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Ron-Russian
15 Oct 16 19:25
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Has anyone else been attacked by this scam, all a sudden i'm getting
regular 5 digit Text message cr@p that you automatically delete! but
unbeknown to me every Txt you receive = £4.50.....last months mobile phone
bill i thought was odd, £27 extra, & again this month the same 6 x £4.50's,


There's apparently even a phone scam where if you don't answer the
phone you still get charged a Premium Rate number.....from what i've read
Vodafone phones users are at most risk

New 0845 mobile phone scam charges customers £300 for calls they don't make

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http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/668549/UK-Mobile-Phone-EE-Vodafone-Three-Scam-Text-Message
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Report TheBetterBettor October 15, 2016 7:53 PM BST
I just have a 'pay-as-you go' phone and keep my balance CONSTANTLY under £2.50...I don't get the unsolicited text messages so I never get stung.
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 8:00 PM BST
I'll see what happens in the next few days, i suffered last months as didn't
realise what was happening, again they've been in & had another 27 quid this month.

Unbelievably now the advice is to Text STOP to something you never even asked for,
where as in the past you told just ignore, don't reply to them....there's a site
that apparently take steps to get your money back, as vodafones advise was to give
me a direct number to ring the company that are scamming you!! Crazy
That don't sound a good idea!

site to check numbers & report numbers below...

http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 8:03 PM BST
*advice.

There was one case where a bloke was done for 100's in a month & he only ever used his phone
as an emergency
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 8:40 PM BST
had another one at 18.58 tonight, just deleted it didn't even open it,

just looked at my bill and another £4.50 gone through ffs
Report Ibrahima Sonko October 15, 2016 8:46 PM BST
I dont even reply to texts from people i know. Devil
Report TheBetterBettor October 15, 2016 8:51 PM BST
texting STOP or STOP ALL charges you another fiver...plus by replying they know that your number is legit and then sell your number to other companies.

Like I said in my first post.....ditch the sim and go PAYG.
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 8:53 PM BST
Its a 2 year contract on a near brand new phone
Report TheBetterBettor October 15, 2016 8:55 PM BST
You could phone them up and get the number changed.....but that could be another headache for you.
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:00 PM BST
Whats the benefit in letting someone set up a Premium Text message service
where they can send you a Text & the receiver gets charged £4.50.

I can't think of anything except to scam someone?

Even if you genuinely subscribed to something it seems a very strange way to
part with money Confused
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:04 PM BST
I reckon its been done deliberate to stop me concentrating on the Trump campaign Sad
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:11 PM BST
That's the advice vodafone give out TBB.

Ie Text STOP to the number, they reckon they can't stop it, but guess they quite
happily take their whack.

That's why i said before, the advice was just ignore don't reply to such Texts.

I managed to cancel 1 of the numbers this morning , that cost 12p
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:14 PM BST
82450
80898
64502


That's 3 of the numbers, if you google them its an on going scam where people are
being absolutely ripped off
Report Ibrahima Sonko October 15, 2016 9:23 PM BST
surely delete is much easier ?
Report Shab October 15, 2016 9:24 PM BST
Well if it was me I would threaten to sue Vodafone for harassment for sending me texts they know are wrong and are stressing me to a point of ill health.
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:30 PM BST
I tried that earlier Ibra, i could see a message had arrived & could see
what it was, never opened it , just deleted it!  then as said checked my bill
& it wen't through as a charge of £4.50 at 18.58 tonight.

I've told them twice i'll cancel my direct debit it its not sorted Shab.
One v/fone employee told me they can bar premium charge texts & calls so i said
yeah do it....since then i got another, contacted vodafone tonight and now im being told
they can't bar Premium numbers
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:32 PM BST
as soon as they send the Text your charged as silly as it sounds
Report Ibrahima Sonko October 15, 2016 9:36 PM BST
You need to phone your provider.
Report Ron-Russian October 15, 2016 9:41 PM BST
Done it this morning Ibra.

He told me what the numbers were & told me to Text STOP to them while
he was still on the phone which i done......& he said he's put a bar for Premium
Rate number call & texts on my phone.....well he never done that because i got another
one tonight at 18.58.

i know it not a fortune but its blatant thieving....some days im getting two in one
day, £9 (greedy sods)
Report Ron-Russian December 10, 2016 12:14 AM GMT
remember this thread....people are being stung, old vulnerable etc

i have the way out.........i've done the detective work myself, these short code scam numbers operate
from the same platform, im sure the phone companies are in on it for a large percent of the money taken.

The platform runner is Veoo, as you'll get next to no help from your phone provider.

Contact number: 08001577502
Report Ron-Russian December 10, 2016 12:25 AM GMT
This is serious stuff - remember this thread, someone you know will
be taken for a ride
Report Capt__F December 10, 2016 12:26 AM GMT
barstoots
Report Ron-Russian December 10, 2016 1:16 AM GMT
I'm with Vodafone Capt.

on settings there's 3 (dealing with Premium Texts) 2 you can bar, or if you speak to vodafone
they will set the bar for you - they tell you this will block them (it don't)

the one setting that obviously will block it says (your not eligible)

The p1ss take of this scam is you never ever signed up to anything,

all of a sudden you just start accumulating £4.50 time and time again by just
receiving a Text
Report Mr Spock December 10, 2016 8:05 AM GMT
Ron, if Vodafone cant sort it I'd threaten them with Ofcom.
Report donny osmond December 10, 2016 11:55 AM GMT
small claims court job imo

small action against service provider



i very much doubt they would even turn up
Report Coachbuster December 10, 2016 12:05 PM GMT
it seems companies can get away with what they like
Report TheBetterBettor December 11, 2016 2:05 PM GMT
Can u ask them if you can still continue with your obligated monthly payments via direct debit, to pay off for the free phone and internet access etc..... But have all your call and text charges on a separate 'pay-as you go' basis?

So you can do what I advised you to do in my post on 15 Oct 19:53.... without getting a nasty withdrawals from your bank account.
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 2:25 PM GMT
They (the phone companies) will try to help but they'll state its nothing to do with them the Texts are
from a 3rd party.
Vodafone gave me money back, ie we'll give you £20 off this months bill, which seemed odd if the Texts were
not benefiting them.

The phone regulator is PSA http://psauthority.org.uk/

They open investigations in to these Text scams, They gave me the number of Veoo https://www.veoo.com/
who operate the platform that the short code Text scams run off, after speaking to veoo they blocked the companies
operating of their platform from sending the Texts.

re pay as you go, people say if the moneys not there they obviously can't take £4.50 but that won't stop the weekly or daily
Texts, so unless you keep your balance very low for the majority of time chances are they will get through when the credits there.

Its still going on - just check this search below........

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=premium%20rate%20text%20scams
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 2:30 PM GMT
Last month it was revealed how some mobile phone customers have been victims of a new 0845 mobile phone scam charging customers up to £300 for calls they didn't make.

There's a new scam apparently where all they need do is ring your phone, even if you don't answer you get billed
Report donny osmond December 11, 2016 2:34 PM GMT
send details to watchdog, let bbc do something good for you

stick it on moneysavers forum

take it small claims court


scammers hate publicity !
Report dustybin December 11, 2016 2:43 PM GMT
The only difference between these actions and the vast majority of enterprise is that these arnt attempting to hide the lying and cheating.
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 2:44 PM GMT
My phones all sorted now donny!.....i probably lost around £80, but it was the annoyance
of not being able to stop it,

But its still going on , just check the google link a couple of posts back
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 2:47 PM GMT
That Phone regulator shut one of the numbers down that was sending them, all they did was started operating
from a different number the next day
Report dustybin December 11, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
Thats because business is considered sacrosanct within the western world, the raison d'etre of the human race apparently and thus wont ever go the proper lengths to reign in opportunism.
Report TheBetterBettor December 11, 2016 2:55 PM GMT
Ron-Russian 11 Dec 16 14:44 Joined: 18 Dec 10 | Topic/replies: 10,883 | Blogger: Ron-Russian's blog


My phones all sorted now donny!



What did they do to sort it out? how do u know it aint gonna happen again?  The whole thing puts me right off going on contract
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/household-bills/11328500/Premium-rate-text-trap-retired-vicar-billed-200-for-gambling-texts-he-didnt-want.html

The above case where a Vicar gets stung is from 2 years ago, both the companies mentioned,
TxtPlayWin & Gresham mobile were fined, they were the companies are was receiving them
from unbelievably - so 2 years on & still going strong
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
What did they do to sort it out? how do u know it aint gonna happen again?  The whole thing puts me right off going on contract

Yes it puts you off having a contract mobile, i won't be renewing as you can see things
like this getting worse in the future? maybe

How did i get them to stop....

i've done the detective work myself, these short code scam numbers operate
from the same platform, im sure the phone companies are in on it for a large percent of the money taken.

The platform runner is Veoo, as you'll get next to no help from your phone provider.

The Text scams operate through Veoos platform, after ringing them on the above number
they said they'd Block the companies using their platform, and touch wood it seems to
have worked

Contact number: 08001577502
Report donny osmond December 11, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
good to hear you got it sorted ron


some kids i know dont even check their bills so would not know
if they were being scammed

nephew said he had a £70 bill one month ....whats that for i said, no idea was the reply !

guess its easy money for scammers these daze
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 3:26 PM GMT
i ignored the first month even though it was double what it normally was, then
when the next months was even more checked my usage & could clearly see what was
going on.
After speaking to Veoo the woman was very helpful & blocked them, the last Text was
from Veoo which said

FreeMsg: You have
been successfully
blocked from receiving
Premium SMS
messages
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 3:30 PM GMT
Had a bill phone once got a free tablet and 32 inch telly

After one month they wanted about 90 quid so i sold the phone and bumped the bills and got the free telly and tablet and never heard from them much
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 3:31 PM GMT
Can't believe a man that talks like Ron is hooked up to mobile phone bills when he knows it's all a scam

With Pay as you go you get unlimited texts and 100s of minutes for £10 or so a month these days
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
I'm only 4 months into a new contract, guess the temptation of a new phone,
I'll be looking for a pay as you go type in the future
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
Set your own premium number up

Then hammer that number with your mobile and let the thing go into overdrive until they cut it

Then collect your cash from the number you where phoning

That is the way to fck with them if they fkc with you
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
That was thing that was so annoying , im threatening i won't pay my bill etc unless
they sort it but the only loser out of that would be me, cut off, bad credit & the
rest of the contract passed on to a debt collectors i guess.
i won't be tying myself up again when this one ends
Report Jayco December 11, 2016 5:32 PM GMT
Will blocking the number work?
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
No.

It'll stop you receiving the Text but once its sent from the senders end your billed.
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 5:39 PM GMT
Demand a new sim or you won't pay bill and if that fails just say it got stolen
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 5:40 PM GMT
If no sim just then new number

New phones are only here to cause people trouble and make more money for scammers

Why invent all this new technology and yet the scams still exist.I'm quite sure that the companies play a part in it tbh no way they can't stop those dodgy texts.
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
These Premium Text companies say to sign up you need to register with them then
they'll send you an activation code for you to enter, this starts the
subscription service.

Yet nearly everyone has no idea how they ever got registered in the first place.
Im sure people would remember going through the above.

I read somewhere the phone companies are in on it & take as much as 75% of the £4.50?

My opinion its one big scam & they're all in it together
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 5:57 PM GMT
Customers across all networks have complained of seeing their bills soar after being sent unwanted messages from five-digit numbers advertising gaming services, “glamour videos” and porn. come on Ron what you download Laugh


"The regulator needs to be given the powers to act decisively in this area as it clearly doesn’t have the power, both financially and operationally to crack down on these companies.

"The big question
is why aren’t phone companies doing more to ensure that customers are aware of the costs of these messages?"
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
Vodafone told ITV News it receives "a small percentage of the overall charge" that premium rate text firms charges customers.

Network O2 would not confirm if its makes a profit, but said that it pays an independent audit house to "continuously and proactively" monitor websites and apps offering premium text services to check that "their payment flows are compliant with PhonepayPlus and our own internal audit standards."

EE and Three refused to comment.




SCAM


REFUSE TO PAY AND THEY WILL DOCK IT MAYBE
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:10 PM GMT
I was getting calls on my landline telling me to log into my pc and go to run and type some sh1t in as windows was damaged but i knew from the off if was dodgy as my pc was bought online and never registered it anywhere for them to have my number.I googled the number and seen a scam where you type sh1t into run and they take over your computer.

Anyway i got a call showing my local area code a few months after and it was them again just shows the sneaky feckers can pretend they are local.
Report unitedbiscuits December 11, 2016 6:12 PM GMT
Capitalism.
The scumbag scalpers want to stay "under the radar" by presenting a bill under £30 each month.
The service provider, Vodafone here, sees this happening in tens of thousands of instances each month, dealing with the small percentage who complain on a "case by case" basis.
The toothless "watchdog" whines that the scam money is sent abroad, where they have no jurisdiction.
I'm not trying to be a keyboard-liar but no service provider will go to court for nonpayment on this basis, because the implications of losing raise huge liabilities.
Just saying.
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 6:13 PM GMT
Its all sorted now Chaser.

Since the 22nd of November i've not had any, but i would be interested how or who
signed me up.

Vodafone say you must have clicked a link on the internet without knowing or something?

Even if that was the case (which i doubt) i can't see how that allows someone to start
thieving £4.50 after £4.50 off you.

Your signed up by someone that has your details, thinking about it you could really stitch someone up if you was that way inclined? all you need is their number name etc

Look at this...

Once you have subscribed to the 12Prizes competition service (£4.50 per week until you send STOP to 82450) you can access the quiz competition service weekly per premium sms text.  The service operates with a PIN code prior to the start of the service in order to activate the service. The PIN code is delivered and secured by an independent third party

i never received anything? blatant thieving
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:14 PM GMT
I never paid mine and here nothing kept all the so called presents also

Just chuck it away and say it got nicked and get on payg
Report unitedbiscuits December 11, 2016 6:15 PM GMT
Fruedian slip: Not keyboard-liar, keyboard-lawyer.
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:19 PM GMT
Vodafone said: ‘The customer is contracting with the third party merchant so we always advise customers to contact them … If this doesn’t resolve the issue, we try and help in any way we can.’
A Three spokesman said: ‘We have clear rules on premium rate messaging … and work closely with the regulator to take action against providers who don’t meet our standards.’
Vodafone admits making a ‘small margin’ on the texts. O2, EE and Three would not confirm if they make any profit.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580058/Thousands-hit-4-50-time-scam...
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They make cash but expect the customer to do all the chasing

For what it's worth mine was Vodafone also Laugh £90 or so for a month they wanted i thought i ahd free texts but no they wouldn't listen so i jsut said ok i will cancel contract.They said but this is 24 month etc and i was like i won't be paying DB is cancelled.Then they hit me with but credit rating will be effected i said it was screwed before you gave me all this for sh1te
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 6:23 PM GMT
Yeah your really going to give the company a bell that are already scamming you,
they tried telling me that
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:24 PM GMT
Laugh
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:25 PM GMT
DD ( direct Debit ) not DB
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:28 PM GMT
Call up... Hello scammer you keep texting me and it costs £4.50 a time can you stop please

Scammer ... Yeah no problem we will just text you now and send a text back saying STOP

Costs a tenner this time probably as your onto them so they need to take you out faster

Call back... Oh scammer you took another tenner

Scammer..... Oh sorry for that why don't we make this easier for a full refund i will need you 16 digit code ......
Report Ron-Russian December 11, 2016 6:37 PM GMT
Its infuriating because they're sent at specific times ie 15:30 on a Saturday etc,

so you can spend long periods of time on the phone being assured by VF that's the end of it, you will not receive anymore i can assure you then when the time comes through the
Text comes..........i must have rung Vodafone 10 times at least.
First time the chap on the phone stayed there while i sent STOP to one number, it worked
& it said your now unsubscribed Happy - unfortunately though i was signed up to a new number
which sent one a few hours later Cry
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
Grin

yeah they like to stay on the phone and give tutorials these days

they walked me through re-setting my online bank password ( real masters of technology ) i had the phone on the floor
Report unitedbiscuits December 11, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
It would be great if there was an online site detailing scammers phone no's and addresses.
The coalition of the willing with five online minutes to spare ( all of us) could attack in a coordinated fashion.
Report TheChaser December 11, 2016 7:03 PM GMT
http://www.scamadviser.com/

if scammed online check here and you may get the number if they are stupid enough

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