Death

Mr b- an interesting post. Statistics show that 1 in 2 people born in 1960 or later will suffer from some form of cancer in their lifetime. An unbelievable number, but a true projection. The NHS will collapse under the weight of Alzheimers within the next 2 generations if the care system does not develop sufficiently.

Mr b- an interesting post. Statistics show that 1 in 2 people born in 1960 or later will suffer from some form of cancer in their lifetime. An unbelievable number, but a true projection. The NHS will collapse under the weight of Alzheimers within the next 2 generations if the care system does not develop sufficiently.

Opps- sorry about the 2nd posting.

That's not a problem Slicer when it's fee free!!

Double the value !!

Always quality over quantity from Dr Slicer. Merci mon vieux.

Mon Plaisir. Race over so logging off (interest received on my investment). It is often very nice to have sensible discussions on here, so, many thanks. A little musical advice relevant to this discussion. Good luck and so long.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg

“I’m not afraid of death. I just don’t want to be there when it happens.”

Woody Allen.

I lost a special friend this year. Younger than me by 3 years. 4 young kids. I feel guilty that I'm here and she is not.

I would have taken her place if I had the choice due to her love for life, her charitable work and of course her children.

I was going to say I know the feeling Injera but that would be an insult. I have lost far too many close and dear to me and everybody has different reactions to losing someone special.

As for taking somebody else's place it cannot be done I'm afraid but if it could I would happily swap situations with Ms stew if it came to the crunch.

That might sound brave but more the coward me imo, not wanting to go on without her.

That's a very special love you have for your wife Stew. Treasure that, (which I'm sure you do).

I've spent the majority of my life being a miserable so and so, more "glass smashed to smithereens on the floor" than half full.

However, all of that changed a little less than five years ago when my wife fell pregnant shortly after we got married.
There are all sorts of complications that can set in and all sorts of other bad things that could have happened.

I simply refused to allow any such negative thoughts to enter my mind, instead, I consciously focused on all of the positives.

Nine months later, we were fortunate enough to have a wonderful little daughter who started school earlier this year with her little brother two years behind her.

I have managed to make this change in mindset a permanent feature.

That's not to say that I don't have relapses from time to time because I do, but my general demeanor is now to find positives from whatever situation that I find myself in with a few books having helped me along that path (I highly recommend The Chimp Paradox).

We are all getting older, we all have to deal with difficult situations and there will be more of these as we progress through our lives.

Finding a way to manage yourself and others through life's twists and turns is well worthwhile and really will make your time here much more satisfying.

We're not actually married Injera hence the Ms instead of the mrs but that's irrelevent. My love life was a series of car crashes before I met her. Part of that lies at my side due to being a punter and I enjoy a drink now and then.

Iv'e already told the story on here on how we met but I wont go through it again. I don't believe in fate I just got lucky one night by turning right instead of left when leaving a pub.

I've seen plenty in my lifetime and meeting the 'right one' must be the biggest conundrum there is in life imho.

A nice story Angoose and though it's been a long time since we conversed, (apart from today) I do believe you used to live in my city....Aberdeen?

Actually Great Western Road if I remember correctly?

I am indeed from Aberdeen and was living up near Great Western Road before I moved out to Dubai.
I haven't been on the forum for years and it's a strange but small set of independent events that have led me to here today.

Chit chat remains the interesting mix of nonsense, comedy gold and decent discussions that I remember.

Prefer not to think about death until my health is fooked, other than make a will

Personally, I think we should have the right to end our own lives.  I certainly don't want to be hanging on for dear life in a nursing home, with god knows what illness, and an utterly **** standard of life, whilst my assets are used to pay for my terminal care.  I want them to go to my kids instead, should that be the case, and I be given the opportunity legally to top myself.  I don't want to be a selfish old bastard hanging on for dear life.  Sick elderly people are living too long and taking up too many resources.

At the other end of the spectrum population growth is a huge problem.  If I was giving aid to a country like India or Bangladesh it would only be in the form of contraception.  Religion, once again, probably to blame.

When it gets to the point of having to have someone wipe your bum, that's when it's time to take yourself off to a Swiss clinic.

“It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good, but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true. That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is full of such logical imbecilities. The theologians, taking one with another, are adept logicians, but every now and then they have to resort to sophistries so obvious that their whole case takes on an air of the ridiculous. Even the most logical religion starts out with patently false assumptions. It is often argued in support of this or that one that men are so devoted to it that they are willing to die for it. That, of course, is as silly as the Santa Claus proof. Other men are just as devoted to manifestly false religions, and just as willing to die for them. Every theologian spends a large part of his time and energy trying to prove that religions for which multitudes of honest men have fought and died are false, wicked, and against God.”
― H.L. Mencken, Minority Report

I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.

Aye Angoose I think I can even remember the pub you frequented in Holburn St. The Bells is now closed as you may well know as is the Filling Station and the Albyn is in administration.

I've already calculated when and how I'm most likely to die.

The odds are on 82 of a stroke.  That's if my habit of walking into the road without looking doesn't get me first.

I was in Aberdeen for a week in August and noticed that The Bells was no more, was also very interesting to walk around and see so many new residential developments.

it's a miracle earth exits ,our  time on it ,is nothing if you look at bigger picture

looking at the world as you get older,you realise earth is a totaly unfair place

hope I cheered you all up

John Cooper Clarke - Things Are Going To Get Worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YunwdR7PnP0

I take it you prefer Dubai to here or is a question of needs must be?

I didn't expect to stay out here as long as I have but I enjoy my life here.
Got my kids in to a great school and I'm in no rush to leave, a lot of exciting opportunities here that I want to take advantage of.

The weather does get tough to deal with in the summer but that's a small price to pay.

It will be a big shock weather wise for the family if you come back here. That aside I have no idea how the lifestyle is there. I presume there's a bit of leeway if you fancy a drink?

Isn't Betfair banned in dubai along with every other gambling site, it being in an Islamic state n' all ?

Funnily enough I was going to ask the same question. Maybe Sheik Mo allows the site but prevents a bet being placed?

There is no problem to get a beer if you want to.
I, however, gave up drinking more than six years ago, that's one of the big changes I've made to my lifestyle, no regrets at all.

VPN is a wonderful thing, I installed one today that I'll need to allow access to certain study material for the MBA that I'm undertaking with Manchester Business School, another change I've chosen to make in my life.

I still drink myself but it is vastly overrated.

VPN is.

But if you are caught, you will do some serious time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RU0htOAaUg

So that all looking in will sleep soundly tonight..


“Accustom yourself to the belief that death is of no concern to us, since all good and evil lie in sensation and sensation ends with death. Therefore the true belief that death is nothing to us makes a mortal life happy, not by adding to it an infinite time, but by taking away the desire for immortality. For there is no reason why the man who is thoroughly assured that there is nothing to fear in death should find anything to fear in life. So, too, he is foolish who says that he fears death, not because it will be painful when it comes, but because the anticipation of it is painful; for that which is no burden when it is present gives pain to no purpose when it is anticipated. Death, the most dreaded of evils, is therefore of no concern to us; for while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist. It is therefore nothing either to the living or to the dead since it is not present to the living, and the dead no longer are.”
― Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus

I would like to be immortal, if I could switch it off if I wanted to.

Don't you want to know what happens in the future?


Death is no problem, it is dying which is the problem. Because we suffer physically and/or mentally.

Once we are dead nothing matters to us, because we longer exist to matter.

The best death I saw was in 'Get Carter'(The Michael Caine version, the only one I saw)

He killed all the villains, so he had achieved everything, then someone shoots him through the head.

He would not have known he was dead, and would have died at the best moment of his life.

Why would you want to be immortal Gery? It defeats it's own purpose being impossible. You want to switch off if you wanted to?

Best not think about it if it affects you so deeply.



Because we suffer physically and/or mentally.


That's true to an extent but the suffering may be the result of losing a loved one. To think otherwise is a tad selfish imo.

Losing a loved one, is not the same as our own death?

Of course we would suffer losing a loved one, but we may want to go on living, or we may not.

If we die first, we are still going to lose them.

I think everybody should have the choice, I see no point in keeping anyone alive, who does not want to be alive,

ps.
Immortality is impossible at the moment, it may not always be, our medical knowledge advances

We may need a bigger EARTH.

Or if not I would consider moving to Jupiter, if Zoopla rate it favourably.

Christ Gery that post is full of contradictions.



Losing a loved one, is not the same as our own death?

No, it is not the same.


If we die first, we are still going to lose them.


Sorry but I can't phathom that one out.



ps.
Immortality is impossible at the moment, it may not always be, our medical knowledge advances


If you believe that you really should go and see your doctor, even just to ask him his/her opinion .

Gery is one of the well known numpties on here.

Maybe a troll?

chit chat has a reputation for feeding ALL trolls who want to be fed, sadly.

I don't know crags. Maybe had a few too many. I'm up late due to taking dihydrocodeine for back pain. What's your excuse?

I'm always up late. It's when I come alive

One of the most horrible  sensations must be that of knowing that death is imminent in a short time - i.e. being in a plane that is plummeting to earth, on a craft that is about to sink at sea or in a lift cage that has broken etc.
Per contra, one sees people going calmly to execution ...(perhaps drugged ?)and people taken out to be summarily slaughtered by e.g. Taliban terrorist madmen seem to remain composed without any outward signs of mental turmoil. Is it possible that the brain 'freezes' at the enormity of the realisation of what is to befall -that though you might be in perfect health and the day might be fine and sunny -someone is going to blast you to nothingness for no discernible reason.
Death is a mystery....so many types -infant death , (freak) accident, drowning, suicide ,murder ,slow gradual decline ,painful death, peaceful death after a serene old age etc.

I remember the good old days on here crags. The banter could go on into the wee small hours with the likes of TGM (mr winkle,) TT, Sparky and many others for a good laugh. Sadly these days are gone but may return some day.

Indeed, stewarty, we must keep on fighting the good fight

This fooled a few people;

https://youtu.be/p3jUvL-7F18

I can't remember who said it on the thread Vubiant but he said he had seen quite a few dead people and they always seemed to have a smile or a content look on their face.

Haven't seen a Cagney film for a good while grags but he didn't come across as brave there. No wonder with 40,000 volts going to be stuck up his @rse.

Could have been spoofing

When you're young you think life as immortal but as you grow older you get to know more people and more people you love are born.

When people around you start dropping off and especially those younger than you it really gets you. When it's family and close friends then it really hurts. I don't think I'd want to be immortal unless my family and friends were also.

Dying scares me but I know once I'm dead that it, the same as it was before I was born. As mentioned above it's the process of dying that is the worry.

I said to my wife and kids that I hope my body is donated to medical science. I've always loved the science and would like to give something back to our species.

A nice post Ovalman.

crags  • December 29, 2016 12:39 AM GMT 

Gery is one of the well known numpties on here.

Maybe a troll?

I doubt you would have the intelligence to know crags

See, they just post utter nonsense and think they can get away with it.

I think we all do that crags

Oval Spot on As time goes by People die ,Many too soon

Those left keep going ,a strange breed we are

That's the trouble on a forum such as this, utter tools can post what they want with impunity.

But glad to see that at least one of them has been banished.

Has a poster being banned , anything to do with death Please ?

Or have you some other fckin stewpid reason for post cack once again ?

No wonder u fckin stay up late u must hide away during the day

I don't mind fishing the odd time Crags but you just troll

^^ utter morons

I know that chit chat is almost beyond repair, but there is a small hope that it can survive.

Sensible people should be able to spot the good from the rancid x

I used to post on here regularly in the good old days lads. Seems to me there is a bit of dislike here and there now. I don't take sides as it is meaningless to me.

I've had many a ruck on here myself going back 8-10 years ago but all water under the bridge eventually. I remember asking Tommy Toes on the pub thread  about a year ago why Sparky had stopped posting.

He told me that Sparky thought the place had gone downhill. Christ, it's only a forum. Live and let live I say.

This is a very deep subject to discuss stewarty b

Do any of us know how we will face death until it is staring us in the face?

It is definitely a one and only experience, that is for sure!

How profound

It might be a deep subject Gery but plenty people have shown an interest.

Don't feed the trolls!

stewarty  b

* fathom.

Thanks for correcting me Facts. Nobody else noticed. Twas good of you and more to the point, where would we be without you?

You've got to keep the mind active whilst living with insomnia stewart

tbf Facts I know a lot of people don't like you on here or horseracing but you have never given me any lip. It's not that I'm grateful just nice to converse with someone on the same level with me at times.

If you think being unpopular with some is a burden, fear not. What it really means is that you've made it to the top on any forum.

Thanks Stewart.Trust me, I will never get worried  about being unpopular on an Internet forum.

the only surprising thing about death is that everyone is not running about screaming.

Death is not a pleasant subject. It is the worst thing that there is. The saddest thing about death is that most people never live, they just exist.
In this land of milk and honey It will be the first real instinctual moment for most after being born.

You die, you turn to dust. Enjoy the journey.

the only surprising thing about death is that everyone is not running about screaming.


Like the reaction after Brexit?

"And when I do go it's a humanist funeral for me. I may be a lot of things but I'm no hypocrite."

But the funeral isn't for you? If you don't believe in any religion then when you are die you are gone. So you wont be at your funeral. Isn't the funeral for the people left behind rather than yourself? Isn't it more important for the funeral to help others come to terms with your death as best they can? Shouldn't they decide how it is and not you, after all you don't exist anymore so it can't make any difference to you.

Also if once you are gone you simply don't exist any more it doesn't matter what people think of you. It shouldn't make any difference if they do think your a hypocrite or not as you don't exist so it is of no consequence.

My sentiments entirely U.A.

My wife is a devout church-going Christian. If it helps her I don't mind if she sees fit to have her minister preside over a ceremony. Her choice entirely.
Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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"And when I do go it's a humanist funeral for me. I may be a lot of things but I'm no hypocrite."

But the funeral isn't for you? If you don't believe in any religion then when you are die you are gone. So you wont be at your funeral. Isn't the funeral for the people left behind rather than yourself? Isn't it more important for the funeral to help others come to terms with your death as best they can? Shouldn't they decide how it is and not you, after all you don't exist anymore so it can't make any difference to you.

Also if once you are gone you simply don't exist any more it doesn't matter what people think of you. It shouldn't make any difference if they do think your a hypocrite or not as you don't exist so it is of no consequence.



But the funeral isn't for you? If you don't believe in any religion then when you are die you are gone. So you wont be at your funeral. Isn't the funeral for the people left behind rather than yourself?


No, my funeral be for people left behind as it will be private with only one person if still alive present. That is my choice.



Isn't it more important for the funeral to help others come to terms with your death as best they can? Shouldn't they decide how it is and not you, after all you don't exist anymore so it can't make any difference to you.

See above.


Also if once you are gone you simply don't exist any more it doesn't matter what people think of you. It shouldn't make any difference if they do think your a hypocrite or not as you don't exist so it is of no consequence


What family I have left and my friends know my beliefs and respect them.

As for Foinavon's wive being a devout church-going Christian she has my utmost respect as everybody on this planet has a right to believe in what they want to.

Re: Christianity I only wish more people could embrace that kind of life. ie: be kind to each other, help one out if possible etc.

As for religion itself I have no time for it due to the havoc it has caused in this world and that includes the many wars that have been started in the name of religion. HTH as I don't like being judged by anybody who knows damm all about me.

No, my funeral be for people left behind as it will be private with only one person if still alive present. That is my choice.



** that should read....No, my funeral will not be for people left behind as it will be private with only one person if still alive present. That is my choice.

My local crem has em backing up waiting to get in the ovens.  Two chapels  doing about six funerals each a day. As one goes out the back the next one is coming through the front, the ovens never get time to cool down.  Makes you realise what an industrial process it is.  Takes the sentimentality out of it somewhat.

And then you can pop down to the local maternity ward and see the start of the cycle ......

i'm for it.

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My local crem has em backing up waiting to get in the ovens.  Two chapels  doing about six funerals each a day. As one goes out the back the next one is coming through the front, the ovens never get time to cool down.  Makes you realise what an industrial process it is.  Takes the sentimentality out of it somewhat.



The thing is Ron, when you go into the oven does that include the coffin? I could google I suppose but if that is the case it seems that when the relitive collects the ashes it's like being short changed thinking it's only the humans ashes that are left?

Plus those who are into recycling would prefer the body only option.

*relative

Business opportunity here perhaps?
Rentabox coffins for hire. They are only needed for a couple of days and would last decades with perhaps the occasional change of lining.

You could even have some sponsorship with a discreet Macdonalds logo on the end nearest the congregation.

2nd hand slightly scorched only one careful user.....I see a Dragons Den pitch.

There's no such thing as death.

This experience is some sort of test, a 3d arcade game with unknown rules, which I am playing until the end of the level.
Everyone else is just a character in my game. As soon as they leave my vision they cease to be. thank f*^k.

My consciousness builds and expands every day with each day's experience.
It is inconceivable that it could ever 'die'.

your body ages every day and you will be dead like the rest of us

I often wonder what those people think who say they expect to see their friends and relations on the other side.
What will the setting be ,what age will they be ,what will they be wearing and what will they be doing ?
It's utterly weird that some people harbour notions like this.
Plus - will they also encounter people they would wish not to.

I can't say as I really fear death, but I do fear the idea of dying before I've had a chance to do all the stuff I want to do.  I might not always show it, but I do quite enjoy being alive.

stewarty b    29 Dec 16 18:07 
Ron Pillock
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My local crem has em backing up waiting to get in the ovens.  Two chapels  doing about six funerals each a day. As one goes out the back the next one is coming through the front, the ovens never get time to cool down.  Makes you realise what an industrial process it is.  Takes the sentimentality out of it somewhat.



The thing is Ron, when you go into the oven does that include the coffin? I could google I suppose but if that is the case it seems that when the relitive collects the ashes it's like being short changed thinking it's only the humans ashes that are left?

Plus those who are into recycling would prefer the body only option.


More to the point.Do they empty the ashes after each cremation.  Are we sure the ashes are just of our relative, and not a mixture of half a dozen cremations.

Ashes are ashes and no longer the person who died. It's what the recipient thinks he/she is getting that matters not what it actually is, (although I don't doubt the crematorium staff do their best).

With the rise of multiculturalism, I am surprised not to see semi-burnt, decomposing carcasses on rafts floating down our inland waterways.

Crems are highly regulated. In my great experience of dealing with crems, I have never come across one run in an unsympathetic way  or like a factory (that doesn't mean they don't exist. If you are aware of one like that, favour a different one with your custom. There are plenty from which to choose. I hope this is of assistance. I am also aware of a vast increase in non religious, humanist ceremonies.

when I'm cremated,they can mix my ashes with a few others if they want

crem de la crem