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By:
Rockinron
When: 28 Sep 16 08:55
A Roulette wheel in a casino is completely randon.
The Roulette wheels (FOBTs) in betting shops are only random to a point ...it is relatively simple to program an electronic  machine to ensure it pays out 3%(or 2.74%) on turnover over time.
By:
detraveller
When: 28 Sep 16 12:05
Ask yourself this. If you could tweak a roulette wheel without anyone knowing, to get more profit, would you do it? At the casino with a wheel, probably a 3% margin is enough and no one needs to play any tricky games. But at the terminal, if the casino owner has the option to change the 3% to 30% and get rich quicker, why would he not do it? If you can come up with a decent reason, let me know.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 28 Sep 16 16:39
1st spin £100 return £97
2nd spin £97 return £94.09
3rd apin £94.09 return £91.27
4th spin £91.27 return £88.53
5th spin £88.53 return £85.87
6th spin £85.87 return £83.29
7th spin £83.29 return £80.79
8th spin £80.79 return £78.37
9th spin £78.37 return £76.02
10th spin £76.02 return £73.74
By:
dave1357
When: 28 Sep 16 17:18

Sep 28, 2016 -- 12:05PM, detraveller wrote:


Ask yourself this. If you could tweak a roulette wheel without anyone knowing, to get more profit, would you do it? At the casino with a wheel, probably a 3% margin is enough and no one needs to play any tricky games. But at the terminal, if the casino owner has the option to change the 3% to 30% and get rich quicker, why would he not do it? If you can come up with a decent reason, let me know.


because the entire "attraction" of roulette is that winning streaks can happen, this means that the mugs come back hoping for one of these streaks.  Some keep coming back until they lose everything.

If the odds were as bad as you suggest, no one would ever have a winning session and quite quickly realise that they had no chance and go elsewhere.

Also it would be a criminal offence, however there is no chance of prosecution as the Gambling Commission is inept.

By:
starship
When: 28 Sep 16 18:29
still no one has answered my question
By:
starship
When: 28 Sep 16 18:29
still no one has answered my question
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 28 Sep 16 19:01
dig out your bow tie, tell your queen to get her dress on and get down for a serious night at a real casino. Enjoy your meal in between sessions.
By:
lcredd
When: 28 Sep 16 19:10

Sep 28, 2016 -- 4:39PM, dukeofpuke wrote:


1st spin £100 return £972nd spin £97 return £94.093rd apin £94.09 return £91.274th spin £91.27 return £88.535th spin £88.53 return £85.876th spin £85.87 return £83.297th spin £83.29 return £80.798th spin £80.79 return £78.379th spin £78.37 return £76.0210th spin £76.02 return £73.74


So you would have bet approximately £875 and your initial £100 is now £74. I wonder how much you'd walk away with if you put £875 through a fruit machine. I don't understand why anyone would play these machines, other than having a quick £2 on ZERO for a laugh, but it's no different from any other form of problem gambling.

By:
STUDYFORM
When: 28 Sep 16 21:03
Starship.
To answer your question, they are Random Number generated games of chance, which pay out at fixed odds (ie. the prices never change).

They are 'supposed' to be regulated and verified and beyond cheating, but there is no way of actually checking this. Hence people questioning their veracity.
The computer game is supposed to be fair, and is regulated and licenced as such. However there will always be doubt.
Personally, I think there is dodginess and was told by an programmer of these things when they were first invented about how the %age could be and indeed were "tweaked" on the machines in the Badblokes shops at the time.
They did it by adding extra random numbers so instead of 1-37 (1 - 36 plus 0) it would generate a number between 1 and 40 or 41, and if a number higher than 37 came up the cartoon roulette would just show a number which hadn't been bet on as being the winning number.

Ever since that day, I have asked about this and it has been denied emphatically and those particular machines no longer exist. However, I see no reason it couldn't easily be done.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 Sep 16 21:07
That sounds very believable Studyform
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 28 Sep 16 21:56
I thought so, ron.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Sep 16 10:53
detraveller
Ask yourself this. If you could tweak a roulette wheel without anyone knowing, to get more profit, would you do it? At the casino with a wheel, probably a 3% margin is enough and no one needs to play any tricky games. But at the terminal, if the casino owner has the option to change the 3% to 30% and get rich quicker, why would he not do it? If you can come up with a decent reason, let me know.


Any changes are recorded and can't be hidden.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Sep 16 10:55
Stow the money laundering idea is well covered with machines recording everything.
Bookies must look out for it, easy to spot, and report accordingly.
By:
jed.davison
When: 29 Sep 16 11:08
Think the money-laundering thing is over played. The overwhelming majority of people playing these machines are doing so becuase they can't do their dough quick enough.
By:
donny osmond
When: 29 Sep 16 12:20
i was always amazed that folk could play these machines not stop
without seemingly losing internet connection

seems they were the only things that never got disconnected from
internet

people also told me there were patterns of same number coming up
in clusters

i wondered if internet connection was lost that machine defaulted to
previous numbers in short term memory ?
By:
billy hill
When: 29 Sep 16 13:06
What are the payout ratios on the £500 fruit machines? eg Luck of The Irish?

I got really pissed off when one online casino site said i could have a free £50 if i staked £50.  I got the account up to about £160 and tried to withdraw the profit (i.e the £60), but wasn't allowed to.  Some rule about how I had to wager something like 20 times the deposit.   If payout ratio is 97%, after 20 times, you'll be down to £54, but say if it's a fruit machine on 90% that's £12.
By:
lcredd
When: 29 Sep 16 13:48
I have always thought the payout ratio is somewhere between 75-90%, but that is if they are played properly/optimally.
By:
dixie
When: 29 Sep 16 13:52
I believe it's 94% for slot games on a FOBT.
By:
dave1357
When: 29 Sep 16 13:53

Sep 29, 2016 -- 1:48PM, lcredd wrote:


I have always thought the payout ratio is somewhere between 75-90%, but that is if they are played properly/optimally.


There is no way to play numbers on roulette "optimally".  That term refers to card games mostly.

By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 29 Sep 16 13:56
I found all the percentages for the various games listed under Help or similar on the FOBT.

The best percentage was the basic roulette game.  Some of the other games were low 90's.
By:
lcredd
When: 29 Sep 16 14:49

Sep 29, 2016 -- 1:53PM, dave1357 wrote:


Sep 29, 2016 --  1:48PM, lcredd wrote:I have always thought the payout ratio is somewhere between 75-90%, but that is if they are played properly/optimally.There is no way to play numbers on roulette "optimally".  That term refers to card games mostly.


I was referring to the question above which asked about payout ratios on fruit machines. Obviously there is no optimal for roulette, these 'systems' people come up with are beyond ludicrous.

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