Didn't the MM say it would take "Months, if not years" to relieve Aleppo?

It seems the west has screwed up. Where next?  Backed the wrong horse again.  Not that this has ended.

Don't press the button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BANG!!!!   Too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ceasefire reached. Evacuation begins tomorrow. Not mentioned if any DAESH left hanging from trees or locked in cages with a 100 ft hosepipe poking in..

I understand that the US are going to cut back on arms to the Saudis - what a wonderful opportunity for our exports!!!

Aleppo now chip paper. It's all Yemen now on sky news.

I love boris and the rest bleating on about assad and allepo as british supplied cluster bombs rain down on Yemen.

Please remember the Saudis have a right to defend themselves! (as long as it's with US/UK-made arms)

Thank you very much for that correction. I humbly apologize.  The threat from Yemen is great.

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  5h5 hours ago
The UN is pushing fake news. Globalists upset "moderate" jihadist rebels have lost.

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  8h8 hours ago
Paul Joseph Watson Retweeted Lizzie Phelan
These Syrians look really annoyed that Russia & the Syrian Army liberated them from "moderate rebels" & ISIS.

https://twitter.com/LizziePhelan/status/808421380286980096

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  8h8 hours ago
Russia is TERRIBLE.

RUSSIA

-Protects its own culture
-Refuses to import millions of migrants
-Refuses to bow to radical Islam
-Kicks ISIS ass
-Encourages its population to have children
-Looks out for economic interests of its population
-Rejects unipolar globalism
-Wants to work with leaders of other world powers, not go to war with them

Yep, having anything to do with Russia is TERRIBLE!

I totally agree with you Ron.

Russia is not the Soviet Union of Joe Stalin!

Putin will not let Russia be kicked about, he is a good leader, he does not want war.

they have negotiated a deal for civilians and 'MODERATE' rebels  - moderate????

Here’s why there are no “moderate rebels” in Aleppo or anywhere else in Syria


The primary purpose of this constant shifting of names and labels is – to give the impression that there are moderate groups in Syria fighting the Syrian government when in fact there are none.

The above was taken from a piece wrote back in August

just as 'Muslims like us'  they are just cuddly caring people

There is not a lot of cuddles or caring going on in Aleppo at the moment

The obvious problem is the Government are Shias, the rebels are Sunnis.

But we need peace for the sake of humanity there are some terrible things going out there.

Neither do Muslim refugees need to come and live with us, which nobody wants.

I am hoping for some ideas from Trump here.

They've kicked off again

was watching news last night and they were talking about the slaughter of maybe 50,000 now sky wetting their knickers because 6 off assadsmen may have been killed by the rebels, dont believe a word of any of it,even after the battle has finished we still cant decide which side we should be on

Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:01PM, Ron-Russian wrote:

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  8h8 hours agoRussia is TERRIBLE.RUSSIA-Protects its own culture-Refuses to import millions of migrants-Refuses to bow to radical Islam-Kicks ISIS ass-Encourages its population to have children-Looks out for economic interests of its population-Rejects unipolar globalism-Wants to work with leaders of other world powers, not go to war with themYep, having anything to do with Russia is TERRIBLE!

- invaded two european countries in the last decade and keeps areas of those countries occupied
- wants you to live in authoritarian regimes with heavy discrimination of minorities

they are now implying the government forces are not complying with the cease fire

apparently no one contacted the syrian forces or the iranian militia - so there wasn't even an agreement

turkey and russia were involved in some sort of deal but not some of the forces on the ground

what I don't like is the unbalanced reporting (most of it comes from western media who are not anywhere near aleppo)

of course both sides will be pushing their propaganda  but it is so one sided from the west

for instance - what happened to the 250,000 facing catastrophe - there was a lot of scaremongering going on

there have been a lot of innocents killed but nothing like the figures being guessed at by the western press who are

safe in turkey

- is actively backing authoritarian parties and think tanks in our countries to throw us into disarray and weaken us

and take away our freedoms

- wants you to live in authoritarian regimes with heavy discrimination of minorities

and where every remotely serious opposition is killed or jailed and the right to protest is not quite guaranteed I should add

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  12m12 minutes ago
The mainstream (fake news) media's source for Assad-led mass atrocities in Aleppo is literally 'someone told us'.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/808997582508847106

While PJW's source is usually a plain and simple "I made that up"

Not a fan i take it edy!

Tis like a Singapore jungle on ere...

you are being fed news by western journos in turkey etc who are NOT in aleppo or anywhere near it

the stuff coming out of aleppo is mainly supporters of terrorist groups

there may be one or two genuine messages though

a lot of civilians are also being, or have been, forced to stay there by terrorist groups

this may now have declined after daesh ran away
but you still have bin laden's affiliates there don't forget

anyway - it is nothing like the 250 k spewed out by media sources who were not even there !!!

of course the US overthrew the Iraq tyrant and dictator with great speed and very few casualties, but they didn't get any thanks for that, quite the opposite the people reacted in mindless savagery.
This is the problem Syria has, if Assad was removed would they in turn be intent on murdering each other or setting up some other even more barbaric regime.
Or would they thank America and behave like sensible human beings ?
I suppose any things possible.

You blame a country for invisible weapons, invade them, destroy their infrastructure and demand thanks? WOW. You sir are an idiot of the hghest order.

And now the Syrians are supposed to thank America! A good start to my day but you really need to get your brain checked up.

Then again some might say that countries like Iraq and Syria need a dictator to keep them under control. Is that so? I don't know, what a strange world it is.

no I said the Iraqis should have said thankyou to America, of course America are wary of setting foot in Syria, so its difficult.
a start would be if the Syrian people asked America for help and then said they would promise to do what America told them they should do
no one likes to be thankful

You still need your brain checked. Seriously how do you expect people to thank an army that invaded them based on a lie, and tortured and imprisoned their people, if they weren't already killed.

Should i ask you to thank the refugees for bringing their culture and religion to Europe?

no, not at all in Iraq America managed to overthrow a murderous dictator, with very few casualties or damage to infrastructure. The reaction, mindless violence and killing and destruction across the country that has gone on for years even now.
not good.
now in Syria there is similarity a dictator in power, should he be slowed to stay in power after the example set in Iraq. Well it's Russias problem now, and Syrians and any refugees or can relocate to Iraq or Saudi or Iran or Russia,

of course America are wary of setting foot in Syria
You got that right, they look to see if a country has any planes that are remotely like theirs and if the answer is 'yes' they just arm the natives instead.

we will be happy, although surprised, if they decide to maintain their 'culture' in Iraq and Syria and Iran and Saudi.
and we shall maintain ours in Europe
that seems like a good arrangement to me

I dont know if its because they have a dead duck president right now or because they know its lost, but america have been rather meek for a while on this failed coup d'etat.
When they saw russia had a pair of bo llox and were prepared to punch just as hard america kind of vanished behind john kerry.

@lfc1971, In other news, Obama thanked the Saudis for 9/11 because otehrwise Afghanistan would not have been liberated. Palestine continues thanking Israel because otherwise they wouldn't have a shot at freedom. I can also imagine you demanding the chinese to thank America after the americans wage a war in the South China Sea.

It's quite simple, Iraq were given a great opportunity when America overthrew Saddam, all they had to do was say thankyou and get on with building a peaceful and prosperous country. And with americas help it could have been done, it was done in much more devastating circumstances in Germany and Japan  after WW2

The same could be said of Syria today, but can we trust them not to behave like mindless animals? I don't know.

So basically what you are saying is, if the americans invaded the whole world, and the locals tried, there would be prosperity all over the world? Of course we know that the americans in their proud record of waging wars have never invaded a land with any intention other than to bring prosperity.

Do you think it is viable to ask the americans to invade Britain and rid you guys of the imams and their fellows? Sounds like a good deal to me. I can imagine you losing your children in an air raid, being arrested and tortured because you might be in on it with the muslims, or better yet taken to a military base in another country. And then I go to your mother and tell her, well, we liberated you so could we get a thank you card?

https://www.psychiatry-uk.com/ Its online booking and free.

detraveller  • December 14, 2016 12:54 PM GMT 


You still need your brain checked. Seriously how do you expect people to thank an army that invaded them based on a lie, and tortured and imprisoned their people, if they weren't already killed.

Should i ask you to thank the refugees for bringing their culture and religion to Europe?

I agree detraveller, still lfc1971 is convinced he is right.
What he does not understand is that America and this country do not have the right to just invade countries just because we don't approve who is running them. Lying did not help either.

If people kept their nose clean, they could live a normal life under Saddam.
Also he was strong enough to keep order, which is what the Arabs need.

you're not very good at logical thinking are you detraveller ?
let's put it this way, if I was living in any country that did not have the freedoms that we in Britain enjoy, and that's partly thanks to America, if I was living under a murderous dictatorship such as North Korea and Germany during WW2 and America had the courage and ability to overthrow these mass murderers who can stay in power and pass down their evil regimes over the course of the life of whole families.
Then I would thank them for the rest of my life.

No no. You are right. I get it now. The Iraqis should send a thank you letter to the americans(and Europe because we contributed troops). There should be a special mention and thanks for Abu Ghraib.

I wonder why it took the americans 24 years to realize Saddam was evil. Someone must have tweeted about it!

Did you book an appointment?

Actually twitter didn't exist back then. Probably some iraqi sent an email. There was no other way the US could know Saddam had been evil for 24 years!

Really, and how long does it take to realise that any dictator is evil. Stalin stayed in power all his life and Mao and the small round madman in NKorea.
The point is it takes tremendous courage to overthrow these regimes.
and it is reliant on the population reacting in a vaguely sane way

lfc, you are clearly wasting your time here, he's either a troll or spectacularly slow.

OK. Now I have a clear formula.

1. Dictator's are hard to spot but once they are spotted and its decided they are evil...
2. ...America can do the people a favor and invade them...
3. ...provided of course the local population cleans up the mess and rebuilds the country.

What I am really slow at understandg is, how are the Iraqis supposed to thank America? Can anyone help?

Yes that's what happened in Germany and Japan, very good we're making progress.
in fact if it ever happens in Britain I hope America saves us.

and of course i am trolling lfc1971, he's making my day though ill have to leave in a few min

Well I'm sure it's not be turning their country into a bloodbath and slauhtering each other in the 10,000s year after year in a vicious sectarian war.
Do you think they do that to "spite" america? If so that's a bit childish...

Woops almost got dragged into an argument with one of the internet's "special people". I'll leave that to LFC if he wants to waste his time..

I live in Germany. There are 4 american military bases within a 50 mile radius to where I live. That's why we are in line. Because we are the shield against the big old neighbor. Same for Japan. Geography.

But yeah I do than kAmerica and so should the iraqis

There seems little point in answering that nonsense.

yes, but I hope the iraqis reallize they need to thank America for the invasion. Amazing!

i,m sure the 100,s of 1000,s of iraqis killed with mustard gas,chemical weapons etc and millions of iraqis though saddam had wmd, whats worse having wmd or pretending to the world you had them and been invaded because of it

detraveller  • December 14, 2016 1:37 PM GMT 

What I am really slow at understandg is, how are the Iraqis supposed to thank America? Can anyone help?

lfc1971

Report •  Quote  •  Block User  lfc1971  • December 14, 2016 1:39 PM GMT 


Yes that's what happened in Germany and Japan, very good we're making progress.
in fact if it ever happens in Britain I hope America saves us.

Germany and Japan started a war against America, Iraq did not!

Germany and Japan were helped to avoid WWIII.

Don't think Germany wanted a war with USA, or GB

BBC giving their expert opinion on this now

These are people I was at uni with.  You were taught to take account of all information/studies/views/statistics etc etc etc in an attempt to provide some sort of quasi scientific analysis.  Clearly this has been abandoned. There is clearly an agenda.

My best friend tells me - forget it - they are just stupid  ho ho!!

" Ron-Russian • December 14, 2016 10:07 PM GMT
BBC giving their expert opinion on this now "

Your sarcasm is I presume quite dry :)

The sarcastic OTT woman journalist they have over their might as well be presenting their "unbiased" bulletins with an I-hate-assad shirt on in front of a black flag.
How BBC!

It is now down to 50,000 on sky news at 1030pm  - I thought it was 250000 strange how this has changed

Another thing lfc1971...Iraq was not invaded to remove a tyrant

It was invaded because of its weapons, even though the First Gulf War had shown his weapons were absolutely no threat to the West
he had bought old stock

Also the sanctions were wrong, this led to 9/11

What America needs to learn is to respect other countries governments, values and cultures.
I do not wish a world all like America.

What the American's and West have done in the Middle East I consider evil.

Also makes it difficult for us to condemn Putin, he is no worse than us.

IT IS A CIVIL WAR - hope this helps

You are being fed bullsh!t  - understand this ..........

there are a lot of editors and journos whose jobs depend on this carp

& none of this was anything to do with Tony Blair!

hes now tucked up with an eye sleeping mask, hot water bottle & not a care
in the world

I disagree Mobo.....the West has deliberately de stabilised the Middle East.

If you remove strong leaders form someone like the Arabs.....civil war is inevitable.

No it is not.  It is all those foreigners who won't accept DEMOCRACY , BLAIR AND BUSH STYLE

Meanwhile, how are these fascists allowed to get away with this??  ho ho!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/14/jihadists-hiding-plain-sight-among-migrants-head-armed-forces/

freedom fighters attempting to get freedom of expression

How did they NOT have the knowledge we all know & now have about the middle
east countries back then?
& the consequences of interfering in these type of areas?

They must have known & it must have been deliberate, idiot Blair just got dragged
along for the ride?

hey   ebul - is it the journos doing the destabilising ??  I suppose they are the servants to the cause.  FK being a syrian these day eh?

no ron  you are wrong  - it was 'god's' will - bush and blair thought it was  ho ho!!  Whatever the fk that was!!!

It is funny isn't it.  They can do a good job on their own killing one another in the hundreds of thousands - so what do we do - we go and help them do some more damage!!!!!!!

I do not read the Media Mobo....all my opinions are my own

right or wrong?

I know why we interfered in the Middle East, but people have to see it for themselves

I only want one thing for Syria for the fighting to stop, all these deaths and atrocities, nothing else.

RT have just had a discussion on this and the MM got battered. You may well say, "Well no surprise there" but all had their views and the MM lost.

Only one side is evil and that is Assad's - the other lot are all good guys - I know - I have read the guardian and watched sky news.

There are no MM reporters on the ground in East Aleppo, and as far as i know there is no elecky? No GPS? No Skype? So if ye aint there on the ground who's word are they taking? All these massive acts of genocide; where's the proof? Unless ye is an indie journo and have been there (still there) you don't know.. And all the inde reporters i've heard say no such thing has happened..

Civilians making social media pleas from Aleppo actually bloggers with MSM primetime access (VIDEO)

.
https://www.rt.com/news/370364-anissa-aleppo-twitter-shelling/#.WFKKC3QalHE.twitter

i was wondering who this chap was, all a sudden he seems to be the main source of information coming out of Aleppo.
Far right picture

More Fake News to suit the agenda?

OMG watch the short video in the above link!!

Think this is a link to the short video

https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/729878757162496/

Well the woman did look a bit dodgy. Not a sniff of emotion..

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/12/14/hate-hoax-nyc-muslim-arrested-clai...

Lets hope they make an example of it

amazing that sky has used the same bloke[rebel] on skype for 18 months now shells always landing nearby  yet he and his equipment have survived the lot for 18 months ,he,s either very lucky or its a load shoite bough hook line and sinker by sky tv,last night must be the 1000th time he,s said it,ll be probably his last post

Fffs no wonder my posting of that vid didn't get the required response from my Sky ferret...

Final Message

Until next time...

bit like the sports shop closing down sale near me been closing for 20 yrs now,

17 to 33 buses to evacuate 250,00,clippys might make a few bob on this one,

Suck it all up guardianistas and cry in your soup at your notting hill soirees - 250,000 about to meet their fate - but it is all so much invented tosh fed to you by your 'war correspondent' close to the action (wait for it)   in TURKEY  - ho ho

Them busus looked half-empty to me. Was it prayer time?

make no mistake there are poor children and civilians killed by both sides (not that they would report the goody two shoe terrorists (so called rebels) who hide behind them - they do nothing wrong.  I understand daesh have fled the city so at least they can no longer stop civilians leaving now - but aren't the other 'rebel' lot doing the same thing

And just how many 'civilians' support the so called rebels?

Unfortunately, out of two evils in Syria, the UK and US have chosen the worse side. Assad, for all his sins, is a secular dictator who is the only person standing between the minorities (Syrian Christians, Shia, Druze, Alawite, Yezidi) and the bloodthirsty Islamists of IS, Al-Nusra, Al-Jabhra and various other outfits funded by the Saudis and Qatar and Turkey. Guess who we choose to support?
Clue: Its the source of Islamic terrorism who cannot be chastised even by the blue-eyed blonde Foreign Secretary without being hauled up for mistakenly revealing the truth about our so-called "allies" in the Middle East.
To tell the truth would be a hate crime.  We have become a very very sad lot in this country. Bending over to be shafted by the religion of pieces - grab hold and embrace the vibrations.  I am very offensive by it.

Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  32m32 minutes ago
Congratulations to the Syrian Army for defeating the jihadists who were  supported by the Obama White House & the mainstream (fake) media.