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By:
rogerthebutler
When: 13 Oct 16 14:12

Oct 13, 2016 -- 2:01PM, jamesdean wrote:


Although Lily has no right to apologise on a nations behalf, she is 100% correct when she blames England and the west for thetroubles. England's greed has caused misery for lands all over the world for hundreds of yearsThey then have the cheek to complain when the people's lives they have ruined look for refuge.Maybe if they along with other parts of the West kept their greedy hands to themselves we wouldn't have this 'problem' in the first place.


England, eh? We're real barstewards compared with the Saintly Scots, the Wondrous Welsh and the I've-not-got-an-alliteration-hey-yes-I-have' Irish.

Unfortunately, 'having the cheek to complain' is about all we can do. Well that and rely on International Law, a belief that criminals should face the consequences of their actions, that our greedy hands gave many countries a functioning civil service, law and order, health provision (however rudimentary), recreation, sanitation and just how many centuries should it take for countries with abundant natural resources to evolve into fully functioning civilised contributors to C21?

By:
alun2005
When: 13 Oct 16 14:19
Although Lily has no right to apologise on a nations behalf, she is 100% correct when she blames England and the west for the
troubles. England's greed has caused misery for lands all over the world for hundreds of years



So why exactly would half the world's waifs and strays crawl halfway around the world to try and get here, if this is such an awful country populated with greedheads who make every foreigner's life a misery?

Make no mistake, the criminals of the Calais Jungle wouldn't think twice about trampling over the likes of Allen, Corbyn (and all the other lefty apologists for the criminals) to get here.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 14:19
If you believe that then you're off your head roger. England didn't conquer many lands so they could give them anything.
They used an iron fist so they could take over for their own benefit and greed

Now they're reaping what they sow with the damage that they have caused and rightly so imo
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:23
England is not under any obligation to help any other country, anywhere in the world.
We don`t have to account for our behavior to anyone but ourselves, we are not subject to any other country or any other people.
If they are not happy with England that is fine, there is a whole other world that will be happy to help, they can try Russia, or Saudi, or Brazil, or many hundreds of others.

We will not be in the least offended should they decide that this dreadful place is not for them.
let other countries stare in wonder at England.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 14:24
So why exactly would half the world's waifs and strays crawl halfway around the world to try and get here, if this is such an awful country populated with greedheads who make every foreigner's life a misery?

Because you've left their country a war torn state of rubble perhaps?

Do you honestly think they would be coming over here if they had peace and stability in their own land?

The trouble is you're fed p1sh on the news and believe what you want to believe
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:24
the British empire was the greatest force for good that this world has ever seen.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:25
jamesdean these counties do not have to come to England to act in a civilized way.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:31
now if these countries are so backward that they are incapable of listening to what they are told by the US and Britain, that is fine.
they are free to go about things their way.
however if they cannot listen well we have only so much patience.
and unfortunately times up.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 14:38
That sums it up lfc1971

Now, ask yourself, who are the real terrorists?
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:40
I don`t think the world should presume on the good nature of the English people. it`s bad manners to do so.
By:
treetop
When: 13 Oct 16 14:45
The west has created a lot of the mess, Clinton should be damned instead of elected President and the EU has meddled with stability in the middle east thinking it could impose democracy,absolute madness.We should get out,stop out and encourage refugees to return as part of a negotiated settlement with Assad then wipe out ISIS with Russian support.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 14:50
no, I think we should leave it to Russia at this point. and this includes any responsibility for migrants and financial aid, billions of US dollars. and the seemingly impossible task of educating this terrible region and ideology in the ways of European democratic values.
By:
saddo
When: 13 Oct 16 15:03
jamesdean    13 Oct 16 14:24 


Do you honestly think they would be coming over here if they had peace and stability in their own land?


Many, possibly thousands of them are not seeking peace and stability, they have come to destroy those things for all. I have no answers, no one has, but letting more Muslims in means more terrorism, this is fact. It has to stop.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 13 Oct 16 15:11

Oct 13, 2016 -- 2:19PM, jamesdean wrote:


If you believe that then you're off your head roger. England didn't conquer many lands so they could give them anything.They used an iron fist so they could take over for their own benefit and greedNow they're reaping what they sow with the damage that they have caused and rightly so imo


Of course I don't believe The British Empire conquered half the world for altruistic reasons!

The benefits I outlined were and are a definite positive byproduct - or in the case of somewhere like Zimbabwe, would be, if the implementation of political ideology hadn't trumped a working society benefiting the majority (see also Venezuela)

By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 15:32
We are the terrorists saddo. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
Not every Muslim is a terrorist just like not every Irish Catholic is an IRA bomber, like not every Englishman can be compared to the dirty British empire.

Fwiw I'm not a luvvie lefty saying we should let in every tom dick and harry.
All I'm saying is Lily was wrong to apologise on a nation's behalf but 100% right to put the blame at the hands of England and the West.

What we are seeing now from these war torn Countries is a reaction stemmed from the West's greed over many years.

Can you really blame people who have literally fk all for wanting to better their lives by coming here, whether that be to work
or for an easy life? Put yourself in their shoes and the chances are, we'd all be trying to do the same.
By:
saddo
When: 13 Oct 16 15:42
Historical tennis will not solve much. We are where we are, and need to tackle the Islamification of Europe, there can be no long term good in it.
By:
saddo
When: 13 Oct 16 15:43
* for non Islamics.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 15:50
do not listen to the anti British bias and bigotry from certain areas.
make no mistake Ireland got `independence` 100 years ago and since that time more Irish people have come to live and work in England than ever before. are they thankful? no.
it is time for these countries to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.
now Ireland has been, in theory, and independent country for 100 years, but without the fact that they had the automatic right to live and work in Britain the Irish economy would not have lasted 5 years.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 15:53
Ireland is welcome to take as many migrants as it wishes, and at the same time England has the right to say to Ireland your citizens no longer have the automatic right to live and work in England
That is for citizens of the UK.
now it is fine Ireland can do so if it wishes, it is within their power.
but do not lecture England on what it must do.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 16:01
Historical tennis will not solve much. We are where we are

So lets just forget the facts of how we got where we are and who's fault all this is in the first place and blame everyone else while we reap the rewards and millions of others suffer?  No thanks

And then to have the audacity to complain at the results of their own actions, mind boggling.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:07
but we are not under any obligation to accept you version of the facts jamesdean, that`s ok. if other countries disagree with British and US policy they are quite at liberty to try something different.
Britain is one country, we see things from our perspective.
I happen to believe that the world would do well to listen
if it doesn't well there is not much we can do about that.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 16:12
You can start by stop sticking your greedy nose in where it's not wanted. Likes you's done most recently in Iraq under false pretences. Killing thousands in the process not to mention the 100+ of your own that were killed for no reason
By:
Blackrock
When: 13 Oct 16 16:12
If the English deserve all it gets [according to Jamesdean] then shall we complain about the Romans and Vikings invading us? Thought not.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:15
ah no I disagree, I think you will find that it is 10s of thousands that have been killed in Iraq, by Iraqis
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:15
ah no I disagree, I think you will find that it is 10s of thousands that have been killed in Iraq, by Iraqis
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 16:22
You've obviously got a very blinkered view. Once you take the rose tinted spectacles off, maybe the reality of your own
lots greed and terror will become more apparent
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:28
that`s fine, not a problem. no one need apply to come and live and work in England. There is no reason that some other great country can not step up to the challenge and rival the greatness of Englands history.
and take on the responsibility. perhaps soon we will be hearing of the kingdom of Poland, or even China.
very well, bit life is a strict schoolmaster, it is easy to be critical from the sidelines.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 16:35
There's no 'greatness' in England's history. They've caused mayhem and terror all over the world

I think that is why Lily feels ashamed to be British as do many others
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:37
I happen to believe that England is the greatest country the world has ever seen.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Oct 16 16:39
we won`t agree on that, in fairness the US runs it very close.
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 16:39
Change greatest for greediest and you'd be closer to the mark.
By:
mobo
When: 13 Oct 16 16:41
JAMES  and others hate this country. It does make you wonder. I suppose they just want the muslim takeover and help it with their rhetoric. They will walk all over you when they get hegemony in the cities.  It will only take about 20 percent and they will be there.  Invite them all in james - welcome to your future hell.
By:
mobo
When: 13 Oct 16 16:43
and if you think the muslims are any different !!! they will grab power wherever they can cause chaos. We need to stand up to them and apologist/haters like yourself.
By:
mobo
When: 13 Oct 16 16:45
James needs to check out how mainstream Islamist authorities treat christians, liberals and their own apostates.
Have a look how they treat 10 to 15 year old girls.  One married every 7 secs.  Check out UN reports and Save The Children etc etc etc.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 13 Oct 16 16:52
he's a car crash
By:
Injera
When: 13 Oct 16 17:15
James - I would respectfully point out that Calais is in France. A safe, rich country with wonderful wine, cheeses, superb football team and beautiful countryside. They clearly have a different view of England than yours and long to come here.Crazy

The fact that those in the Jungle want to use illegal means to leave France and enter the UK, immediately classifies them as criminals.
By:
mobo
When: 13 Oct 16 17:27
but look at the ones they let in - crimes committed out of all proportion to their numbers
As a friend of mine sayd  - IT'S TREASURE ISLAND
By:
Rockinron
When: 13 Oct 16 18:27
"Invite them all in james - welcome to your future hell"
yep ..just like Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya and Syria...
Muslims killing Muslims ...just imagine what they'd do to you Kufurs..now where's the slitting knife.
Allah Akbar
By:
jamesdean
When: 13 Oct 16 18:58
jamesdean 13 Oct 16 15:32 Joined: 15 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 10,139 | Blogger: jamesdean's blog
We are the terrorists saddo. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
Not every Muslim is a terrorist just like not every Irish Catholic is an IRA bomber, like not every Englishman can be compared to the dirty British empire.

Fwiw I'm not a luvvie lefty saying we should let in every tom dick and harry.
All I'm saying is Lily was wrong to apologise on a nation's behalf but 100% right to put the blame at the hands of England and the West.

What we are seeing now from these war torn Countries is a reaction stemmed from the West's greed over many years.



Try and read what I've wrote before posting all that "let them all in nonsense"
By:
saddo
When: 13 Oct 16 19:22
We know every Muslim is not a terrorist james, but every terrorist in Europe is a Muslim. If we can't keep the wrong uns out, we need to keep them all out until we find a method of doing so.
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