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Frozen 14 year old girl
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People have been found frozen, and to all appearances dead. But have been revived.
So far only Frankenstein has been able to create life from someone who is actually dead. I thought they may freeze this girl at the very last moment of her life perhaps? |
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you supposedly have to freeze the body to preserve the vital organs within a few hours of death. most experts will tell you the science involved is utter nonsense in any case
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If this girl passes into unconsciousness before inevitable death, then that is when she must be frozen surely?
The girl is incurable, she has nothing to lose. I saw a documentary once where they found someone frozen solid in a river in a very cold climate. This person was revived, because they had become completely frozen before they actually died, so I suppose that is the theory they are working on?????? |
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"Frozen 14 year old girl"
Why doesn't she .. Let it go, let it go  |
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Seriously though, I just don't trust the science behind this.
I've seen how when fresh stuff touches the back of the fridge and freezes and thaws it is so biologically damaged due to the crystalisation. Then again there are examples like frogs that can be frozen solid and thaw ok due to internal antifreeze but how can they possibly put that into a human that's mostly water without messing things up that didn't evolve that way? |
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Its all bobbins, yet another example of somebody suggesting something and the opportunistic human creating rubbish to sell and make a margin on.
Not withstanding the fact it can't be done or even what quality of life they'd potentially have the biggest question is why the fook would future humans go thawing out humans when the world gets ever more full with humans naturally? It's dead in the water, or should that be freezer? But keep paying dead rent, cos that's what it's all about, can't take it with you so give it us till it runs out and you get chucked in the river. |
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ebulGery you have visited FarmFoods to often
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This is a confidence trick selling ethereal nothing leveraged against people's vulnerabilities.
Not only does it not exist they can't even assure it ever will. It's no different to the Vatican selling papal bulls guaranteeing access to heaven, it's using the unknown. Jerusalem is the land of the dead, mount olive is full of people who were lead to believe that's where the messiah will return for them. Now enterprise has got involved and are selling another pipe dream for profit. I'm sure the laissez faire capitalists are sponking their kex over how good an idea it is. |
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Exactly.
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I think they will take more care then when freezing some a bag of peas.
Human Beings live on hope, even when there is none, it is our nature. I would not be so cruel as to take it away from someone, she is only 14 years old. |
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But ebul, surely you can take a dig at CAPITALISM while you are at it?!
I mean ... when later today, Facts and Dusty watch their "Capitalism - a warning from history" DVD together, and at the end of it seek solace in each others [Corbyn Sanctioned, Ideally a Minority as a third] embrace.. well you don't want left OUT of that action by being reasonable do you?  |
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hey don't knock frozen peas FarmFoods
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Hey I love farmfoods. I would NEVER knock farmfoods. What they hell do you think I am, some sort of "Iceland" bigot
  ?But I can't see cryogenics appearing beside the 17 counters in a row they have of different frozen chips, even if they have got a bit fancy now and sell extras strong spreadable cheese and Bananas! |
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wtf is farmfoods?
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www.farmfoods.co.uk
The shopping habits of forumites sicken me. I'm guessing S_H buys his peas from waitrose, individually wrapped by Jamie Oliver approved child labourers  |
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whats the diff between getting frozen and getting buried ?
Young girl has made a wise choice imo ,and someone else was paying so why not . A funeral is extortionate these days ,frozen in liquid nitrogen at under 40k a bargain imo Problem would be when in the year 3000 or so they send someone a bill to start the work on bringing her back to life and then curing her cancer . Good luck to her ,died far too young and last wishes are being upheld . Does it say anywhere why her father objected ? |
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sorry for interrupting the developing supermarket convo
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' ...Leading scientists have condemned cryonics as fantasy.
"Cryonics is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence.The companies selling cryonics admit there is no current procedure for resuscitation." said Clive Cohen,a professor of neuroscience at Kings College London. In other words it 's a total con. Cashing in on people emotions at a very vulnerable time. Grieving relatives ought to be protected from such ' snake oil salesmen ' |
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The father was probably a pragmatist.
Giving her a hope is compassionate, yet the fallacy of it coming to fruition is the same as just burying her after death anyway. The reason as all of us experienced in the human greed can attest is that any company factoring in profit to a bottom line of keeping humans in a frozen state for x amount of years is open to continual profiteering and take out. Even if it did become possible in the future the company has simply charged for keeping a body frozen, not the cost of some dream of bringing them back to life and the cost implication. That frozen real estate money will have been sponked up a wall long before the probably impossibility has even arrived. |
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surprized its legal
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The father had common sense - obviously .
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shes alive and well now in another world looking down on us wondering what the fuss is all about
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I wonder if she was rejected for organ donation due to the cancer ,that would have been easiest way to have some kind of afterlife
as for being in heaven .....i think thats the reason she chose to be frozen imo a non believer imo so unfair to say she is up thar looking down |
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Seems like a cracking business.
100% customer satisfaction and no refunds. No doubt more gullible people will follow suit due to the OTT media coverage providing such firms with all this free publicity. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_nitrogen#Uses |
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Costs can include payment for medical personnel to be on call for death, vitrification, transportation in dry ice to a preservation facility, and payment into a trust fund intended to cover indefinite storage in liquid nitrogen and future revival costs.[23][24] As of 2011, U.S. cryopreservation costs can range from $28,000 to $200,000, and are often financed via life insurance.[23] KrioRus, which stores bodies communally in large dewars, charges $12,000 to $36,000 for the procedure.[25] Some patients opt to have only their head, rather than their whole body, cryopreserved. As of 2016, four facilities exist in the world to retain cryopreserved bodies; three are in the U.S., and one is in Russia.[2][26] As of 2014, about 250 people have been cryogenically preserved in the U.S., and around 1,500 more have signed up to be preserved
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Says all you need to know about the gullibility of people in the U.S.
Voting for Trump was another example. |
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so looks like a head transplant op onto a doner body once the funds have accrued enough ...by that time the procedure could be viable .Its a ling shot but maybe not as stupid as it sounds .
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"Says all you need to know about the gullibility of people in the U.S."
Err .. this thread is about a BRITISH girl getting frozen. |
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Who knows what science will be capable of in the future.
Go back not even 150 years, and the thought of aeroplanes, sending rockets to Mars and beyond, tell who your family members are by looking at just someone's blood, internet, chat to people anywhere in the world instantly and they would have just laughed at you. At worse I hope the fact that she knew she was going to be frozen gave her some form of comfort and hope during her final few weeks. |
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Here's a clue,
When you die, all the millions of brain cells die too. You really think these can be brought back to ' life' ? |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm
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Cry onyx a question that sparks heated debate ...but I think people should really chill out.
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You can say what you like about the merits of the process, but how can anyone deny the hope to a 14 year old who has had her life tragically cut short? It does bring up an interesting point about the amazing changes in science and medicine though. The condition my lad was born with was a death sentence just 50 years ago, but now cardiac medicine has become incredibly advanced. I would love to be around to see what the advances have achieved in 100 or 200 years time.
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but how can anyone deny the hope to a 14 year old who has had her life tragically cut short?
£37K buys you hope? As I said above this is a great business - you take money off the vulnerable & gullible with absolutely zero guarantee of success. Nevertheless the customers are happy plus there's no refunds - a win/win. Meanwhile, the business owner take and spend customers' money today & defer their responsibility to a future generation to hopefully come through with the science. |
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JC1326 19 Nov 16 20:35
Nov 19, 2016 -- 7:59PM, Facts wrote: Here's a clue,When you die, all the millions of brain cells die too. You really think these can be brought back to ' life' ? A hundred years from now, you'll probably cure cancer by popping a pill, like you do when you have the flu, so why not? More likely this is 37k spent on making the grieving process a bit easier for the family. I think anyone that had 37k to spare would do the same if their fourteen year old was dieing of cancer So why not ? Are you serious - think about it ! Bringing brain cells back from the dead , is akin to making a stone come to life. If I had £37k I certainly would not spend it on ludicrous scheme. Donating it to a Cancer Charity would help,more people. |
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You would not feel an obligation to a child of your own Facts?????
How do you or anyone know what will happen 100 years from now...for certain! |
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A hundred years from now, you'll probably cure cancer by popping a pill, like you do when you have the flu, so why not? More likely this is 37k spent on making the grieving process a bit easier for the family. I think anyone that had 37k to spare would do the same if their fourteen year old was dieing of cancer
I agree JC1326 |
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ebulGery 20 Nov 16 01:05 You would not feel an obligation to a child of your own Facts????? How do you or anyone know what will happen 100 years from now...for certain! To spend £37k to have him/her frozen ? Absolutely not. I can't predict what will be possible in 100 years . Except I know you won't be able to 'restart' a brain ! |