.
in England there is no right wing party in power or anyway near power for the last 50 years at least |
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Benefits, lfc?
I think you are confusing 'Right' with 'Far Right' btw. |
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Ozzy, I think remainers are viewed as being pro unlimited immigration, that was a big part of what they voted for.
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It is immoral to have benefits and mass immigration. I agree with benefits under certain guidelines, also there can be no tax when there is mass immigration
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'Viewed' being the operative word. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to be pro unlimited immigration.
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Anyone who thinks the tories are right wing doesn`t understand politics, life, or human nature. The fact that this is even under discussion shows how terrifingly leftie pc boll0x the UK is.
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ok, lfc, to drill down into the issue, putting this issue of immigration to one side for a moment, for qualified English born people, do you think, in general, their benefits should be curbed or not?
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The Tories are clearly right of centre.
Maggie would turn in her grave if she was accused of being a 'leftie'. |
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benefits are not an issue with me, I think under the right system they can be s good thing. It is a question of balance like everything else
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Benefits and the system we have in Britain now will destroy this country
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So therefore, lfc you are (far) right wing on certain issues, whilst left leaning on other issues, such as public spending.
But hey, go ahead throwing simplistic inaccurate pigeon-hole labels like 'leftie' around in a derrogatory fashion if it makes you feel good. |
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Ozymandius 05 Jan 17 10:06
'Viewed' being the operative word. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to be pro unlimited immigration. Corbyn and his acolytes certainly are. A remain vote was for things to stay the same, including immigration. |
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Maggie was somewhere around what, on a global and historical scale, would be considered one or two degrees to the right. All other tory leaders in my lifetime have been to the left of centre, regadless of what they called themselves, or where they were positioned in relation to Labour.
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yes of course, it's a label but a very particular one. poverty does not worry me. I love the condition in which I live and am keen to preserve it, that's all
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Benefits and the system we have in Britain now will destroy this country
No, the Tory Government and the elite fish they swim with will destroy this Country. |
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Saddo, even the Remainers recognise immmigration needs to be curbed, it was a big part of what Cameron was trying to achieve pre-referendum (I believe he secured a 4 year exclusion rule on benefits of EU migrants).
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Timbuctooth, I would suggest your view of the political spectrum is your personal view, dictated to by your own vantage point on the spectrum, as opposed to the conventional, broadly recognised one.
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Ozy, the EU showed Cameron that curbing it was not possible, and would not allow him to deny benefits to immigrants from Europe, which is what the Germans themselves have just done. If they'd helped Cameron we would still be in. We have no control over our own borders and benefit system.
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Corbyn and the leftists will not stop immigration, not in England or Germany or Europe.
They will be prepared to do anything to allow it to continue That is the only thing that the eu are concerned about maintains in the coming negotiations Forget about trade and security and everything else This is what they will try to maintain |
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It is the British benefit claimants who deserve a little sympathy imo. Because so many want to come and take advantage of our system, the system has to be made less kind to everyone.
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Ozymandius, I would suggest your view of the political spectrum is your personal view, dictated to by your own vantage point on the spectrum, as opposed to the conventional, broadly recognised one that has been in force for the last generation or so in the UK, leaving you brainwashed and blinded to what a load of boll0x it all is. Not your fault, really, but an open mind tends to help in such matters.
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Saddo, you are right, what he secured had several brake clause provisions, 7 year period application limitations etc, as I recall. Far from perfect.
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They will not admit it but they must lose sleep wishing they hadn't humiliated him(and us) ozy.
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I disgree, Timbuctooth, for the purposes and ease of discussion we need a standardised sense of and broad agreement on what basic terms mean.
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Indeed, saddo.
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timbuctooth is spot on.
How can anybody call the Tories right-wing when they support so many socialist policies? The differences between the two main parties in these areas is only a matter of degrees. And since Labour removed clause 4 from their aims and objectives how can they be regarded as anything other than a centralist party? Both parties now occupy the centre ground of politics which is mainly socialistic in nature. |