What did the Government tell Nissan?

No-one knows what the tariffs will be.

Exactly.

So please calm down on the hysterics.

Relax.

If there are tariffs that strengthens the most inventive and creative country, that is England. Who would deny that?

Hysterics


The point is it doesn't matter. Businesses will want their slice of the £350M and this govt will give them it.

you get the feeling some on hear would have loved this factory to have closed or moved elsewhere.

Always a positive angle lfc

You are an inspiration.

Thank you zen for those kind words, it is nice, for a change.

How are we more creative when we import more from the EU than we export £290bn v £220bn. That surely says they create more than us.

: )

The point is it doesn't matter. Businesses will want their slice of the £350M and this govt will give them it.


Do you have any evidence for these assertions Pineapple or are you simply throwing darts in the dark?

Pineapple, do not underestimate the creative and industrial genius of this great country.

Most welcome lfc

Typical brexiters response of burying their heads in the sand and waiting for triple confirmed evidence rather than using their noggin. Just open your eyes, look at the number of corporations and banks assessing their position. "We might have to move as it will cost us more to operate here. How can you help Ms May?"


But no, let's go with the no running commentary line and hope for the best.

That's all well and good lfc but the facts and figures simply don't back up your romantic notion.

So you admit all you have is conspiracy theories Pineapple?

Banks do not create wealth, they are there to make money off the creative and scientific and technical ability of a nation, that's were England is unsurpassed, except perhaps by America.

Not conspiracy theories at all zen. Jesus, that the best you can do?

Credit where it is due to America, I love and honour facts.

Not conspiracy theories at all zen. Jesus, that the best you can do?


Ok, you admit that you can not elaborate?

Quick catch up for lfc:

Mini - German car manufactured in Cowley. Designed by a Europhile yank and his team in Germany

Honda - Japanese manufacturer, Civic and Jazz manufactured in Swindon. Designed in Japan.

Toyota - Japanese manufacturer, Auris and Avensis built in Derbyshire. Designed in Japan.



Not sure what Britain is bringing to the table here apart from assembly to be honest. I suppose we still have Jaguar Land Rover (a subsidiary of the Indian firm Tata) and Vauxhall (part of the American GM) but beyond that you're going pretty niche.

jesus, why does someone always have to admit something? You sound like my 4-year old.

I sense you getting a tad stroppy Pineapple, is it that time of the month?

the creative and scientific and technical ability of a nation, that's were England is unsurpassed

what century is this nostalgic man living in?

ozy, I'm still trying to figure him out. Sometimes I see him as the major from Fawlty Towers, others I think he's some inspired Chris Morris creation having a bit of fun.

keep stamping those feet remoaners

Did that guy ever respond if libtard meant liberal retard?

Libtard - a very accurate term.

I like it. I like it a lot.

A libtard wants to live in a fantasy world (in which life is the way that they WISH IT WAS) as opposed to dealing with life the way it actually is.

I think that perfectly describes purple & breeding imho

It is extremely accurate

Retard
delay or hold back in terms of progress or development.


"the worst thing that liberals can do is to retard the will of the people"

libtard.

It's Brexiters who are moving the country backwards they have a rose coloured spectacles view of Britain thinking they can go it alone
in the world as inward looking isolationists.If Federations are that bad how come the U.S is the strongest nation in the world?

USA are one of the most fooked up countries in the world, their only power is with the bomb, oh and maybe cheap labour which the rich companies adore.

Democracy.

Majority voted out.

Job done.

Next question.

(Remainers just don't get it. What's so hard to understand? ...

Again ...

Democracy.

Majority voted out.

HTH

Breeding mad obviously believes the UK should be a member of the eurozone and ruled by an EU high emperor.

He calls that progress.

A President voted in by member states it's called Democracy.

But we voted OUT of any federalised plans Breedingmad.

We did the democratic thingy.

We are in unchartered territory, so nobody knows how this is going to pan out especially as nobody knows what Brexit will look like, I'm sure crags will bump all of these threads in 5 years time at 3.47 in the morning to lets us know which of us were the smart arses and which were the laughing stocks

But the left are claiming they do know, even if most of their early predictions are yet to materialise.

you are quite correct s_h, it's early days and the bloc may have imploded on it's own by then.

The Plot thickens...
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/10/28/whats-really-going-on-with-nissan/

And from 2012...
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2230999/Nissan-sells-UK-cars-Switzerland-tax-ruse.html

Good to read nissan paid £22m in tax in 2015, more than goggle and apple.

so nissan sunderland only sell here or switzerland.

thats not an issue as even if nissan switzerland do sell to the eu its not illegal.

bt once out of the eu those cars get classed as third party...so if the swiss do decide to sell some into the eu a tarrif is imposed...based on the third country countries agreement.

if its a tax dodge then it needs to be looked at now

What have BT got to do with all of this ?

plus im surprised you have not mentioned subprime in your post.

For the next vote I propose that we should act by this range of results.


Remain vote.......Leave vote
Greater than 55% - Less than 45% then we should go for a "Hard" Remain
54-51%                 46-49% a "Soft" Remain
46-49%                 54-51% a "Soft" Brexit
Less than 45%       Greater than 55% then a "Hard" Brexit





50-50% a coin toss

wtf are you on about ibrahim?

bt = but

It's all to do with future innovations/investments regarding the next level of hybrid/ combustion alternative.

This makes perfect sense to me, for the UK to focus on and become the leading light of future innovation.
Investing in research and skills to benefit the car industry in the long term.

Obviously Nissan agree.

If there are tariffs that strengthens the most inventive and creative country, that is England. Who would deny that?

dont think there is much demand for steam engines anymore and anyway if there was any tariff would be collected by the government receiving the steam engines.

nice try bt obviously deluded.

that could've been offset if tim berners lee patented the world wide web when he invented it. Then everyone in the world would had to pay england a small licence fee everytime a domain name got registered.

Tariffs will stop inventive and creative people, you could not make this stuff up if you tried.

Nonsense, tariffs have zero effect on a nations creativity,  the vast majority of countries would never invent or create anything if left to their own devices. Elton John was English, that's all you need to know.

you must be reading something else ibrahim...you should stick to the koran.

There are almost no inventions or technical and creative and scientific advances that the English were not at the very forefront of, that is a simple fact.

Almost nothing that makes the modern world would exist without the genius of England.

That is why tariffs strengthen, not weaken, the moe creative and gifted nation. That is Britain.

were.....

as in once was a great nation when to came to inventing.

Yes it is in the hands of the younger generation in Britain, are they as creative and intelligent as previous generations. Those who voted Brexit have faith in Britain they will have to buckle down and stop being so needy. Nothing is so contemptible as neediness.

dont think you really understand lfc.

we dont get the benefit of cash generated from tariffs.
we get the benefits if we invent goods no one else can make.

tariffs just make it pricier to sell abroad.
maybe your trying to say having a tariff actually helps sell goods?

if you are please explain lol

G1 doesn't understand

Yes it is in the hands of the younger generation in Britain, are they as creative and intelligent as previous generations. Those who voted Brexit have faith in Britain they will have to buckle down and stop being so needy. Nothing is so contemptible as neediness.

wish it was in the hands of the younger generation.

bt er but as you well know....non eu immigration and companies in particular search for experienced workers abroad.

wanting to be educated to a high standard has its drawbacks in this country.
fees...living costs etc.
you need to be well backed to improve yourself.

i think your talking in an idealistic way rather than a realistic one

I am saying that the country that invents new and innovative products is the country that becomes wealthy. A country does not become wealthy by selling things at the cheapest possible price. That simply drives down wages and conditions and well being of a good and thriving country and economy. Forget about tariffs they are meaningless and are used merely as a means to exert political influence.

Instead of competing on price G1
One has to compete on innovation

This actually ties in with the Government commitment with Nissan.

so zen
are you saying having tariffs increases business?

A successful country does not need millions of people educated to university level. The vast majority of people can be replaced by 100 , 1000 other people without any effect.

To be s great and successful country only requires about 7 really gifted and talented people. That was never a problem for Britain in the past .

Tariffs increase thinking outside the box/ innovation G1
Hence evolves business, creating business through new technology.

Elton John was English, that's all you need to know.


....and when faced with a 90% tax hike on his earnings back in the 70's....he foooked off to america.

The wealth of Europe over the last 40 years is built on the creative genius of 3 or 4 young men in Californian in the 1970s
They and almost they alone are responsible for stopping the slide into economic chaos , but time is now up

Steve Wazniak the most important of all

agree to a point but when it comes to peoples personal goals if oportunities are being red taped by prohibitive costs, companies recruiting from other nations etc what are they supposed to look forward to?
a low paid job with high living costs?

The computer revolution created millions of jobs and great wealth, but it only stalled the decline.

So that is what I am saying. Britain needs perhaps 3 or 4 people that is all. Not millions of people. If England or the US cannot do it who can? Someone has to come up with something revolutionary that creates jobs and wealth.

yes but a missed opportunity that I expressed in my post at 11:24

Opportunities open up through new investment and skill goals, it evolves.

If the skills and are created through the UK education system and technologies are created through UK research  then companies will see a UK location as a benefit.

The City will be freed up from EU corporatism also, there will be winners and losers G1 but Brexit opens up many more doors with a positive attitude to the challenge.

The wealth of Europe over the last 40 years is built on the creative genius of 3 or 4 young men in Californian in the 1970s
They and almost they alone are responsible for stopping the slide into economic chaos , but time is now up

wrong on the last bit.

europe suffered post subprime...there yer go ibrahim .

boom and bust as settled...bottomed out.
they have a great platform to grow from.

if they get some of their people back from the uk that will only help growth....and hinder us at the same time.
think it would be inevitable anyway over time...but dont get why we are pushing the self destruct button now.

surely its best to micro manage in the time before that happens and then leave if we are in a position to leave?

just waffling on about how inventive we are or how we will e innovative doesnt wash.

if the figures dont stack up for companies who invested here they will move anyway....including missan

Scotland should subsidise the nissan tarriff free deal, via a reduction in the barnett forumala.

What tariff free deal for Nissan?

The conspiracy continues......

Can the government guarantee Nissan this, May says it will be part of the BRexit negotiations.

What if Merkel refuses it, does that mean we will have to stay in the EU, not what people voted for is it!

When did May say that Gery?

And who has said Nissan will get a tariff free deal?

Greg Clark hasn't said there was any deal for Nissan.

It's been no secret that the UK will be negotiating for tariff free access.

Nothing to see here.

Well it is on the BBC red button

Greg Clark has assured Nissan the UK will be seeking a tariff free access to the EU market for the motor industry.

It is on the red button now!

as part of the Brexit talks

Yes the UK is seeking tariff free access full stop.

This is not an exclusive Gery

Again it is not a deal for Nissan

Well why doesn't the govt publish their letter to nissan?

btw the biggest irony to me is that a government that blocked the EU from imposing punitive dumping sanctions on Chinese steel, suddenly gives all sorts of undertakings with taxpayer's funds to keep the brextits happy in their fantasy world as long as possible.

Well why doesn't the govt publish their letter to nissan?


If it publishes one it will be asked to publish them all won't it?
Then you end up with the micro management interpretations that ask for a million responses.

When does this Brexit hysteria stop and let the government get on with it ?

Agree treetop...I was not claiming an exclusive there Zen

Yes tt, when will it ever end. Never is the answer. I am resigned to that, even good news will be disappointing to the Remainers.

No worries Gery, but it's not really news that the Gov want to negotiate for zero tariff access.
They may prioritise the car industry in negotiations and use this industry as leverage because as we know, those German manufacturers are nervous of the uncertainty also.

They have to release the letter sooner or later due to a freedom of information order

I imagine (I don't know) that Brexit woters voted out for a variety of reasons.

My reason was that I wanted out of a corrupt organisation (year on year critised by auditors for poor control over spending).

We live in a democracy, the majority voted to leave the EU.

That's it, move on.

But we get a never ending moan from some remainers.
Do these people moan about every democratic vote that doesn't go their way?

We were denied a vote on Maastricht by deceit and we were denied a vote on Lisbon by deceit,both decisions that influenced my opinion about our politcians significantly. If membership of the EU and closer integration was such a good thing why did they consistently try to deny us the chance to confirm that ?

The media and politicians, keep talking about different kinds of Brexit...as far as I am aware there is only one, in or out.

I assume we can trade with EU after we are out, but would not get tariff free trade

Confused?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/theresa-may-loses-...

http://newsthump.com/2016/10/31/nissan-to-keep-sunderland-plant-open-after-g...

with junker and co desperate to give the uk a bloody nose over brexit and nissan going public over their threat to leave,maybe the question should be,
WHAT DIDNT THE EU OFFER NISSAN , TO LEAVE THE UK,

An interesting viewpoint ftp, I am sure Ghosen would have been happy to listen to EU if he could take it to France,perhaps the Japanese had a say ?

The EU export a lot of cars to us from Germany, France, Italy, etc.

So perhaps they agreed that all cars will be tariff free, either way?

We run a trade deficit with the EU, so in a way we would be better not trading with them at all, one could argue?

A £14 billion Swedish investment bank sold all its UK assets to avoid the pain of Brexit

There was a reason for not starting article 50 it was to see if the economy crashed ,if things begin to look very
bleak I can't see any government triggering it unless they are suicidal.