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Reuters / Toby Melville

MPs from Labour and the Liberal Democrats are ready to vote against a parliamentary bill triggering Article 50, according to the BBC.

Despite shadow Brexit minister Keir Starmer pledging that Labour would not block Article 50 — the legal mechanism for departing from the European Union — several prominent Labour MPs said they are prepared to break party ranks and vote against it.

Theresa May will have to secure approval from both the Houses of Commons and Lords if the government loses its Supreme Court appeal in December to trigger Article 50 without parliament's consent.

Labour MPs who have so far said they would be prepared to vote against the bill, unless amendments are included, are shadow ministers Catherine West and Daniel Zeichner, failed leadership candidate Owen Smith, former minister David Lammy, and opposition whip Thangam Debbonaire.

Another Labour MP, Helen Hayes, said she would also vote against Article 50 unless Theresa May reveals her negotiating demands.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I had somebody in my surgery last week who was in tears because of Brexit and I see genuine distress among my constituents about what this path means. I would not be representing them if I voted to trigger Article 50 on the basis of no information from the government about the path that they would take us on."

Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron also said that his party, which has eight seats in parliament, would oppose triggering Article 50 — unless Theresa May calls a second referendum after striking a deal with EU leaders.

Farron told the Today programme: "Article 50 would proceed, but only if there is a referendum on the terms of the deal. If the British people are not respected then, yes, that is a red line and we would vote against the government."

They may also be joined by the Scottish National Party's 54 MPs: SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said last week that she would "not vote for anything that undermines the will or the interests of the Scottish people." Scotland voted to remain in the EU by a margin of 62% to 38%, which Sturgeon feels gives her a mandate to frustrate the process of leaving the EU if it secures the country a better deal.


Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon confirms Scotland will try and block UK Government overturning Article 50 ruling
The Scottish government has confirmed it will intervene against the government's appeal to trigger Article 50 without the approval of parliament. A High Court ruled that MPs must be able to vote before Theresa May official launches the formal process of leaving the EU, a decision which the government said they will appeal against. Nicola Sturgeon has now confirmed that Scotland's most senior legal officer Lord Advocate James Wolffe will lodge a formal application at the Supreme Court requesting to intervene in the Brexit case due to be heard in December. The First Minister said: "The Scottish government is clear that triggering Article 50 will directly affect devolved interests and rights in Scotland. And triggering Article 50 will inevitably deprive Scottish people and Scottish businesses of rights and freedoms which they currently enjoy. "It simply cannot be right that those rights can be removed by the UK Government on the say-so of a Prime Minister without parliamentary debate, scrutiny or consent. So legislation should be required at Westminster and the consent of the Scottish Parliament should be sought before Article 50 is triggered. "Let me be clear – I recognise and respect the right of England and Wales to leave the European Union. This is not an attempt to veto that process. But the democratic wishes of the people of Scotland and the national Parliament of Scotland cannot be brushed aside as if they do not matter." Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU on 23 June. Sturgeon previously announced she would "take all possible steps" to said they will appeal against. following UK's Brexit vote.
In any event, it is unlikely that Article 50 will be blocked — any parliamentary bill would likely have the support of the whole Conservative party and the vast majority of the Labour party, with both parties having spoken of the importance of respecting the referendum result.

A rump of opposition in the House of Commons could, however, embolden the House of Lords, where any parliamentary bill must also be passed.

That might prove the difficult part — Tory peer Baroness Wheatcroft said last week that the majority of members in the parliament's second chamber would favour stalling Brexit until they get more detail from Theresa May.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that it was appropriate to delay triggering Article 50 until "we have a clearer idea of what it actually entails."

"I think there will be others in the Lords who feel the same way," she said. "How many it is hard to say, but I think there could be a majority who would be in favour of delaying Article 50 until we know a little more about what lies ahead."
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Report Just Checking November 11, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
Tim Farron is such a total limp ducked wet of a man-boy-child.

It seems impossible to believe there will be anything other than the Tories walking it next election. What's the opposition?

Labour, unelectable. Lib-dems, unelectable. UKIP, unelectable and self destructing. Greens, don't make me laugh.

Monster raving loony party had better smarten up, now is their chance.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar November 11, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
The only thing the Lib Dems are capable of blocking is a toilet.


Report mobo November 11, 2016 3:59 PM GMT
these people will be swept aside at any election if they try to wreck leaving
Report donny osmond November 11, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
lib dems have found a rally cry , great but there are only 7 or so of them

50 snps, half a dozen from across the water ?

a handful of tories and a few labour mps with lots of remainers in their cobstituency

150 max i would think against 350-400 to trigger article 50 ?

makes good headlines though
Report Burton-Brewers November 11, 2016 4:51 PM GMT
The Libs are hoping they can recover their standing of 6 years ago with a major policy, I'm afraid this policy is not the one that will do it.
Report 1st time poster November 11, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
never heard of helen hayes but did her constituents vote leave or remain ?
Report 1st time poster November 11, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
farron may want to try
no tuition fees
no vat rises
honouring the majority over brexit

oooops maybe not, Grin
Report tons of sobs November 11, 2016 5:01 PM GMT
Just wrote to my M.P. asking where she stands on this,...i already know her reply,''i will take us out,as long as we stay in''

''HARRUMPH''.
Report mobo November 11, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
how many lib dems?  what party is that?
Report johnizere November 11, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
The following MPs have put on the record their intention to campaign to remain in the EU:

Peter Aldous - Waveney
Heidi Allen - Cambridgeshire South
Edward Argar- Charnwood
Victoria Atkins - Louth and Horncastle
Harriett Baldwin - Worcestershire West
Gavin Barwell - Croydon Central
Guto Bebb - Aberconwy
Richard Benyon - Newbury
Paul Beresford - Mole Valley
James Berry - Kingston and Surbiton
Jake Berry - Rossendale and Darwen
Nicola Blackwood - Oxford West and Abingdon
Nicholas Boles - Grantham and Stamford
Peter Bottomley - Worthing West
Karen Bradley - Staffordshire Moorlands
Steve Brine - Winchester
James Brokenshire - Old Bexley and Sidcup
Robert Buckland - Swindon South
Simon Burns - Chelmsford
Alistair Burt - Bedfordshire North East
Neil Carmichael - Stroud
James Cartlidge - Suffolk South
Alex Chalk - Cheltenham
Jo Churchill - Bury St Edmunds
Kenneth Clarke - Rushcliffe
Therese Coffey - Suffolk Coastal
Damian Collins - Folkestone and Hythe
Oliver Colvile - Plymouth Sutton and Devonport
Alberto Costa - South Leicestershire
Byron Davies - Gower
Caroline Dinenage - Gosport
Jonathan Djanogly - Huntingdon
Michelle Donelan - Chippenham
Oliver Dowden - Hertsmere
Jackie Doyle-Price - Thurrock
Flick Drummond - Portsmouth South
Alan Duncan - Rutland and Melton
Philip Dunne - Ludlow
Michael Ellis - Northampton North
Jane Ellison - Battersea
Tobias Ellwood - Bournemouth East
Charlie Elphicke - Dover
Graham Evans - Weaver Vale
David Evennett - Bexleyheath and Crayford
Mark Field - Cities of London and Westminster
Kevin Foster - Torbay
Lucy Frazer - Cambridgeshire South East
George Freeman - Norfolk Mid
Mike Freer - Finchley and Golders Green
Roger Gale - Thanet North
Edward Garnier - Harborough
Mark Garnier - Wyre Forest
David Gauke - South West Hertfordshire
Nick Gibb - Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
John Glen - Salisbury
Robert Goodwill - Scarborough and Whitby
Richard Graham - Gloucester
Helen Grant - Maidstone and The Weald
Damian Green - Ashford
Dominic Grieve - Beaconsfield
Andrew Griffiths - Burton
Ben Gummer - Ipswich
Sam Gyimah - Surrey East
Luke Hall - Thornbury and Yate
Stephen Hammond - Wimbledon
Richard Harrington - Watford
Simon Hart - Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire
Sir Alan Haselhurst - Saffron Walden
Oliver Heald - Hertfordshire NE
James Heappey - Wells
Peter Heaton-Jones - Devon North
Nick Herbert - Arundel and South Downs
Damian Hinds - Hampshire East
Simon Hoare - Dorset North
George Hollingbery - Meon Valley
Kevin Hollinrake - Thirsk and Malton
Kris Hopkins - Keighley
John Howell - Henley
Ben Howlett - Bath
Nigel Huddleston - Worcestershire Mid
Nick Hurd - Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner
Margot James - Stourbridge
Robert Jenrick - Newark
Joseph Johnson - Orpington
Andrew Jones - Harrogate and Knaresborough
Marcus Jones - Nuneaton
Seema Kennedy - South Ribble
Simon Kirby - Brighton Kemptown
Julian Knight - Solihull
Mark Lancaster - Milton Keynes North
Phillip Lee - Bracknell
Jeremy Lefroy - Stafford
Brandon Lewis - Great Yarmouth
David Lidington - Aylesbury
David Mackintosh - Northampton South
Alan Mak - Havant
Tania Mathias - Twickenham
Mark Menzies - Fylde
Johnny Mercer - Plymouth Moor View
Maria Miller- Basingstoke
Amanda Milling - Cannock Chase
Andrew Mitchell - Sutton Coldfield
David Morris - Morecombe and Lunesdale
James Morris - Halesowen and Rowley Regis
Wendy Morton - Aldridge-Brownhills
David Mowat - Warrington South
Bob Neill - Bromley and Chislehurst
Sarah Newton - Truro and Falmouth
Caroline Nokes - Romsey and Southampton North
Guy Opperman - Hexham
Neil Parish - Tiverton and Honiton
Mark Pawsey - Rugby
John Penrose - Weston-super-Mare
Claire Perry - Devizes
Chris Philp - Croydon South
Eric Pickles - Brentwood and Ongar
Dan Poulter- Suffolk Central
Rebecca Pow - Taunton Deane
Victoria Prentis - Banbury
Mark Prisk - Hertford and Stortford
Mark Pritchard - The Wrekin
Jeremy Quin - Horsham
Mary Robinson - Cheadle
David Rutley - Macclesfield
Antoinette Sandbach - Eddisbury
Andrew Selous - South West Bedfordshire
Grant Shapps - Welwyn Hatfield
Alok Sharma - Reading West
Alec Shelbrooke - Elmet and Rothwell
Keith Simpson - Broadland
Chris Skidmore - Kingswood
Chloe Smith - Norwich North
Julian Smith - Skipton and Ripon
Nicholas Soames - Mid-Sussex
Amanda Solloway - Derby North
Caroline Spelman - Meriden
Mark Spencer - Sherwood
John Stevenson - Carlisle
Rory Stewart -Penrith and The Border
Gary Streeter - Devon South West
Mel Stride - Devon Central
Graham Stuart - Beverley and Holderness
Hugo Swire - East Devon
Maggie Throup - Erewash
Edward Timpson - Crewe and Nantwich
Kelly Tolhurst - Rochester and Strood
David Tredinnick - Bosworth
Tom Tugendhat - Tonbridge and Malling
Andrew Tyrie - Chichester
Ed Vaizey - Wantage
Shailesh Vara - North West Cambridgeshire
Robin Walker - Worcester
Ben Wallace - Wyre and Preston North
Matt Warman - Boston and Skegness
Angela Watkinson - Hornchurch and Upminster
Helen Whately - Faversham and Mid Kent
Chris White - Warwick and Leamington
Craig Whittaker - Calder Valley
Craig Williams - Cardiff North
Gavin Williamson - Staffordshire South
Rob Wilson - Reading East
Dr Sarah Wollaston - Totnes
Report wit-ham November 11, 2016 7:28 PM GMT
Well look at all those future UKIP seats
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