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By:
Ozymandius
When: 08 Dec 16 18:36
The various countries that make up the EU have more to lose than the UK.

Can you explain why you think this is the case?  I hear it a lot...seems counter intuitive to me.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 18:39
It's simple Ozy, we import more from the EU than we export to them.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 08 Dec 16 19:13
Yes,  but UK imports are spread (unevenly) between 27 countries...therefore the EU loss is diluted per country .

If the Uk and EU stop trading (hypothetical situation for the purposes of illustration) the damage to say France is sustainable (loses one trading partner)), wheras the UK is wiped out (having lost 27 trading partners).

That is why the UK has more to lose and the EU is in the stronger negotiating position.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 19:21
Do you think the leaders of the individual countries will think like that?
I don't.
But even if they did they'd hardly wipe out the UK which can now trade with the world.
UK companies would also have to look to within for trade which might hamper choice but again it wouldn't ruin the UK.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Dec 16 19:22
take the krauts for starters. BMW exports more cars to us than any other country, around 800k last year. Without UK sales their manufacturing base will collapse costing 1 million jobs. Matthias Wissmann who is their chief at the automotive sector, has begged Merkel not to apply tariffs to UK imports, can you hazard a guess why?
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 19:26
This nonsense of a collective base against us will soon be shown as false when individual countries see what they have to lose.
By:
donny osmond
When: 08 Dec 16 19:28
bmw will sell us cars in or out of eu

they are lucky as their target buyer has lots of money and isnt on minimum wage

if the have to add10% they may expect the uk dealers to take a hit, or pefhaps a
few extras will be left off, ....toblerone effect


its the more generic exporters that will be bothered
By:
Room 0182
When: 08 Dec 16 19:31
If sales won't suffer with a 10% hike in prices, why haven't BMW already done it irrespective of Brexit?
By:
Ozymandius
When: 08 Dec 16 19:32
Do you think the leaders of the individual countries will think like that?

Yes, of course they will.

Which is why the sentiment that they need us more than we need them is evidently a nonsense.
By:
donny osmond
When: 08 Dec 16 19:32
british exports are currently cheaper in europe due to decline in value of pound in europe
since june 23

todays central bank decision has cut a little more of that advantage away


it has already made bmws 10-15 % more expensive to import, but i dont
hear germans cutting production , yet ....
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 19:35
How can it be nonsense when imports are greater than exports?
Common sense tells you who has more to lose in that equasion.
By:
Room 0182
When: 08 Dec 16 19:40
...more likely BMW haven't put their sterling prices up on the UK forecourt yet 'cos they know what'll happen if they do.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 08 Dec 16 19:41
I have explained it to you above.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Dec 16 19:43
Tariffs are good for a country and will be good for Britain. The only countries that benefit from no tariff free trade are countries like China and the poorer EU countries.
By:
donny osmond
When: 08 Dec 16 19:47
if uncle arthur wants a ne bmw  every 2 years
he will buy one, he probably wont shop around
and his dealer will spoil him on his biannual visit
and he will be happy knowing hes paid what he
has paid


if you are selling unbranded gear its a different kettle of
fish


british exporters selling quality gear will continue whereas
those who rely on being a few pence cheaper per item are stuffed
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 20:03
those who rely on being a few pence cheaper per item are stuffed

Can you give us a couple of examples Donny?
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 08 Dec 16 20:11
I hope Aka is not a businessman.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Dec 16 20:19
Tariffs cause difficulties if they are right across the board of a nations economy. They can be used selectively by an independent country. Without tariffs a country can find it is difficult for new companies to get established. Tariffs if used correctly can help these fledgling businesses become established.
This was very important when Britain and other countries first became industrialised.
Tariffs can lead to an explosion of new buisnesses and jobs because it gives infant companies a chance to gain a foothold.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 20:34
Come on then Scandi avail us all of your insight into this other than just posting wee snide remarks.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Dec 16 20:41
As somebody else pointed out if that'd the case why haven't BMW increased prices.
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Dec 16 20:48
BMW have an engine plant in the UK. Reciprocal tariffs would not be good.
By:
treetop
When: 08 Dec 16 20:48
The EU has its faults, of course it does, but I believe we're better in it and influencing it than being on the outside. And the very act of leaving will almost certainly mean we get a trade deal that reflects that fact

The laughable attempt by Cameron prostituting himself around 27 countries to gain something to sell to the electorate earlier this year should tell you that is a notion that has no foundation.
Spite and malice maybe threatening from Brussels petulance but weakness (mostly from Remainer  whingers) will only encourage them,a robust response to call their bluff will get national governments to impose their wills on Brussels and force the to shut up.A tit for tat tarrif response will stop Brussels in it's tracks,they really do have more to lose although the childish behaviour from Brussels may suggest otherwise.
By:
donny osmond
When: 08 Dec 16 20:59
after the sabre rattling a deal will be done

we will be worse off because we leave but we do not have to remain worse off

its up to government and industry to make it work for us

they cant sit around crying


may has already talked of dropping corporation tax , to encourage business to
stay in uk or move here


today we get bad news of banks talking of leaving and good news that
mcdonalds are moving their non usa operations here

hey ho, plenty more swings and roundabouts over next ten years
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 09 Dec 16 23:18
The Black widow spider Laugh
By:
Capt__F
When: 09 Dec 16 23:30
Paul Parker's Ma
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 09 Dec 16 23:39
She wern't even BORN in the the country

She shouldn't even BE in the country

f**king thing Laugh
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 10 Dec 16 03:06
Come into OUR Country
& start telling US how our Law works

who the *** does she think she is - this is big sh1t Black widow your messing
with gangster types Laugh
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 10 Dec 16 03:23
why has it become racist to compare someone to a black widow spider?

FFS?

The Upper hand, have you heard that mentioned before? i have but i can't
think where,

anyway , anyone calls me a snowman i'm reporting you (facts)
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