annual debate.....fairytale of new york.....10\1 or 18\1

18/1

It certainly sounds like 10/1, but all the lyrics I've seen, say 18/1.

For those that need a memory refresh

https://youtu.be/HwHyuraau4Q?t=47s

18/1 for me (even though it seems a slightly odd price).

It's 100% 10/1

Listen to it through your earphones on youtube, imagine he is saying 18/1 then listen again imagine he is saying 10/1

you soon see he is saying 10/1 when you compare

in fact even lip reading it's clearly TEN

Yet all printed lyrics say "eighteen to one"

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all printed lyrics are wrong.

Even the Pogues own website have it wrong then!

http://www.pogues.com/Releases/Lyrics/LPs/IfIShould/Fairytale.html

Yep that's wrong as well. Doesn't mean they've consulted the lyricist. Only the man himself knows

18-1 nailed on. Why would you write 10-1 when 18-1 is more to brag about anyway?

agree with SH it sounds nowt like 18\1 but the official lyrics have it at 18\1...........at SH has shown I am not deaf

Fairytale of New York (feat. Kirsty MacColl)
The Pogues

Lyrics


It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true

They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more
Sinatra was swinging,
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy ****
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you

The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells are ringing out
For Christmas day

Written by Jem Finer, Shane Patrick Lysaght Macgowan • Copyright © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc, Universal Music Publishing Group

For those of you who think you hear different lyrics to what they actually are :-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u97o1dN4KvA

we have already established that 18\1 is the official version of it......pay attention facts

The correct version

if anyone seriously says that sounds like 18\1 they are listening to something totally different to me

facts.........do you think it sounds like 18\1............maybe its an irish thing and they pronounce or sing 18\1 like 10\1

10/1 is a no offers.

Fook me, it's 18/1... came in eighteen to one ( notice no 'at')

the 10/1 chumps are hearing it as.. came in at ten to one.

Just had a read of last year's thread - where I started of arguing that it was 10/1!!

However, I did later on post the following link to an article where McGowan states that it comes in at the unlikely odds of 18/1:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/dec/06/fairytale-new-york-pogues-christmas-anthem


And can we trust the narrator anyway? "The guy is a bum who is living on the street," says MacGowan. "And he's just won on a horse at the unlikely odds of 18-to-one, so you're not even sure he is telling the truth."

has to be `at ten to one`
or `at eighteen to one`

can`t be `eighteen to one`..poor English
can`t be `at eighteen to one`..dosn`t scan

so has to be `at ten to one`

when Dylan sang Simon and Garfunkel`s The Boxer he changed the line

`of every glove that laid him down` to
`of every blow that laid him down`

it improved the lyric cleverly, because it was life`s blows that laid him down.

they may have pinched the tune from a 16c tune for mandolins, can`t recall who.

^ fairytale of new York.

^ ****

crags    17 Nov 16 22:52 
Fook me, it's 18/1... came in eighteen to one ( notice no 'at')

the 10/1 chumps are hearing it as.. came in at ten to one.


Correct crags. There is no ' at'

10/1 without a shadow of doubt.

^ boring troll post

cardifffc

Listen to it again, and tell your brain not to assume that an sp price has to be preceded by an 'at'

Once again you're spot on crags !

I know!

This place is very silly now, sadly.

crags
^ boring troll post

Sorry crags I had forgot you hold the patent rights to boring troll posts.

You're being very polite crags.

Facts why don't you play the song to all your lodgers and we'll go by the majority vote.

Gosh ....what rapier like wit you have.

Sorry ( bloody predictive text)

* what a fcking tw@t you are

FFS we have the new Little and Large.

Oh dear, left one still not descended ?

Although you 2 are funnier.

And can we trust the narrator anyway? "The guy is a bum who is living on the street," says MacGowan. "And he's just won on a horse at the unlikely odds of 18-to-one, so you're not even sure he is telling the truth."


When this transcript was recorded, how do you know the person didn't him say 10/1 and not 18/1

didn't hear him say*

when was recorded was 10s but drifted out on bf to 18s, trainer subsequently warned off.

It's 18/1. Just listened through headphones. It's the way he sings it.

It's like being in a Peter Kay gig

It was 18/1 and account closed

listened again even more closely with volume turned up and reading his lips

it's 10/1.

Nov 18, 2016 -- 1:46PM, Steamship wrote:

It was 18/1 and account closed

also he must have been lying as the narrative of the song is xmas eve- there's no racing on xmas eve so he was talking bollox.

there was never a NYPD  choir either.

**** so clearly 10\1 I am stunned though consensus is the other way

Ffs!

He doesn't say 'at '  !!!!!

if you read his lips its clearly 10\1

Rule 4 applied to the bet after the fav taken out late but Magowan couldn't get that to scan to the tune.

Came in 18-1, 10s after rule 4 applied.

he was fecking hammered and never knew himself ffs END OF FREDO

cardifffc

That's because you're assuming it's 10/1 and therefore are reading his lip movement singing...' at 10/1'
When in reality he's emphasising  the 8 of 18/1.
I.e he does not sing the word  ' at '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0hlbWpa1w

Pause at 44 seconds 4+4 also = 8

Also at 44 there is 4.33 to go 4+3+3 = 10 + add the 8 we got and that = 18

Coincidence

And we all know what 18/3 is

And we all know what 18/3 is

Well it was Gold Cup day this year.

on-topic: it sounds to me like he sings eight-ten to one

" he just won at the unlikely odds 'of' eighteen to one.
that ' of ' tells you it it has to be ten to one.

So we all agree it's 10/1 ?

Has anyone ever said " I got home half past twelve" ?
no no one has ever said that.

no matter how drunk, no one has ever said that.

who would disagree with that?

a firm command of English is all that is required.

if anyone can come up with any other instance of someone writing and leaving out very important words I might believe it's 18-1
let's see it may be so, any things possible.

The problem arises of course if the horse did come in at 18-1...then he wouldn't have been able to write the song without leaving out the 'at'
that would have been a terrible pity.
so if the horse did come in at 18-1 I am glad he decided to leave out at

however if the horse came in at 10 -1 , no such problems arise.

Is it possible there was no horse? certainly not.

if there was no horse I think we can all agree that he would have just wrote 10-1 and have done with it.
so perhaps the story in the song is true.

there is no other explanation for using such clumsy English...
unless the story he tells is true.

Right 10/1 but people still going to want to know what bookies he goes to on xmas eve

Keep trying