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Ramruma
02 Oct 16 20:26
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A spin-off from Fake or Fortune.

BBC4 Wednesdays (although I've just come across it on iplayer).

Bendor Grosvenor (from FoF) and new art historian sidekick Jacky Klein find "sleepers" in public art collections and try to stand them up. So far, so Fake or Fortune, but this has a more intrusive educational remit, with Bendor lecturing us directly via the camera instead of having him or Philip teach Fiona on the parent programme.
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Report Ramruma October 2, 2016 8:42 PM BST
The first episode includes a very significant conclusion, btw.
Report Ramruma October 5, 2016 2:07 PM BST
Wales last week; Scotland tonight.
Report Rockinron October 6, 2016 6:17 PM BST
Just love the program ...brilliant !
Report Franzi October 6, 2016 7:23 PM BST
It is a good watch, but I have some reservations. For instance, this week's episode featured an 'expert' on Allan Ramsay who, when presented with two near identical portraits side-by-side, was apparently unable to identify the more famous example which hangs in the NPG!

More generally, the programme repeatedly demonstrates the woeful standard of art history scholarship. In episode one, the contention that Jordaens' Meleager and Atalanta was painted in two stages 20 years apart could have easily been debunked years before simply by studying other Jordaens paintings of similar dimensions. Either the programme is slily taking credit where it is not due, or the so-called scholars are hopeless.
Report Ramruma October 7, 2016 7:05 AM BST
Franzi is probably correct about the state of art history. Of course, the new forensic techniques have a major impact but in some cases, it seems scholars have not even taken advantage of cheap travel to major European galleries.

What is impressive is Bendor's eye -- to have picked out these pictures simply by looking at a website. He must be in line for some sort of honour for increasing the value (in artistic, monetary and heritage terms) of our national and municipal collections.

On the flip side, yesterday it was reported that an £8.5 million painting is a forgery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37574411
Report Rockinron October 10, 2016 2:19 PM BST
I'm just waiting for some of "Billy's" to turn up ...Wink
William 'Billy' Mumford, 63, copied artists including Sayed Haider Raza, Welsh landscape painter Kyffin Williams and surrealist John Tunnard.
Report Burton-Brewers October 10, 2016 7:34 PM BST
sorry to go off topic Ron but have you ever played a Gretsch? there's a cracking archtop on Ebay for no money.
Report Ramruma October 12, 2016 6:54 PM BST
Northern Ireland tonight.

From the Radio Times:
Jacky Klein and Dr Bendor Grosvenor visit Belfast to take in the Ulster Museum, and assess what are thought to be low-value copies of works by Peter Breughel the Younger. They also head to the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont, where they view a controversial image. Said to depict William III and the Pope, the painting was once slashed with a knife, and is now kept in a room away from public view.
Report Ramruma October 14, 2016 3:45 PM BST
Seemed unsatisfactory somehow.

The mystery of the King Billy portrait that also featured the Pope was solved.
Report Franzi October 14, 2016 4:40 PM BST
Indeed, but also becoming formulaic within just three editions: see painting; take to restorer/cleaner; research provenance; show to expert for revised opinion; return to gallery.

Not helped either by padding with other, entirely unrelated stories. (In this case, the few minutes on the unattributed pair of portraits of William and Mary).

It's a great idea for a series, but they'll need to find other angles to sustain the interest. A few failures needed too - they are yet to mention an instance where they failed to prove their original hypothesis. I wonder what their strike rate is?
Report Poppydog. October 14, 2016 5:31 PM BST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w9jg5

Any art lovers should check out this BBC page, the clip and the ultra close up.

There's others in the series. Absolutely brilliant
(and people want to do away with the license fee)
Report Makybe_Diva October 14, 2016 9:10 PM BST
Halfway through watching the second one of these. Really enjoying these programmes. They are very well presented, beautifully filmed and nice music.

I could watch this stuff all day, it's very relaxing.

Thanks for the link Poppydog. I will explore that later, it looks very interesting.
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