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The two countries I have been to with the nicest people were both Islamic countries.
The two countries I have been to with the nicest people were both Islamic countries.
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The working class traditional Labour voters have been historically 'right wing' on the issue of immigration.
Corbyn and his ilk are the ones that have moved away from their core vote. That core vote has remained consistent and is now looking for an alternative representation because Labour is in denial. |
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There was a Guy on newsnight saying Social Democracy was dead...Yes the Tory's nicked Labours policies
like the minimum wage,but they have also stolen U.K.I.P policies how else would they get into power they are a party of Kleptomaniacs. |
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Never been easier to get in power here. Managed immigration is the only policy required.
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The main parties are indeed grouped around the centre ground and have been for decades. It has been politically expedient to be there.
Personally I cannot categorise the current Tory party as socialistic in nature. Right wing, for me, frm a fiscal pov, broadly means a preference for market forces over government intervention, lower taxes, reduced regulation, reduced public spending when possible. |
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Ozymandius 05 Jan 17 10:3
I disagree, Timbuctooth, for the purposes and ease of discussion we need a standardised sense of and broad agreement on what basic terms mean. On this, at least, we can agree, but only until we get to the point of defining the terminology! Western Europe has become so left, so conditioned to pc-thinking, so indoctrinated, that any attempt to even discuss these things from any position other than `right-on`, leads to the perennial and inevitable name calling; `racist`, `hitler`, etc. So much so, in fact, that I`d like to commend you on your failure to resort to such cheap and erroneous accusations. Most refreshing, in fact! |
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The other thing, and I am lapsing into the abstract theoretical here, is that reducing immigration, is, in essence, protectionism, for the native worker.
Whereas right wing economic ideology, is all about competition and the survival of the fittest. The reflex to build walls and thereby reduce competition for jobs, is, in many ways, socialist in nature. Right, enough hot air from me for one day. |
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I think Timbuctooth, perhaps we need two spectrums, one for fiscal policy, another for Political Correctness. The relentless rise of PCism can blurr the fact that, for example, the Tories remain significantly right of centre in a fiscal sense.
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and for me, having lived and worked there and not just gone on holiday, Americans are the nicest and kindest of people that I have met.
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Yes,the Americans love the Brits but if you were Mexican maybe you wouldn't receive the same welcome..
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The other thing, and I am lapsing into the abstract theoretical here, is that reducing immigration, is, in essence, protectionism, for the native worker.
Whereas right wing economic ideology, is all about competition and the survival of the fittest. The reflex to build walls and thereby reduce competition for jobs, is, in many ways, socialist in nature. Right, enough hot air from me for one day. Perhaps, in light of this, the Alt-Right should be renamed National Socialism..has this label ever been used before???...  ...sorry Timbuctooth! |
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I think you are right about immigration control being a `protectionist` policy, and therefore leftwing. The irony, of course, is that today`s bete noir for the left, Trump, is advocating a number of such policies, but purely because he does so in non-pc terms, he`s deemed the most extreme right-winger ever to have dared to gain power.
I do think, however, that this `protectionism` is, from a government`s point of view, a job-creating, idea; for the public, though, it`s far more of a not altogether unnatural`cultural` aversion. |
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Yes Ozy, i used the 'right wing' term for protectionism as the native worker to highlight how the liberals have it wrong.
They would suggest Brexiteers hold 'right wing' leanings for wanting to end free movement. Yet historically as you allude to it is an absolute socialist ideology. However i would not agree that wanting a visa/permit threshold is akin to building walls. |
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Yes, good point about the natural cultural aversion.
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Getting more and more like some sort of pre -Nazi Germany idea testing.. how do we stop immigrants
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Care to elaborate further Breeding mad?
Take your time. |
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I'm off out to get my prescription back later ...
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we know the Germans were lovely people, some of them ? many of them ?, most of them ?
but they lived under an evil system. they were like puppets but they could walk and talk. |
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in England we can do what we want. if we look around it is nice to be apart from the rest of the world
who would deny that ? |
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I went to turkey once and I have to say it was not the place for me, and would prefer if it didn't come to England.
I went to Poland also once, very boring. |
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My boss in work asked me to go to turkey once and I said I thought I was more suited to Poland.
I heard him say later "that mr smith is useless ! " :) |
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that's not my name but he was talking about me, I noticed he never went to turkey
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I'm off out to get my prescription back later ...
Any side effects? |
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Aye, delusions.
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Big pharma keeping liberalism alive saddo?
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Not sure he's such a liberal zen, he's said many time that we need incomers paying tax to pay our (his) pensions, Ponzi style. The fact that many come here and take more out than they put in, seems to have escaped him.
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It seems his whole ideology is shot with contradictions saddo, he doesn't know his left from right.
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Zen im glad to see your still with us , I thought you had been culled
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too many folks on this rock year 2040 be x 2
it like a bug clawing on green mould called land |
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Appreciate your concern anxious, just thought the political thingy had become too tedious.
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if u look deep out space with a powerful telscope all suns (stars)comes close together and ahhh maybe it a one big green mould like a compot bin foll of bugs big and small no matter it all in a bubble feeded on bubbles of moulds even comets got life and other suns have near earth like plants and feed on green moulds called land
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k zen
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Aye a few years ago governments were telling us over population was gonna be our nemesis, now it appears we need lots more people.
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if u look closer the air we breath is full of bubbles no matter how small or big lol
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and u find millions triiion of bugs in small so think what about large and it there
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enjoy life to the full have a good year 2017
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One thing this post should tell us...that individuals do not all conform to their national stereotype.
We should judge people as we find them. Just my opinion |
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this thread rather
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Still waiting for you to elaborate to your 11:23 reply Bleeding mad
I know that i said take your time but i didn't expect you to run away. Well, ok i did expect you to run away.  |
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If we are at war, we are encouraged to hate the enemy, expected to.
The reason for that is our soldiers are expected to kill the enemy, no good getting too pally with them. But as I am aware we are not at war with the Muslims, unless they consider themselves at war with us? I think we can say we are at war with Muslim Terrorists and ISIS. I do not think protecting our borders means we at war with anybody. We can't take any more immigrants at the moment. I think countries are allowed to protect their own borders? |
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you are a Muslim - until you declare you aren't.
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