Brexit denial thread

if i wanted to be in the minority amongst migrants id have moved to calais

birmingham?

bradford etc,etc.

i rest my case

not from europe thou?

England didn`t get to be the greatest country in the world by listening to Holland, or some pillock called Soros!

if I am not mistaken Soros is a Greek name, that`s all you need to know

hate to break the news lfc

England Patron Saint

Saint George (Greek: Γεώργιος Geṓrgios; Latin: Georgius; AD 275–281 to 23 April 303), was a Roman soldier of Greek origin

the point being integration and volume of people changing the demographic to it becoming unrecognisable from its original status due to mass immigration.

maybe should read lack of integration

don`t talk such nonsense xmoney St George was English!

also the patron saint of holland i believe

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/st-georges-day-2015-as-google-doodle-marks-englands-patron-saint-here-are-some-facts-that-may-10196496.html


the truth hurts

that was King Billy, xmomeyx knows that at least

anti British propaganda, there were no noble knights that were not English.
England invented the idea of the nobile knight and here is something you may not know either

England invented the idea of romantic love at the same time as the noble knight

such things had not existed before England invented them

in truth love did not exist in its modern meaning until England invented in about the 12ceutuary

I will let you ponder that, most of you will not understand it

lfc i think you need to write a book so that future generations can appreciate your great philosophical insights.

lfc

How about pondering yourself back into gainful employment rather than sitting here gloryfing the past?

like henry the VIII love

thankyou for your kind words jollyswagman, Ozymandius I have enough money to get by, even a new suit makes me unhappy.

Why should I be what I am not, and not be what I am, that would be stupid

xmomeyx pipe down.

i always found oliver cromwell to be the benchmark of a great english ruler,strong and charismatic.

I just don't want millions and millions more foreigners in my country.  The problem is you have organisations working to flood the place further.  Big problem is the cult that has embedded itself deep into the country and the demographic is going to change radically - that will determine hegemony of one group eventually.

I just don't want millions and millions more foreigners in my country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10185342/Britain-needs-millions-more-immigrants-to-reduce-strain-of-ageing-population.html

To accusers of me being a Guardian reader

my fav jacket cost me 50p Oxfam

£9 to dry clean it

i hardly think replacing english with uneducated and unskilled romanian and albanians is the answer

you haven't been watching history channel barbarians

i suppose we could look forward to becoming an annex of eastern europe.

You can't just follow that system of growth Breedingmad or else you will gridlock the island or concrete the island with more roads and towns.

There needs to be another way of collecting taxations to pay for pensions.
There needs to be another way of caring for the elderly.

Problem- we have too many people and can't look after them all

Answer- throw a few million more people in

Yes, but you haven't got an answer like most Brexiters you look with a critical eye and spout nonsense
but fail to come up with a solution.

Why not just shoot anyone over 70 hey presto problem solved.

But Breedingmad, you are not solving anything by kicking the can down the road. The same problem will continue to happen as the population grows exponentially.

Ponzi schemes are illegal for a reason. They always fail. The UK pension system is a classic Ponzi scheme. It will fail unless we do something.

Bringing in millions of low paid workers ( and benefit tourists) who probably take out more in top ups than they pay in tax is the solution then?

get a better pension at 65 if you shoot yourself 70

Voting for E.U exit for border control to suit the needs of the B.N.P ,U.K.I.P, E.D.L and Right wing Conservatives will only make
it harder to raise taxes for the pensions of our aging population in this Country.

How much do low skilled EU workers contribute to pensions Breedingmad?

After you deduct tax credits, child benefit, free child care, schooling, health care...?

Like all Remainers you can't offer that figure.

O.K then give me the figures you seem to be well informed

You missed out the working class vote that wants border controls.

" to suit the needs of the  B.N.P ,U.K.I.P, E.D.L and Right wing Conservatives"



That'll be over half the voting population then? You speak as though most of the, country agrees with you, time to realise that you are the minority.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/

Yes I'm the 48.1 %

"There is no single "correct" answer to the question of how much migrants contribute to public finances"


No point reading that then.

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The UK Government has agreed that Brexit is not legally binding

I think you'll find quite a few of the 48% voted out of fear, despite being against uncontrolled immigration.

Give it up Breedingmad

You are grouping EPL footballers with pallet stackers at a cake factory...

A visa system will discourage the pallet stackers who are either beneficiaries or contributors depending on their top ups or access to child benefit, childcare, schooling, healthcare etc...

There is no single "correct" estimate of this impact. Results of existing studies all depend on the methodology and the assumptions researchers must make
(for example, about whether to include the costs of educating UK-born children of migrants).

If there is no correct answer you voted on a whim because you don't like immigrants

Getting your car washed has become much cheaper.

And I foolishly voted OUT, without fully appreciating the economic benefits of mass immigration.

Breeding mad

Non-EU nations require access via a visa system. Are you offended by that?

No I'm not. Lets go over another thing the Brexiters said about what the E.U had done to Greece and the high unemployment in Spain
also the fault of the E.U. A few months later nobody over here can afford to holiday in those countries after the fall of the pound
thus creating higher unemployment both here and in the rest of he E.U.

Name one positive thing that has happened since Brexit that justifies why you voted out?

The economy is booming Breeding mad.
Foreign investment is flooding in.
Exports are soaring, as is tourism.
The FTSE 100/250 have exceeded all projections

Greece and Spain are victims of a currency that they can not devalue.
Sterling is a floating currency.

When you say nobody can afford to holiday in Greece or Spain, is that you just being hysterical?

Name one positive thing that has happened since Brexit that justifies why you voted out?


Just one thing.
We are still in the EU. hth

Never mind all that zen, get with the plan. All those who voted out are racists, all those who voted in did so because they want unlimited immigration.

Saddo

This typifies the Remainiacs.

One minute Leave voters are ALL racists.
The next minute terms and conditions should not revolve around ending free-movement because there is no guarantee that was the number one reason why people voted Leave.

They come from the school of Cleggy.

I fear they know their utopia will never come about, but like Merkel they will take a long time to admit it, meanwhile the rhetoric will continue until they can think of a way to climb down.

Hilary Benn will probably be voted in to Chair the committee for scrutinising the governments 'final deal' for leaving the EU.

How this will be played out will be interesting, because he will claim that Leave voters are more sophisticated than originally believed. That regaining absolute sovereignty was the main reason, the want of a direct democracy was at the forefront of a vote to Leave the EU.

What a u-turn from the 'Leave voters are bigoted, xenophobes or out and out racists.'
What a dishonest bunch these Remainers are.

^strawman^

Oct 18, 2016 -- 5:55PM, saddo wrote:

I fear they know their utopia will never come about, but like Merkel they will take a long time to admit it, meanwhile the rhetoric will continue until they can think of a way to climb down.

You know

Back in the day it was "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh, those dudes from the tribe 10 metres from here are horrible. They're savages, will not integrate and are stupid" (maybe not quite in those words)
Then that same thing applied to people from a neighbouring town, state, country, continent, you name it.
The Irish catholics in the USA faced heavy discrimination (actually it was the same with catholics and protestants over here in Europe), were considered drunk and violent thugs that will never ever integrate in the slightest and their women were slutty birth machines that were threatening the protestant majority. The men are still considered drunk thugs, but people don't really hate preach against the irish or catholics in general anymore.

People captured and enslaved other races and ethnicities, sometimes put them into zoo and wandering circus cages.

Then we claimed the money jews are trying to take over the world.

We've come through all that to see that the people from neighbouring tribes aren't actually all that bad and other races maybe should not be put into cages.

It's sad to see that humanity keeps doing the same thing over and over again, but slowly we expand our tolerance and are getting along a bit more each day. Given that we have expanded and learned about each other so much already, is it really that much of a unreachable utopia that one day we'll learn to all..you know....just hug? Why just be negative, give up and say "this will never come true" instead of working towards a good future for the planet? Will not be our generation, might not be our sons', but one day....wouldn't that be neat?

A good article here from 2002 shocking we haven't changed much...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/08/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices

We've come through all that to see that the people from neighbouring tribes aren't actually all that bad "

Really? I think multiculturalism in this country was doing fine for fifty years until they decided to ramp the speed up and change the country beyond recognition within a generation. Too much too soon, and as a result they have managed to divide the country absolutely.

Given that we have expanded and learned about each other so much already, is it really that much of a unreachable utopia that one day we'll learn to all..you know....just hug?

Brexit Reasons Were, And factors..

Terrorist Religious  Attacks all over Europe (fear)Strangely Gone quite

The removal of Cameron and His Side kick Silly Bollix..

Cap On immos ..

Get away from silly European Laws ..

The hope that British Industries such as Farming and Fishing among others maight be better off ...

I dont think Immos were the Main Factor 90% of the country dont have a Problem
with Swarms of Akhbars ...

We haven't divided it's just racism lies under the surface and it has been re awoken by the papers and by the media
allowing people like Farage and Nick Griffin before him a voice.Some people are easily deceived others not.

Ok, I obviously can't speak about the UK being changed beyond recognition.

In Germany the birds still sing (though tbf especially smaller birds have started living more in towns due to pesticides destroying the food situation outside of human settlements), you can still eat big fat sausages just about everywhere, bread is dark-ish, beer is cool and allowed from 16 onwards, sandals and socks are fashionable, David Hasselhoff concerts are filling giant arenas, and without fail there's at least one really grumpy old allotment holder in every area that makes life hell for all the other hobby gardeners.

Basically, life is more or less the same as always over here.

EDY with all due Respect I dont think the Young Religious Chaps would be Bothering  you

Might be slightly Different if you have a young Daughter ,Ask her if she feels Threatened

By gangs of them hanging around ?

Terrorist Religious  Attacks all over Europe (fear)Strangely Gone quite
Not the fault of the E.U.
The removal of Cameron and His Side kick Silly Bollix..
You still have a Tory Government.
Get away from silly European Laws ..
The laws weren't stupid and they saved our Parliament time and money
and made the lives of our MP' far simpler.
The hope that British Industries such as Farming and Fishing among others maight be better off ...
We made the lives of our fisherman difficult and farmers will lose their subsidies.

Well it cant be Immigration Breeding Coz the Majority of places that Voted for Brexit in England dont have that Problem ?

Sunderland for Instance has to be I would say 98% English ,do you think they were worried about an invasion from the North Sea ?

How are the Terrorist Attacks not the EU Fault ?

allowing people like Farage and Nick Griffin before him a voice.Some people are easily deceived others not.


Farage was challenging EU bureaucracy while you was in nappies breeding man.
Since 2003 and the Maastricht Treaty (google it)
11 years before the 2004 expansion of the EU, resulting in the free-movement issues.

I don't blame you for not knowing all this because you have been conditioned by the BBC.

In Germany, areas with low immigration levels seem especially susceptible to a bit of xenophobia (I'd assume that's what the press does to you if you don't have a chance to actually meet immigrants).

You've probably heard about Pegida (if you haven't, an anti-islamisation protest group). Started and at its strongest in a state that had a whopping 0.1% muslims at the time. Will be more now, but still not that much. NPD (Germany's openly racist party) has its stronghold in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and there at its strongest around Anklam. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is over 96% white German. Don't know the number for Anklam, but even whiter than those 96%.

Would it be outlandish of me to think that similar dynamics could be true about other countries like the UK?

We made the lives of our fisherman difficult and farmers will lose their subsidies.


Rich French landowners will take a hit without the UK funding.
Rich UK landowners (Queen included) can take a hit.
UK farmers have a real opportunity for progression and a system that works for them.
We will be buying British, it will bare it's own fruits.

Yes and EU rules allowing Lunatic Religious Types to wander from country to Country had nothing to do with any of the Attacks ..

Spot on Zen Re Farming the Industry has been devastated over the Years ..

I imagine that if the UK voted to Remain in the EU then those far right dynamics would have swelled edy.
If Parliament interferes enough and TMay wilts on ending free-movement then those dynamics will raise it's head rather more.

See, you need balance. Obviously in Germany you have no balance, you are unaware of the tipping point. Hence why German populist parties are on the surge.

Will you blame the UK rules if Lunatic Religious Types from London attack Glasgow?

I'm sure you're glad that there are no fences and walls between England and Scotland. I am glad that we don't have a wall between Germany and France. Lunatic Religious Types with murderous intent would find a way to get across borders either way. Do you know how much "green border" there is unless we build walls around our entire countries?

The GDR had one of the most tightly secured borders of all time. Walls, fences, armed guards, ordered to kill anyone who crosses without permission, mines and self-shooting devices. Cars literally being taken apart. Tighter controlled than anything imaginable today. Yet people were able to flee.

edy    18 Oct 16 21:56 
(I'd assume that's what the press does to you if you don't have a chance to actually meet immigrants).



Surprised to see you post anything so patronising edy.

Why don't you go attack Gary Lineker along with your other racist friends

The treatment by some towards these young refugees is hideously racist and utterly heartless. What's happening to our country?

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker

Oct 18, 2016 -- 10:07PM, saddo wrote:

edy    18 Oct 16 21:56   (I'd assume that's what the press does to you if you don't have a chance to actually meet immigrants). Surprised to see you post anything so patronising edy.

patronising? Described simple human nature that affects everyone.

You suggested that the people who don't want more immigrants have never met any, patronising and quite ridiculous, edy.

No, that's not what I said. I said that the overall immigrant picture of people from low immigration areas is going to be more heavily influenced by only the press, which heavily favours reporting only the bad things, creating a skewed picture, more fear and anxiety, than people from higher immigration areas whose picture will be created from more of a mix of both the press and personal experience.

Of course you can be against immigration for a whole host of reasons no matter where you live or if you meet immigrants every day.

Gary Lineker is a BBC puppet.

No surprises.

This is what Lineker posted on twitter about Farage during the EU debate.

Whatever the result, Farage will always be a dick.


Yup, if you can't debate, resort to the 'dick' word

Gary Lineker is a Multi Millionaire who is only Interested in his Dick ,Amything in a Skirt imo

Can't agree with the press reporting only bad things edy. I have been staggered to see press censorship on migrant crimes this last year or more.

How many positive migrant stories have you seen?

especially in the likes of Daily Express and Mail

Breedingmad    18 Oct 16 22:07 
Why don't you go attack Gary Lineker along with your other racist friends


Why don't you go and help some of em out? Easier to spout righteousness and let taxpayers pay for it.

The EU has been urged to prepare for returning jihadists if the so-called Islamic State (IS) is driven out of its Iraqi stronghold, Mosul.

Will any of these People be Arrested on their return ?

There've been arrests of such people upon entry in the past. I'd assume there will be again.

We haven't the room to lock them all up. Shoot em or refuse admission imo.

Breeding and His Mob will be Slinging their Doors open for the poor unfortunate  war Veterans

They'll do nowt but talk, as ever.

Gotta let them in and give them a fair trial. That's among the highest achievements of our modern societies. Can't give that up for a bunch of ****s.

....Then you can shoot or strip them of their citizenship and send them to some godforsaken place.

Doesn't Britain have some useless islands we could use for that?

You can't send em anywhere though, some poncy human rights lawyer will (at our expense) keep them here for ever.

What about the falklands. Ain't nobody really needing the falklands anymore as military bases, right?

What about leaving em where they are.

Not willing to sacrifice rule of law for a bunch of arseholes as I said

Different strokes edy, I'd happily see the lot of them dead.

well, they can die as martyrs in mossul all they like. I don't mind. If they come back however I want them in a trial.

I just don't want my country to be flooded by foreigners

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