Men Jailed over Bacon prank in mosque...

how long do you give it till you will not be allowed to post or even say anything critical about islam etc

Not quite Twizzle, or perhaps Ron is being economical with the truth....  Take your pick.

Mateusz Pawlikowski, 22 (5.10.94) of Wilton Road, N10 and Piotr Czak-Zukowski, 28 (23.7.88) of Sneath Avenue, NW11, both Polish nationals, appeared at Blackfriars Crown Court today, Tuesday 1 November, where they were both sentenced to eight months' imprisonment for criminal damage and eight months' imprisonment for a racial / religious public order offence. The sentences are to run concurrently.

F#ck em


Idiots

No wonder hate crimes up

Obviously wrong - but a prison sentence?  would think they'd bring back the
death penalty if anyone trashed one of these places!

blackbarn...bacon...porkies..get it?

there's going to be several defenders of the faith on here who will be very upset when they find out it was poles   ha ha!!!

Yoo'd get a five stretch for a leg of pork 

Fck you porcupine you poor excuse for a pineapple

flew straight over blackbarns head twizzle

Twizzle - I got it!!, I even got the lean back - I make my own bacon though so I may be a receptive audience. 

My point was that these two guys were not just charged with throwing rashers about but with "criminal damage" which may explain the sentence.  I apologise for introducing missing facts to ron's original post.

Ron - flew straight over blackbarns head twizzle.  .  Says the poster who can't even get a simple story complete.

i can't remember the original report blackbarn, im sure it wasn't nothing
to bad, might have kicked their shoes about or something like that?

Was the criminal damage just smears of fat?

The" criminal damage" charge is just to beef up the supposed offence of lobbing a few lumps of streaky about ..as mentioned by mobo burning the poppy counts for nowt...aghhhh!

found it

Piotr Czak-Zukowski, 28, and Mateusz Pawlikowski, 21, also threw rashers at the shoe rack of the Al-Rahman Mosque in Camden, and a piece landed inside a shoe.

not inside the shoe thats obviously the criminal damage

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/men-pelt-worshippers-mosque-bacon-8984499

They're clamping down on hate crime thinking that they'll nip it in the bud.

Yet it's an unequal exercise.

So all they're doing is to kindle hate in people who wouldn't otherwise be concerned, because of the double standards they're setting regarding leniency for some and the heavy hand for others. 

Treat everyone the same and it might fizzle out.
Doing it this way is simply stoking it up.

Ron - I am struggling with "im sure it wasnt nothing to bad" For me, I have no idea whether it was anything too "bad" either. I was merely quoting the Met Police report of the offence and sentence.

twizzle

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Yoo'd get a five stretch for a leg of pork  Sad

now if that was me in the mosque id say alright lads, you've had your bit of
fun, lets call it a night!

that's the problem though they've got no sense of humour!

Ah yes..Hate crime ..a dead easy nick for plod and a great way of toadying up to the Muslim community.

When people see others being jailed for something as trivial as this. All it does is to harden their attitude towards Muslims.

That is not what the authorities are trying to do, but is certainly the result.

Stoking up hate by applying double standards.

Lovely bit of Bacon and Cabbage /spuds tonight ,the cxnts dont know what they are missing

Sounds like two Polish Chaps carried out the Bacon Attack

Betcha Abdul ate well that night

Ron - the Mirror report seems to support the Met Police report - "both admitted religiously aggravated criminal damage and religiously aggravated harassment".

You say "and a piece landed inside a shoe. not inside the shoe Cry thats obviously the criminal damage Grin

This makes little sense, but whatever you seem to be guessing at what exactly represented the "criminal damage" I have no idea, but more importantly neither it seems do you.

Possession of a knife can carry a prison sentence of up to 4 years even if it's not used

Not sure how accurate the above is, but wouldn't have thought the sentence would
be much different had they replaced that bacon with knifes and not used them?

As Ron correctly points out they really DO NOT have any sense of humour..take themselves and there $hit religion far to serious

They're idiots. They chose to throw pork, not lamb. They knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to get a reaction. Well, they got one. Dickheads. Maybe spend your bird thinking of doing something constructive with your life rather than trying to just upset someone eh.

yes and their toilets wreak

Attacked with a rasher of bacon. So they reported it to the police.

Don't you just love them.

Polish very Racist People ,mainly Catholics, they hate Muzzies

I could do with some thrown my way, right out of it in the fridge

They must think they're God's chosen people having the police in their pockets.

Other religions practiced in Poland, by less than 1% of the population, include Islam and Judaism[2][3] and to a lesser extent Hinduism and Buddhism. 

They have to come over here for a bit of Bacon Slinging

P/P..pork is cheaper than lamb so that fcks your argument.Couple of lads having a bit of fun at the muzzies expense..is that such a bad thing bearing in mind the terrible atrocities which happen every day..8 months?..come on now

Crippen - but that is not what the defendants were charged with, pleaded guilty to, and were found guilty of, is it?.

Casemoney - some toilets wreak havoc, but most just reek.

Imagine this pair inside, the danger they'll be in, what with the muslim controlled
British prisons once word gets about

twizzle, you're also an idiot so it seems.


Grass, paper, rubbish from the floor etc etc is also cheaper than lamb. Jesus man, get a grip. They knew what they were doing and have got a nasty shock. Tough.

Muslim who burnt the poppies got a £50 fine.

Upside down country

Counter-terror experts fear ISIS extremists armed with knives will target a Western church for their next attack.

Christian leaders are being warned to increase security and avoid wearing dog collars in public.

how would people feel if they'd been throwing dogshit?

i'm not sure prison is the right punishment, but they should be punished.

however, my guess is that the real consequences of their actions will not come from the sentence itself but from the brothers inside, with perhaps a second helping when they come out.

and I am not going out in a short skirt again!!!

Whats your thoughts on muslims openly burning poppies PP?

& What the sentence should be?

Rather be accused of being an idiot than a pontificating porcupine fcking pineapple.

The poppy is a symbol of british imperialist suppression of minorities.  Like the 2 billion muslims etc.
The sickening sycophantic tribalist albert hall celebrations of the conquests of the empire and subjugation of whole tribes of people.
This is what the poppy symbolises as we swept from one country to another.
Yes indeed, the poppy has a lot to answer for.

sorry  I seem to have had a bang on the head
toodle pip!!!

I think the symbolism of the poppy has been massively corrupted in recent years from being a pro-active choice to wear one in support to a reactive "how will it look if I'm the only one not wearing one".


That said, everyone should know that the burning of one is disrespectful and is essentially saying you disrespect the lives of the people who died in war, so again f#ck anyone who does that. They know what they're doing and can face the consequences.

What consequences?

Certainly not jail.

Not answering for PP, but I have a view.....

I think it is totally unacceptable and should be the subject of a custodial sentence.  From a legal point of view though, these "poppy burning" offences were treated as "just" "public order" offences, and not racially or religiously motivated acts. From the legislation, and for right or wrong, they were regarded as legitimate public protest that stepped over the line into a public order offence.   I don't agree with it but then I don't make the law.

£50 fine

hurting peoples feelings shouldn't be a crime, so burning a poppy shouldn't be a criminal offence.

of course, you would have to compare this action and its policing with what would happen if someone dared launch a tirade against Mohammad or Allah outside a mosque before Friday prayers.

You all know very well that authorities try to avoid upsetting them.

Why not? Why should the consequences not be similar to the pork throwers?





To be fair this argument is very different if you're in N Ireland obvs. There it can be seen as a legitimate protest against a ruling foreign power who have murdered your own so its a bit more nuanced than a lot would appreciate.

as i said: substitute the bacon for dogshit and the difference is obvious.

People defending the actions of complete morons because we dislike the apparent 'victims' of the crime more.

Yep, we've really taken our country back. #proud emoticon.

What about the Muslims who turned out to shout abuse at our war dead when they were brought home through Wootton Bassett.
None arrested, surely at least a breach of the peace, and allowed to carry out their abuse albeit with a ring of police keeping them from moving.

think it said they'd had a few beers prior, so probably just a bit of banter.

these Poppy burners knew exactly what they were doing, proper hate crime

DStyle
hurting peoples feelings shouldn't be a crime, so burning a poppy shouldn't be a criminal offence.

Try burning one of their bibles and see where that gets you.

it's the most beautiful book in the world.

god knows what parts they must be reading or skipping through

"Banter"


Imagine how this thread would be if it were Muslims throwing sh!t into a church for giggles.

£50 fine

blackbarn    Joined: 02 Jan 05
Replies: 7574 01 Nov 16 22:28 
Ron - the Mirror report seems to support the Met Police report - "both admitted religiously aggravated criminal damage and religiously aggravated harassment".

You say "and a piece landed inside a shoe. not inside the shoe Cry thats obviously the criminal damage Grin

This makes little sense, but whatever you seem to be guessing at what exactly represented the "criminal damage" I have no idea, but more importantly neither it seems do you.

There's probably none - if there was they'd make sure it was stated

Two men, described as wearing dark coloured uniforms, allegedly entered the Al Rahman Mosque and Community Centre in Crowndale Road on Sunday night and began placing pieces of pork – which is considered “haram” or forbidden in the Islamic faith – inside shoes left on a rack near the entrance.

When confronted, the two men, who were both described as white, with short hair and beards, threw pieces of meat towards worshippers.

Helal Ahmed, who was praying at the mosque when the attack took place at around 7:30pm, told the New Journal: “Two people came inside, both were acting strange. I saw one person was filming, but I didn't see what they were doing at this point.

“What they were wearing looked like police [uniforms], I thought they were police at first. They had black trousers and black jackets, like the heavy coats that police wear in winter.

“When he saw me he threw a piece of pork meat, but luckily it dropped one-and-a-half feet [in front of me].”

The men fled the scene without saying a word, Mr Ahmed said, adding: “They opened the door and went. I switched on all the lights to see what happened. I looked at my shoe and they put some pieces of pork meat in another brother's shoe. But he left it, I gave him a spare sandal. He can't use that shoe, it's not halal.”

Describing his reaction to the attack, which another member of the mosque described as a “disgusting and heinous attack on a peaceful place”, Mr Ahmed said: “I couldn't accept it. My throat is dry. I can't even explain it. It's kind of senseless.”

loads of reports - no actual damage though

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http://www.camdennewjournal.com/mosque-bacon-attack

Good picture in that link btw

He can't use that shoe, it's not halal.”

Just shows the barbarity of this cult - it would have been fine if it was a piece
of meat from a barbaric killing placed in his shoe!

They'd have got life if they were white British.

Its part of the softening process,all young people know you can't oppose Islam in any shape or form.
Firstly the police and court system will hound you.
Secondly you will be threatened with death by the religion of peace members.

If you want a good example see what happened the unfortunate gymnast Louis Smith.

the demographic shift cult will have its way

ALLI BA BA  and all that

Lets have a massive war Muslim vs Christians seems the only answer.

anyone leaving it is baseball bat time

Start the Crusades again...ooops

Lets just enforce our laws.

still waiting breeding - where did I mention foreigners or anything to do with religion in my london report?

You suggested it,that's how racial and religious hatred starts you asked for it and received the answer you wanted that is pretty obvious to anyone
with half a brain.

No I did nothing of the sort
I posted several murders and other disturbances about london and how dangerous it has become.
No where did I mention religion, race, hatred or anything else - simply the incidents as reported by the newspapers
so why lie and say I did?? I see you have avoided going back on there.  I expect an apology for the lies you have spread about me.

The pair were remanded in custody until their sentencing over fears for their safety if they were bailed, Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court heard.

Zahid Hussain, prosecuting, said: "This is an unusual and unique case . Both these defendants originally come from Poland.

"In a civilised Western democratic nation, one is entitled to express their opinion and also to benefit from freedom of speech.

But there are boundaries which we need to all comply with and live inside those.

"Sadly, these two men in this case have breached these boundaries. This is hate crime at the very top level. It is Islamophobia.

"These two were completely and utterly drunk. They entered a mosque, which they are prohibited from doing while drunk.

"Not only have they entered, they then insulted worshippers just before evening prayers.

"They have with them rashers of bacon which they throw on the floor in a holy place of worship.

I remember this case clear now, that was it "hate crime at the very top level"

LOL

I remember this case clear now, that was it "hate crime at the very top level"

Must have been really cheap bacon. You miss that out deliberately Ron. Life without parole in that case.

Just goes to show they think mosques are "their" ground and people can't drink
near them, even though they're on British soil & that religion has zero welcoming
in this country by the majority & has nothing to do with Britain full stop.

Lets not let stats get in the way.

More sign up for isis than the British forces

The Bacon prank is basically a religious hatred crime is it not?You are highlighting it to prevent further religion based hatred crime I
imagine...

But we'd never get by without them. (economy an all that)

what is it they actually do, im still trying to work it out, i can see what a minority
do contributing but not "the majortity"

what a lovely breed

Sounds like 2 drunk geezers getting carried away.

That Mohammed Ali bloke was a right ....makes you glad you're not Muslm...

Last year some stupid father went to his kids school where his son had been told of by his female teacher and waited for her in the car park,then this cowardly piece of vermin punched her to ground and gave  her a kicking. Did he get locked up did he hell,this country needs to have a good look at itself.

You try to hurt people on here by calling them racist, P or P. Doesn't hurt me but the intention is there, should you get 8 months for hurting feelings?

twizzle22 01 Nov 16 22:18
The" criminal damage" charge is just to beef up the supposed offence of lobbing a few lumps of streaky about ..
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Twizzle -- you're getting your meats mixed up mate !!

And yet groups of Asians were seeming to get away with
chucking "lumps of white meat"  around without fear
of prosecution for years .. until recently when everyone said
"Hasn't racial correctness gone a tadge too far"
Or was it "a todge too far".

Muslims can do no wrong and can threaten anyone with death. They must always be apologised to. that seems to be the way of things at present, scissors.

Breedingmad 02 Nov 16 00:00 
You suggested it,that's how racial and religious hatred starts you asked for it and received the answer you wanted that is pretty obvious to anyone
with half a brain.


Breeding Mad
In my post about london which you accused me of  all sorts all I did was post a series of violent London incidents.  I have no idea who is involved.  It is just violence and it is a very dangerous place. Where have I said anything about religion in these incidents
What has it got to do with religion. You have raised it. What has it to do with muslims. I simply pointed out how violent london has becomed.

I most certainly have posted about attacks on muslims - the shopkeeper and the Imam (both sadly killed by other muslims)
Shame you didn't see those posts but then your blinkered view would not allow you as you wish to keep bringing religion into these killings/violence in London.

WHERE HAVE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MUSLIM INVOLVEMENT IN ANY OF THIS PLEASE?

It's you who mentions Muslims all the time and immigrants too.

No - the subject matter was London violence. At no time did I mention immigrants, muslims or foreigners as accused by you.
Go find even one hint of the above you accuse me of and come back to me with the evidence. All I posted was a series of violent incidents which involved a cross section of society - no religion has been mentioned by me or the reports.

Nov 2, 2016 -- 6:40AM, mobo wrote:

No - the subject matter was London violence. At no time did I mention immigrants, muslims or foreigners as accused by you.Go find even one hint of the above you accuse me of and come back to me with the evidence. All I posted was a series of violent incidents which involved a cross section of society - no religion has been mentioned by me or the reports.

People these days are looking for the slightest hint of something that they can pin on the migratns and muslims. If you said a man with a beard rammedhis car into a dog, there'll be people telling you how muslims are told by their religion to kill dogs and how the bearded man would be a hero for muslims when in fact he'd just be a drunken brit who had too much on the night out.

Brexit is a great example. If there was no refugee crisis, people wouldn't even have bothered to vote. As it turns out, the exit camp used the muslims to get the votes. My guess is its not too far before these same people will be happily paying a 'protection from muslims' tax :D

The sad part for most Muslims, is that it's they who will suffer the backlash and antagonism from people over sentences like these.

Yet it's the courts who are really stirring up racial trouble, by handing out disproportional sentences to people, for simply hurting the feelings of followers of this backward religion.

And another thing i really don't understand from the way people post here. They act like the government, media and the judicial system is protecting the muslims. Well, if all these 3 have failed you, don't you think you are already fecked? Is that also the fault of the muslims?

Europe is fecked, and you seem proud to have laid down for Islam, people here will resist longer than most.

a daft prank, nothing more.


hardly compares to walking into a mass service and cutting a priest's throat in front of everyone including children

ridiculous case..........should never have gone to court............bollocking would have sufficed

Platini what a stupid statement nobody compared it to your example

Compare it with a £50 fine for a Muslim burning poppies, 8 months in jail still seem fair?

Lots of stupidity on here but platini streaks through Usain-esque to take the gold by a distance.