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scandanavian_haven
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The High Court is to rule on whether the government can begin the formal process of leaving the European Union without consulting Parliament.
Senior judges heard a challenge last month from campaigners who argue Prime Minister Theresa May does not have the power to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty without MPs' approval.
The PM has promised to trigger Article 50 by the end of March 2017.
Its author, Lord Kerr, has told the BBC he believed it was "not irrevocable".
Judges are set to give their verdict at 10:00 GMT.

Some of the leading figures in the legal world are involved in the historic case, which is expected to be appealed against to the Supreme Court whatever the verdict.
The announcement will be made by Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, Master of the Rolls Sir Terence Etherton and Lord Justice Sales.
The government insists it does not need to consult Parliament before triggering Article 50, which begins two years of formal Brexit negotiations.
Gina Miller, centre, arriving at the High Court on the second dayImage copyrightAP
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Gina Miller, centre, was chosen as the lead claimant
Lord Justice ThomasImage copyrightPA
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Lord Thomas, the Lord Chief Justice, presided over the three-day hearing
It argues there is an established constitutional convention for the executive to use ancient powers of royal prerogative to withdraw from international treaties - and that the referendum result has given ministers the green light to begin Brexit.
But the claimants - led by investment manager Gina Miller - argue that rights granted by the 1972 European Communities Act cannot be taken away without the explicit approval of Parliament.
A number of MPs have also been calling for Parliament to be given a vote before Article 50 is triggered, saying the government has no mandate to decide the terms of Brexit.
But Mrs May has said their demands are akin to trying to "subvert democracy".
The government has said it is likely MPs will get to vote on the final Brexit deal reached after the negotiations - but campaigners say this is too late.
The prime minister has refused to give details of her key demands for the talks.
'Factually objective'
Among those calling for Parliament to be given a vote is the Scottish peer who wrote Article 50.
In a BBC interview, Lord Kerr of Kinlochard said he believed Article 50 was "not irrevocable", adding that the UK could choose to stay in the EU even after exit negotiations had begun.
Meanwhile the head of the civil service, Sir Jeremy Heywood, said it might be decades before the full impact of the referendum result on the UK was known.
Setting out the challenge facing Whitehall in his blog, he said Brexit had "few, if any, parallels in its complexity".
He also defended the civil service's role during the referendum campaign, when Brexit-supporting ministers were barred from seeing some documents under special rules allowing members of the government to campaign for either side.
"During the official referendum campaign, we were scrupulous in making sure that all documents issued were factually correct and objective," he said.
Exiting the EU will involve almost every government department and thousands of civil servants, he said.
'Titanic success'
Separately, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been greeted by laughter after claiming Brexit would be a "titanic success".
Speaking at the Spectator Parliamentarian of the Year Awards, he appeared to compare leaving the EU to the cruise ship that sank in 1912 on its maiden voyage.
He said: "In the words of our great Prime Minister, Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a titanic, a titanic success of it."
After loud laughter from the audience, Mr Johnson corrected himself, adding: "We are going to make a colossal, a colossal success of Brexit."

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By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 10:02
STINKS.

On Victoria Derbyshire NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 10:52
as said above decision coming up at 10am live on Vic Der
By:
DStyle
When: 03 Nov 16 10:53
yep. let's vote for a "return of our sovereignty" so our government can illegally bypass our constitution and surrender to populism.

Usually, history would suggest that this sort of thing doesn't tend to end particularly well.

We do not live in a direct democracy, we live in a representative democracy, with good reason (something Cameron seemed to forget)

MPs should respect the public vote and the result of the referendum, when they themselves are called to vote, but we should not suddenly ignore how our government reaches its decisions.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 10:56
I'm all for giving Remainers a bit of hope again!

then getting the satisfaction of seeing it all come to nothing Laugh
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:01
PM will be hoping it has to consult parliament

brexit means brexit was a bluff
By:
DStyle
When: 03 Nov 16 11:01
I'm more for watching the leavers go into a rabid frothing meltdown.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 03 Nov 16 11:05
We don't do meltdowns, we thrust upwards.Wink
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:07
*PATHETIC DECISION OUT
By:
DStyle
When: 03 Nov 16 11:07
campaigners win.
By:
DStyle
When: 03 Nov 16 11:08
let's watch sterling go.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:20
subverting the will of the british people - disgusting
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:23
Government lose article 50 court case & Parliament must vote.MP's have big remain majority,we will have an election


Excited
By:
chelsea girl
When: 03 Nov 16 11:24
Will a majority of MP'S really vote against the majority of the British voters?

Could mean carnage in some marginal constituencies.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:25
PM May said brexit in March 2017,but this ruling means earliest is July
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 03 Nov 16 11:26
it will be reversed on appeal the lawyers haven't made enough dough out of it yet.
By:
DStyle
When: 03 Nov 16 11:28
chelsea girl 03 Nov 16 10:24 
Will a majority of MP'S really vote against the majority of the British voters?


no.

The Lords are an issue; as are whether there has to be a bill.

It also means that parliament may only accept a softer brexit.

So chances of softer brexit and later article 50 date have shortened massively.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:29
10:24am
Farage: 'I worry that a betrayal may be near at hand'
Following the High Court decision calling for a Parliamentary vote on the triggering of Article 50, Nigel Farage said: "I worry that a betrayal may be near at hand. Last night at the Spectator Parliamentary Awards I had a distinct feeling that our political class, who were out in force, do not accept the 23rd of June Referendum result.

"I now fear that every attempt will be made to block or delay the triggering of Article 50. If this is so, they have no idea of the level of public anger they will provoke."
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:31
bizzarely Brexiteers can take the high court case to the European court for appeal.Laugh
By:
morpteh mackem
When: 03 Nov 16 11:32
brexit doesnt mean brexitMischief
By:
spyker
When: 03 Nov 16 11:34
In light if the Nissan deal (either a guarantee to be in the single market or to pay for it with taxpayers money) if i was a brexiteer i would want all the scrutiny there is! The fact they don't want any scrutiny because they think they are going to get pretty much what they want (whatever that is) could be very funny when the British people actually get to find out what it is when brexit means brexit!
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:35
Tony Blair said don't give up hope! Angry
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:38
SNP consulting for a Westminster No article 50 vote
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:39
what a mess


Andrew Neil‏ @afneil
Ministers will appeal against a High Court ruling that Theresa May does not have the power to use the royal prerogative to trigger Brexit.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 03 Nov 16 11:40
the remoaners will be getting their first hard ons in months Grin
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:41
Financial Times‏ @FT
BREAKING NEWS: The UK government will appeal the High Court decision, sending it to the Supreme Court in December
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:42
PeatWorrier‏ @PeatWorrier
Short version? The government was arguing that activating Art.50 was an exercise of the royal prerogative - residual powers of the Crown
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:42
appeal beginning of december
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Nov 16 11:43
mps will pass it to save their skins,  oh hang on it would fall in the lords anyway
as they aint elected and full time gravyists
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 03 Nov 16 11:43
future looks a bit brighter to day for our wonderful nation Happy
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:44
PeatWorrier
PeatWorrier‏ @PeatWorrier
Court says: constitutional principle says that the royal prerogative can't be used to remove rights in domestic law. Activating A.50 will.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 03 Nov 16 11:45
Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet  48s49 seconds ago
So the whole Brexit vote was completely worthless and the elite will now simply annul it exactly as I predicted.
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Nov 16 11:46
the people have voted to remove their own rights

of course this was not explained to them on back of nigel's beermat
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:50
next election could fcuk labour

TORY - brexit leave Europe vote
LIB DEMS - stay Europe remain vote
UKIP - hard brexit vote
SNP - stay europe vote

LABOUR --unsure wishy washy, a bit of both Crazy
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 03 Nov 16 11:51
450 mp's voted remain
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:53
Suzanne Evans‏ @SuzanneEvans1
Most MPs had constituents who voted Leave. If they don't stand up for them now, UKIP will take their votes for good. 1/2
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Nov 16 11:53
UKIP leader Nigel Farage said: "I worry that a betrayal may be near at hand."




...hes not laffing now
By:
Breedingmad
When: 03 Nov 16 11:55
The Turkeys could yet be savedExcited
By:
xmoneyx
When: 03 Nov 16 11:55
1.01 he will announce staying as leader till this is resolved Wink
By:
donny osmond
When: 03 Nov 16 11:57
surely farage is too late to submit his papers to stand for leader ?

he'll have to go 3 rounds with hookem to decide it
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