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By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 13:58
Everything is seen through the prism of hatred of America and Britain.
Even up to the level of party leaders.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 13:59
The thing they hope for most of all is to weaken America and break up the UK
By:
Breedingmad
When: 08 Jan 17 14:00
I think you're confusing gave with have,,...
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:01
now breedingmad you were making a nuisance of yourself yesterday, don't start today !
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 14:09
America have spent billions in countries like Iraq, and others. Trump is not about to make that mistake again

You think that money was spent out of benevolence to the locals?
By:
The Leopard
When: 08 Jan 17 14:14
ebulGery : I have also witnessed the mess the United States interference has caused in the Middle East since circa 1990,

they have turned it into a bloodbath


It was a bloodbath carried out by Saddam's Bathists who are now Daesh (ISIS) and Sunni / Shia animosity

Not down to USA or GB
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:19
America has spent billions on aid to Iraq, they have spent billions on help with engineering , medical care hospitals and people, drugs and education, scientific and technical help, every aspect of what is needed to help Iraq become a free and democratic and prosperous and peaceful country America has spent billions and also given time and knowledge and at a great rish to the good and brave people not just financially.
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 14:20
you think they did this just to help the locals?
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:24
That's ok, no one likes to be thankful. don't worry America have have enough. It is time for these countries to try and do something for themselves. Perhaps it's Russia's problem now, or Europes or Britains, very good
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 14:27
that doesn't answer the question.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:29
look, I know you think America are spending billions of dollars on aid to Iraq because they want to benefit America.
That doesn't worry me, what is good for America is good for the world, and Iraq.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:31
The point is they are going to stop spending billions and leave Iraq and Europe and the rest of the world to look after themselves.  I suppose you won't be satisfied with that either ?
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 14:37
still haven't answered it
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 14:39
you're getting terribly muddled
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Jan 17 14:43
You're need reading carefully enough I will make it simple for you
America does what is good for America
What is good for America is good for the world
Countries like Iraq should beg America to come in and run the country and government and industry and every aspect of life in partnership together
That's how I see it that's all
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Jan 17 15:42
The Leopard  • January 8, 2017 2:14 PM GMT 


ebulGery : I have also witnessed the mess the United States interference has caused in the Middle East since circa 1990,

they have turned it into a bloodbath

It was a bloodbath carried out by Saddam's Bathists who are now Daesh (ISIS) and Sunni / Shia animosity

Not down to USA or GB


I would dispute that Leopard, Saddam was a brutal ruler, but it meant normal Iraqi's could go about living
their daily lives.....without the risk of being killed or maimed by bombs.,,which I think most human beings desire.

Saddam was a Sunni, but not a religious fanatic, he ruled by the cult of himself.

By removing Saddam, Iraq is now a bloodbath, there are still bombs going off with regular occurrence in S.Iraq, northern Iraq
is in a state of permanent war with ISIS, because the only who could keep the peace was Saddam and he was removed by the West.

The Kurds have benefitted since Saddam fell, they have their own country now, but most in Iraq have suffered.

I stand by what I say, but it is not your view Leopard, fair enough.
By:
A_T
When: 08 Jan 17 15:45
the US was quite happy with Saddam until he invaded Kuwait - so the US invaded to save the Kuwaiti people ( Wink )

Iran has always been the US bogeyman in the region for having the temerity to remove the US's puppet The Shah -  and after that the Embasssy humiliation.
By:
ebulGery
When: 08 Jan 17 15:49
A_T fair enough, but that was not the reason for the invasion, but if was  a plausible excuse, I will give you that.

The killing of Iraqi conscripts was excessive, and why the sanctions after Saddam's defeat, which showed he was no longer a threat?

I believe I know the real reason, and it was evil, you have to work it out yourself.
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