Gina Miller. Rilf!

so then, so far we have 2 posters suggesting someone is odious because a) they voted differently to them in the referendum and b) they find her physically unattractive.


Proud to be British once again.

glad you are proud ours4keeps keep up the good work

So if she was any one not good looking is odious, interesting logic again.

So much to be proud about lately Burton. #bursting

good news that ours4keeps #previoulybannedposter

Liz a buxom Brexiter Burt

Was I banned?

From here?

From anywhere in fact?

porkypine, you asked two questions and I suggested-see the question marks- two answers. Don't let that stop yer hysterical nonsense though.

aah, the backtrack. How very 2016.

Are you a bit thick iyo?

I showed some chit chat threads to a friend who would certainly be considered right wing in his views and he could not believe how aggressive and abusive the right wingers on here were compared to their centre and left wing counterparts on here ( with one or two exceptions). This thread has just proved the point.

I prefer intelligent women.

Burton is a very angry man. Called me a s***head on the football forum after I made a light hearted joke, I think he needs some kind of therapy, anger management maybe, or sentenced to a week cleaning a Mosque, Muslims on the whole are very friendly people.

Fife, is this the same centre and left that have labelled anyone concerned about immigration as a "racist" for the last decade?

You have to respect burton for being honest, unlike some remainers, they cant be trusted, who would deny that

Perhaps people shouldn't get angry, but that doesn't bother me and I voted leave

a very large percentage of remainers are odious, who would deny that ?

Not fair, but the remainers seem to think that all who voted remain are in favour of unlimited immigration, the ones I know are concerned about it, but put other things first.

saddo, I'm referring to this forum where you must admit most of the offensive stuff comes from the right on here. you do have a point in general that some of the left did lump people with general concerns about immigration alongside the real bigots instead of separating them.

not all remainers are odious! some are nice

Thanks Burton, case closed.

I am fairly sure Miss miller is not nice, but I could be wrong.

I think I read that she was a philanthropist, so she's just not into men.

And she seems to want to remain.

I'm only guessing, if there's any disagreement in the air brexiteers like to calm things down and not stir up trouble.
remainers don't like to do that

you have only to read the tone of the leavers just here, it's not nice.

So the brexiteers who accuse remainers of being traitors to their country are just trying to calm things down, more interesting logic though I do think you are on the wind up and I have been hooked

Oh to live in lfc's care home where all remainders think this way and all quitters think the other way. Simple has a double meaning for a good reason I reckon.

I won't name names, it's obvious to me who is nice and who is not, I wouldn't want to have voted remain . I would be ashamed to death.

I would say burton is nice, there I've said it.

you are too kind lfc you are making me blush, you are one of the few voices I will miss.

So you hear voices Burton-Brewer that would explain a lot

not at all burton, you're welcome. that's very nice of you right there : )

You have only to listen to some remainers, like fife and Scandanavian to know that unforced good behaviour is not easy
they are disgracing themselves here imo

no worries it will all be over for them soon when Theresa leads them to paradise

scandanavian_haven 07 Dec 16 15:06 
Burton is a very angry man. Called me a s***head on the football forum after I made a light hearted joke, I think he needs some kind of therapy, anger management maybe, or sentenced to a week cleaning a Mosque, Muslims on the whole are very friendly people.

SOURCE??  for the last statement 'muslims on the whole are very friendly people'

talking of virgins - would you prefer loads of them or - more experienced persons of the opposite whotsit!!??

a lovely song from The Undertones for the remainers to stamp their feet to
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQtaqgW6MXg

All of this crowing from Brexitears when in the end, it's going to be a soft Brexit which is ALMOST like never leaving, no more MEP's but just as much money going to Brussels and just as many people coming in.

lol.

No chance on earth that just as many would come in, political suicide for whoever sanctions it.

Andy burnham labour mp the only one talking sense  today on immigration and free movement the rest of labour have there heads stuck in the sand saying immigration was not one of the biggest reasons for us to leave Europe

PorcupineorPineapple
so then, so far we have 2 posters suggesting someone is odious because a) they voted differently to them in the referendum and b) they find her physically unattractive.

No she's odious because she's refusing to accept the vote that went against her.
Posing and grinning like a Cheshire cat every time she spots a camera doesn't help either.

shes not trying to overturn the vote

she is trying to stop may taking the powers of a dictator

may needs this because her party is split



hey ho you already know this !



next election will be so much fun !

shes not trying to overturn the vote

No, of course she isn't

Parliament voted to have the referendum and the people voted to leave.
That is a 'hard' Brexit with anything 'softer' the subject of negotiations.
She, along with a few on here, won't accept that and is trying to delay us leaving despite what she says.
God I feel like Father Ted did when trying to educate Father Dugall

She's a good looking lady and knows it. She must have an ego the size of a planet to thumb her nose at the British electorate. Not a person I admire.

may wants to trigger article 50 by end of march

she can pass a bill in good time under due process

this is not delaying may

the vote was 23 june , thats nearly 6 months, and you say
millar is delaying things


tick tock teresa

Tick tock Theresa? You serious Donny?
Who would replace either her or the Tories at this particular time?

i just think she needs to get on with it aka


this appeal has allowed allsorts of new stuff to be put before
the supreme court

she could have dropped the appeal , passed a bill, and brexits yer uncle


very strange wot shes doing .....

May is a very clever woman and I wouldn't be surprised if she has something in reserve here.

i think shes pishing into the wind, ....

but we shall see how it ends up

I have always had this feeling she has a trick up her sleeve that is going to outflank everyone, maybe I'm just giving her too much credit.

she looks a right sort


I would certainly play a game of in or out with her

Lets be honest the people who have taken this to court have only one motive and that’s to delay the Brexit proceedings in the hope something might come up that will change the electorates mind (she might be right). Had she and her co-conspirators said this from the start instead of hiding behind some obscure ideal of protecting the integrity of Parliament , whilst disagreeing with her, I might have at least give her credit. Once the wheels were set in motion then the judiciary have to have their say. Its the Law of the Land which we all have to live by. Whoever has been charged with abusing her will also have to live with the same Law,,,,,,and so should the Guardian Reporter who wanted a "Presidential assassination "and for the same reasons.The Law is made to look stupid when it pursues one person for transgressing but conveniently forgets another

The Portuguese hairdresser who helped to bring the case voted for Brexit.

teresa may has taken this to court !

not ms millar

she lost first case, and now seeks a second vote
on appeal

all she needed to do was lay a bill before parliament

it would be passed by now

I'm quite suspicious of May - I'm not given to conspiracy theories - least of all create one of my own, but I could never shrug off the feeling she is really a remainer; but her own ambitions supersedes the remain/leave argument.

I can't really back-up what I'm saying (other than she was "remain" at the referendum). All the nonsensical sound-bites "Brexit is Brexit", and now this "Red, White and Blue Brexit" nonsense - is for show. She knows the Supreme Court will uphold the High Court decision (as it should). But imo its just more posturing. Is she perhaps playing for time, really hoping legal delays give time to allow events (dear boy, and all of that) to somehow complicate matters, whilst its not seen as her or her party's fault, as they are viewed as clearly trying to implement Brexit?

Or at least, give them more time to figure a possible end-game, they are without a strategy, and that is because the wont/cant get what they want most, access to single market, so the preferred end-position is not known, therefore you can't have a strategy).

Deep-down I think, if this all just "went away" she wouldn't be disappointed.

I'd trample all over this creature to get to Isabel Oakeshott.

Theresa May had a month or so to canvass for the leadership before taking over,she then had to appoint a cabinet and approach a massively complicated situation from scratch (40 years of intense integration of laws)that had zero consideration from our supposedly competent civil service and now contends with sustained backstabbing from within and without ? I admire her approach to assess the problems fully before diving in and getting everything wrong,she is different class to the greasey crew that went before.

You can check out of the E.U. any time you like but you can never leave..as I told you all before

So you see it as a prison rather than a partnership, and that pleases you? A good job the whole nation is not as weak and servile as yourself.

Leaving aside the rather silly analogies, the fact that us leaving would be punishing was one of my big reasons for voting remain. The EU has its faults, of course it does, but I believe we're better in it and influencing it than being on the outside. And the very act of leaving will almost certainly mean we get a trade deal that reflects that fact and is a deterrent to anyone else with similar notions.

Never heard of Isabel what sit, Roger. Had to google her. Not impressed.  What am I missing?

Porp, is it's biggest fault not the fact that it threatens anyone who wants to leave it, with ruin? I think comparing this relationship to an abusive marriage is pretty near the mark, many women are forced to stay in them through fear.

Jesus, have you been reading Closer the last few days or something? I'm all for analogies but sheesh.

the eu has its faults !!!  ho ho!!  that's a good 'un

The message has been clearly spelt out porp, "stop being out partner and we will ruin you", you know I'm right.

The EU has its faults, of course it does, but I believe we're better in it and influencing it than being on the outside.

ok how will you influence this scenario, there is due to be a meeting shortly between Juncker, Tusk and Schultz right? Nobody apart from those 3 know where it is or when it is, they are refusing to state what it is about and they are also refusing to allow any recording of the meeting. Now you tell me how the f*** you influence a secretive mob like that?

Remember this quote? it isn't made up you know this was actually said

I think you're dressing it up but yes, you're essentially repeating what I said originally. We will not get a favourable deal as to do so will encourage others to do the same. They'll hardly set out to ruin us, but they're interest is in getting the best for the EU so, for example, they'll be all for the banks looking to re-locate to Frankfurt or somewhere else within Europe as has been mentioned today again as it strengthens them and also is a tangible and real loss for the deserter.

It may not be pretty but politics and business rarely are.

the marriage comparison is right on the money. but you can apply it to a lot of men as well. how many men stay in loveless/sexless marriages for fear of being taken to the cleaners by the divorce courts ?

The various countries that make up the EU have more to lose than the UK.
This notion that the negotiations will be one way are far off the target.
All we are seeing from the EU peep like Juncker is nothing more than posturing.

The EU leaders saying everything to show a united front whilst here in the UK the remainers trying their best to weaken our case by demanding to know in advance the Brexit plans.

The various countries that make up the EU have more to lose than the UK.

Can you explain why you think this is the case?  I hear it a lot...seems counter intuitive to me.

It's simple Ozy, we import more from the EU than we export to them.

Yes,  but UK imports are spread (unevenly) between 27 countries...therefore the EU loss is diluted per country .

If the Uk and EU stop trading (hypothetical situation for the purposes of illustration) the damage to say France is sustainable (loses one trading partner)), wheras the UK is wiped out (having lost 27 trading partners).

That is why the UK has more to lose and the EU is in the stronger negotiating position.

Do you think the leaders of the individual countries will think like that?
I don't.
But even if they did they'd hardly wipe out the UK which can now trade with the world.
UK companies would also have to look to within for trade which might hamper choice but again it wouldn't ruin the UK.

take the krauts for starters. BMW exports more cars to us than any other country, around 800k last year. Without UK sales their manufacturing base will collapse costing 1 million jobs. Matthias Wissmann who is their chief at the automotive sector, has begged Merkel not to apply tariffs to UK imports, can you hazard a guess why?

This nonsense of a collective base against us will soon be shown as false when individual countries see what they have to lose.

bmw will sell us cars in or out of eu

they are lucky as their target buyer has lots of money and isnt on minimum wage

if the have to add10% they may expect the uk dealers to take a hit, or pefhaps a
few extras will be left off, ....toblerone effect


its the more generic exporters that will be bothered

If sales won't suffer with a 10% hike in prices, why haven't BMW already done it irrespective of Brexit?

Do you think the leaders of the individual countries will think like that?

Yes, of course they will.

Which is why the sentiment that they need us more than we need them is evidently a nonsense.

british exports are currently cheaper in europe due to decline in value of pound in europe
since june 23

todays central bank decision has cut a little more of that advantage away


it has already made bmws 10-15 % more expensive to import, but i dont
hear germans cutting production , yet ....

How can it be nonsense when imports are greater than exports?
Common sense tells you who has more to lose in that equasion.

...more likely BMW haven't put their sterling prices up on the UK forecourt yet 'cos they know what'll happen if they do.

I have explained it to you above.

Tariffs are good for a country and will be good for Britain. The only countries that benefit from no tariff free trade are countries like China and the poorer EU countries.

if uncle arthur wants a ne bmw  every 2 years
he will buy one, he probably wont shop around
and his dealer will spoil him on his biannual visit
and he will be happy knowing hes paid what he
has paid


if you are selling unbranded gear its a different kettle of
fish


british exporters selling quality gear will continue whereas
those who rely on being a few pence cheaper per item are stuffed

those who rely on being a few pence cheaper per item are stuffed

Can you give us a couple of examples Donny?

I hope Aka is not a businessman.

Tariffs cause difficulties if they are right across the board of a nations economy. They can be used selectively by an independent country. Without tariffs a country can find it is difficult for new companies to get established. Tariffs if used correctly can help these fledgling businesses become established.
This was very important when Britain and other countries first became industrialised.
Tariffs can lead to an explosion of new buisnesses and jobs because it gives infant companies a chance to gain a foothold.

Come on then Scandi avail us all of your insight into this other than just posting wee snide remarks.

As somebody else pointed out if that'd the case why haven't BMW increased prices.

BMW have an engine plant in the UK. Reciprocal tariffs would not be good.

The EU has its faults, of course it does, but I believe we're better in it and influencing it than being on the outside. And the very act of leaving will almost certainly mean we get a trade deal that reflects that fact

The laughable attempt by Cameron prostituting himself around 27 countries to gain something to sell to the electorate earlier this year should tell you that is a notion that has no foundation.
Spite and malice maybe threatening from Brussels petulance but weakness (mostly from Remainer  whingers) will only encourage them,a robust response to call their bluff will get national governments to impose their wills on Brussels and force the to shut up.A tit for tat tarrif response will stop Brussels in it's tracks,they really do have more to lose although the childish behaviour from Brussels may suggest otherwise.

after the sabre rattling a deal will be done

we will be worse off because we leave but we do not have to remain worse off

its up to government and industry to make it work for us

they cant sit around crying


may has already talked of dropping corporation tax , to encourage business to
stay in uk or move here


today we get bad news of banks talking of leaving and good news that
mcdonalds are moving their non usa operations here

hey ho, plenty more swings and roundabouts over next ten years

The Black widow spider

Paul Parker's Ma

She wern't even BORN in the the country

She shouldn't even BE in the country

f**king thing

Come into OUR Country
& start telling US how our Law works

who the *** does she think she is - this is big sh1t Black widow your messing
with gangster types

why has it become racist to compare someone to a black widow spider?

FFS?

The Upper hand, have you heard that mentioned before? i have but i can't
think where,

anyway , anyone calls me a snowman i'm reporting you (facts)