what an idiot dean is. zero historical knowledge and perspective. these sh1teholes we are on about are just that because the natives have made them so. the exodus from islamic countries is down to the nature of it, and the yearning some have to escape it. we did not introduce them to their vicious practices, they have always had them. unfortunately, globalisation and werstern technology has allowed them to spread. the iraq war was a grave error, but the slaughter in iraq post-war is being carried out by islamoloonies, not by the west, who spend billions trying to stop iraqis killing each other. blair is guilty of denial of islamic reality; he thought that if he got rid of the evil hussein, the people would all become social democrats. not under islam, pluralism is forbidden, as is any other way of life.

there are 50 islamic countries in the world. not one has any vestige of respect for alternative lifestyles or tolerance of difference. the west ended slavery long ago; these countries never have, even now.

people are flooding into europe fleeing islmo-loonies engaged in mind-bogglingly vicious mass murder in algeria, nigeria, sudan, somalia, mali, egypt, tunisia, libya, syria, afghanistan, malaysia, kenya, pakistan, bangladesh, indonesia etc... there are many more.

boko haram, al quaeda, al shabaab, the muslim brotherhood, taleban, abbu sayyaf, isis and various others are entirely home-made. nowt to do with anyone else. ignorant wanchors like dean fall into the 'moral equivalence' trap and shift the blame west, rather than where it belongs.

asparagus
What a sad state of affairs that we've created a society so bitter and twisted that there is no compassion in left in so many people. Lily Allen may be far from perfect but in one thread many of you have proved yourself a lot worse. The ignorance is staggering.

Actually your ignorance is staggering. The acts of criminality at Calais are staggering with the French government trying to play it down.
Lilly Allen speaks for herself and not the rest of the UK. She is no different from the likes of Brand or Izzard. Well off, not affected by immigration and looking to take the moral high ground.

*fascists

grappler - that's a superb post.

Deserving of a higher platform than the BF forum.

Damn well said.

Jamesdean hates his country,hates his history and is sadly typical of the self loather.
He is likes Facts and Aspragus in that regard.

Its some jump to blame the plight of the criminals in Calais on British history.

is this publicity just because she is on the 'where are you now file' ?
a failing career, gets an injection fro this article, could bring out a charidy record for xmas.

Absolute  one sided, biased, garbage the grappler. What you fail to mention in your post is that the west including England armed half of these lunatics that are causing the mayhem over there and continue to do so for substantial gains. Then they try and take the moral high ground with all the civilised nonsense, we're here to help sh1te. The west are their for their own benefit and greed. If greed wasn't the reason they've got involved, why aren't they also getting involved in the other war torn Countries that have no monetary value to them?  Why aren't England and the West demanding the Saudi's play their part? Why aren't the Americans going after the Saudi's for their part in 9/11?  The reason is because yous only ever get involved when it is financially beneficial. So please stop all the 'here to help' sh1te


Not every Country sees life the same way. When in Rome etc
I don't agree with most of their cultures but at the end of the day it's theirs. Who are we to get involved and try to rule, tell them what to do. You also fail to mention the many other Countries the British empire invaded, pillaged and divided.

As for you wildman, I don't hate my Country. I'm not British

No.

muslims have the answer for allen - segregation - she wouldn't be allowed to behave like she did - I see muslims shut down parts of london yesterday in a big segregated march - you would wonder what country you were living in!!!

adolescent garbage from dean. the west would never recoup the colossal expense of trying to bring some sort of stability to the region, even if they appropriated every barrel of oil.you are short on specifics because you know nowt. so 'the west' is getting involved, and spending fortunes confident that its greed will be satisfied? of course thats it. afghanisatan has cost billions; no financial benefit there for anyone. all that humanitarian aid for nothing but ungrateful jihadis blowing people up. hard though it is for a cynical fool like you to understand, western motives are altruistic. you wont have it because you know nothing except that england and the west in general are the root of all evil in the world. the fact is that western european liberalism is the apotheosis of civilisation and the greatest force for good yet devised, which is why the whole world, even places we have had no influence over(something you ignore) want to live here, or north america or aus/nz. nowhere else.

i didnt mention the empire because that wasnt the point. you said the refugees were seeking to get into europe as a result of british meddling. i said they were escaping their own horrible countries because they want what we have created, ie, human rights, freedom of expression, welfare, tolerance, protection from arbitrary arrest and execution etc that will never do not exist in the middle east and never will.

these 'lunatics' you mention. who made them slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents? most of the weapons actually come from russia and the ex-communist states, btw. they are causing people to flee. the west didnt create them.

Lily Allen and her do gooder multi millionaire society chums are pathetic.

Living in Westminster, Knightsbridge etc in a multi millionaire paradise how do they see the real England and the havoc this invasion is creating. They may see things differently if Living in other parts of London, Luton, Birmingham etc.

How would they feel a if a massive mosque went up at the bottom of their road, immigrant families on benefits living either side of them, their local butcher/restaurants being halal only. With a refugee centre directly opposite their house. I feel they may have a different view of the situation.

Real people are struggling to make ends meet, see a huge part of their wages going in tax and all these economic migrants getting huge benefits.

If those do gooders want to do something, then all chip in, and send the money over for their upkeep. Until you have no money left or they can fund themselves, whichever happens first

I have my own beliefs about recent,unnecessary interference from the west in Syria but I have to give due praise to grapplers clinical summary of the problems in the middle east and muslim countries in general. A fine post bonny lad and worthy of a larger audience so that our eejit liberal elite might understand better.

A man of Jewish descent is demanding an apology after pop singer Lily Allen labelled him a “Nazi” for not supporting mass migration and told him to be “twice as ashamed” because he is Jewish.
Ms. Allen hit the headlines earlier this week after the BBC made a film about her visiting the Calais ‘Jungle’ migrant camp in northern France, where she apologised “on behalf of my country” to an Afghan migrant there.

A man known as Malcolm took issue her comments on Twitter, insisting he and the nation had nothing to apologise for. “The antics of that no mark @lilyallen!! Where the F does she get off [sic] apologising for the UK! Not in my name, you idiot!” he wrote on the social media site.

Ms. Allen responded: “Your grandchildren will be apologising for you and your hatrid [sic] in years to come just like the Germans do for the Nazis.”

He then explained: “I am a Jew with family that perished in the Nazi death camps! Your comparison is offensive!”

She declined to apologise, instead claiming the man was even guiltier by virtue of this ethnic and religious background: “Then you should be twice as ashamed.”

Lily has been most persuasive.

I suggest she stays there and we take the Afghan kid in a straight swap.

Cumberbunch, Izzard, now Allen. These types lecturing normal people about what to think will continue to have the reverse effect. We need more of this.