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detraveller
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I keep hearing about the US election hacking but haven't yet tried to find out what exactly was hacked. Now I hear Obama has 'vowed retaliatory action' against Russia for the hacking. SO looks like it isn't just a moaning from the Hillary Camp, it might have actually happened. So my question is, what did the russians hack?

Did they hack the voting machines and added Trump vtes, or converted Hillary votes to Trump?

Or is the hack referring to DNC leaks and the implication is that those leaks resulted in Hillary losing?

Sorry for sounding ignorant, but all the knowledge I had of the campaign was that hillary was free money.
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Report curious-cat • December 16, 2016 3:41 AM GMT
Russian President Vladimir Putin supervised his intelligence agencies' hacking of the U.S. presidential election and turned it from a general attempt to discredit American democracy to an effort to help Donald Trump, three U.S. officials said on Thursday.

U.S. intelligence agencies' conclusion that Russia tried to influence the election by hacking people and institutions, including Democratic Party bodies, has angered President-elect Trump, who says he won the Nov. 8 vote fairly. Russian officials have denied accusations of interference in the U.S. election.

Separately, a senior White House official said on Thursday that Putin was likely to have been aware of the cyber attacks but he fell short of accusing the Russian president.

"I don't think things happen in the Russian government of this consequence without Vladimir Putin knowing about it," Ben Rhodes, the White House's deputy national security adviser, told MSNBC. "When you're talking about a significant cyber intrusion like this, we're talking about the highest levels of government."

The U.S. officials - who have knowledge of intelligence information on the matter - said on the condition of anonymity that the hacking of U.S. political groups and figures had a more general focus at first.

"This began merely as an effort to show that American democracy is no more credible than Putin's version is," one of the officials said.

"It gradually evolved from that to publicizing (Hillary) Clinton's shortcomings and ignoring the products of hacking Republican institutions, which the Russians also did," the official said.

By the fall, the official said, it became an effort to help Trump's campaign because "Putin believed he would be much friendlier to Russia, especially on the matter of economic sanctions" than Democratic rival Clinton.

Democratic President Barack Obama said in an interview with National Public Radio that the United States will take action against Russia.

"I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action and we will," he said according to excerpts of the Thursday interview released by NPR.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cyber-idUSKBN1441RS
Report timbuctooth • December 16, 2016 6:17 AM GMT
^^^ All utter boll0x, I`m afraid.

Note, there is no `official` accreditation; it` all `a source`, which the Clintonistas are jumping upon, and repeating often, hoping that it will somehow become true. It`s not, and it won`t. I repeat; there has been NO official statement confirming or refuting any such claims. What has been happening is that some younger, lefter-leaning members of the CIA have been seeding these stories, while every older and more responsible CIA agent is saying `there`s no proof ANYONE was hacked`.

There may well have been hacking, but it`s just as likely to have been a spotty geek in his Mum`s spare room as to have been the Russians. All of the e-mail leaking during the campaign were released by Wikileaks; head honcho, Julian Assange, has declared very publicly that the Russians were NOT his source. The most likely story, one that fits the facts (but not the bleating of losers), is that it was an inside job, with one of Clinton`s team being responsible. All very simple and straightforward, but this is the fourth attempt at undermining the result, following on from, risible attempts at recounts in which Trump GAINED votes, blaming FBI boss James Comey, and now trying to pressurise members of the Electoral College into going against the will and demands of the voters from their states, by actually choosing to elect someone other than Trump when they gather to do the `official` bit, next week.

In summary, that article is a perfect example of the spin, deflection and insider-dealings which the American public so joyously rebelled against last month, with not a word of hard, official fact to be found  in it. Never mind that, eh, comrades!


detraveller; to answer your points in order

We don`t KNOW if anything was hacked, or whether it was leaked. Big difference.
Obama`s announcement is nothing but hypocritical grandstanding, as it turns out he `knew` about this `Russian hacking` 18 months ago, and chose to do NOTHING!!! Seems they were so confident of a Clinton victory, they weren`t in the slightest concerned about any possible hacking. Which, of course, is a fantastic example of what a terribly weak and ineffective President Obama has been.

Zero evidence, or even claims, that the actual voting was being in any way `altered`. Pre-election comcerns were aired, as the company that supplies the electronic booths is part-owned by one of Clinton`s biggest supporters, George Soros.

There were leaks from a number of Democratic staffers, but the  majority of them were from Clinton`s Campaign Manager, John Podesta`s account. Numerous other little episodes revealing all sorts of shenanigans, from the accounts of maybe half a dozen other people, including some DNCers.


`...and the implication is that those leaks resulted in Hillary losing?`...`

Well, yes, but this is their FOURTH different attempt to undo the unthinkable, so we`d normally call it `straw clutching`.
Report mobo • December 16, 2016 5:14 PM GMT
wots obomber going to do to russia - he is a little devil isn't he!!!
Report mememe • December 16, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
As king donald said ...

This is the same CIA that contended that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

That's all there is to be said, really.

No evidence, but somebody said he had WMDs.

No evidence, but somebody said the Russians hacked accounts and influenced the election.
Report onlooker • December 16, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
Looks like Bad Losers - same as the Brexit Remainers.

Both still in denial.
Report mobo • December 16, 2016 6:17 PM GMT
Remember  -   CHILE , Bay of Pigs(cuba) Dominican republic, Panama  - Just saying
Report mobo • December 16, 2016 6:19 PM GMT
The arms industry and vested interests in the military are petrified trumpton might shake hands with putin

it could devastate the industry!!!
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