John McDonnell

Articulate?  Are you for real.  This is the thug who has to pretend it was "just a joke" every time some of his nastiness is exposed.

One of the biggest criticisms of Corbyn is the fact that he gave a senior job to Mad Mac.

Hi Dotch..
Sorry I know the guy has back form...
Don't know too much about him but
sometimes you don't have to utter pure
prose in your speech to be articulate
maybe his direct incisive delivery
could be considered articulate.

Another one trying to re-write his history with lies.
With him and Jeremy at the top Labour will never be electable.

I'm very saddened to learn of your views on John McDonnell, TM.

This is the man who gave a speech stating that the IRA should be honoured for the bombings which killed so many innocent people and also said he would assassinate Margaret Thatcher if he could go back in time.  He should be nowhere near British government in my view.

Clive Lewis, the shadow defence secretary, came across well on Sky News yesterday.  He's a genuine left-winger, I believe, but seems far more intelligent than the rest of the opposition front bench.

Poker...
I respect you and your views
from the days of yore....I have only recently become
aquainted with Mr.Mcdonell and as an expat I find
him quite convincing.
I'm sure if you examine us all you might wish
to retract a particular comment.

He openly supported the ira along with Jeremy.
Shared many a platform with them but more worrying attended some of their 'social' events.
Told blatant lies about it on QT first time around.
As PM says he should be nowhere near the British government.

Likewise, TM.  You always strike me as very measured and thoughtful, sir.

Very true, we all say things we would like to take back now and again, but some of McDonnell's comments were beyond the pale.  I think the Thatcher comment was supposed to be a joke, one in extremely poor taste of course, but a joke nonetheless.  Saying that the IRA bombers should be honoured, however, is simply unforgivable in my mind.

This investigation by The Telegraph uncovered some uncomfortable evidence, none of it denied by McDonnell or Corbyn.  It's worth a read if you have a spare five minutes, TM.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

Thanks PM
I'll check that out.

They truly are (or were at least) despicable people.

Thatcher and Reagan started the mess that we are in today.
destroyed the world's economy with Debt.
the world's economy in the eighties was a few trillion.
it's now 100 trillion. That's all debt. Imaginary numbers.

they reduced tax that supports the infrastructure of society.
roads.bridges.hospitals - all shifted into private hands.
biggest bank heist in history by suits.

but don't say 'thatcher' was anything but a paragon of virtue?
Her son tried to take over a country... WTF.

' investigation by The Telegraph ....'

That's all you need to know

he will get his shot after the 2020 GE if there is anything of them left to lead.

The thug enforcer who allows Corbyn to be the poster boy of the 'I do politics differently (as long as everyone agrees with me)' brigade.

i.e a politician

making the leaders speech for him today

can he get trident in to his speech ?

spitting in managers tea




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TrzWzP11Mno

Ive missed his speech. Anything about lynching women or kneecapping opponents yet?

Does he still have Chairman Mao's little red book to guide him?

His demeanour reminds me of another scouser.....Leonard Rossiter.

Rigsby would be a much more credible shadow Chancellor.

can't beleive English labour more left than Scottish labour

Dot whats your problem with Jeremy and Labour , lets ask you if Smith would have won would you vote for them then ?

they should be embraced and saluted because Labour will never get in with those two planks and their brownshirts running the show.

Paul Mason's Guardian article reads well....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/sep/26/the-real-lesson-from-corbyns-victory-you-cant-hold-back-history

CorMac not left enough for SWP>

Mason was one of the many unbiassed BBC reporters in his day,wasn't he ?

I have no problem with Labour. Im not a fan of a lot of Corbyns ideas and his lack of competence but my real issue is with McDonnell who shouldnt even be an MP of a decent political party let alone in a powerful role.

I probably wouldnt vote for Smith but id certainly be a potential voter for Jarvis.

Socialist fratricide.Totally unelectable.

What age do people stop worrying about voting ?

Sep 26, 2016 -- 4:35PM, Dotchinite wrote:

I have no problem with Labour. Im not a fan of a lot of Corbyns ideas and his lack of competence but my real issue is with McDonnell who shouldnt even be an MP of a decent political party let alone in a powerful role.I probably wouldnt vote for Smith but id certainly be a potential voter for Jarvis.

So you would vote for Jarvis , why what policies would be so attractive to you ?

old folk vote till they drop, not much else to do ....

You are wrong Donny.This is why I will turn out in all weathers and vote against labour until the day I die.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266662/The-man-stole-old-age-How-Gordon-Brown-secretly-imposed-ruinous-tax-wrecked-retirements-millions.html

Dear me The Daily Fail that great supporter of fair play

The thought of these left wing extremist sc*m getting into power is the stuff of nightmares.
This is 2016 not 1976.

McDonnell is a worse shadow chancellor than Corbyn is a party leader

he redefines incompetence

Corbyn is an idiot, misguided, a dangerous fool, and would be a total disaster but I don't think he's actually an evil person. There's something about McDonnell that makes me think he has a very dark soul .
"Something of the night" on steroids.

Dear me the Klan are out early tonight

It's not about who is reporting it anxious it's what Brown and his cronies did.
You may think it was fair but I doubt you were on the receiving end of it.

Of course it matters who reports it , a proprietor and paper  that hates the Labour Party is  bound to the truth eh.

Those of us who lost out because of it know the truth. People younger than me lost out by a much greater margin, matter of timing. You choose not to care, that's up to you. Changes nothing, I don't want to see another labour government and I'll continue to vote accordingly even though it changes nothing in my constituency. It's a protest vote if you like.

IM sure millions feel the same about voting against the Tories who have ruined many families and communities with their evil policies over the years, I doubt you care much about them either.

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Britain’s Labour Party’s conference has played host to the foreign-funded Hope Not Hate group, which has said Labour must start talking to “racist” working class people if the party wants to defeat the UK Independence Party.

Speaking at an event at Labour’s conference in Liverpool on Monday, John Page from the notorious Hope Not Hate group, said that supporters of mass migration are “smarter than” working class voters who have turned away from the party to support the UK Independence Party (UKIP). He insisted that the only way Labour can reclaim such voters is for activists to go out and speak with them in order to change their opinions.

It was Tony Blair what put Sinn Fein/IRA into power in Northern Ireland not Corbyn/McDonnell 

Of course I care about them anxious, the reasons for the loss of those industries is more complicated than your simplistic view although I hated the way that Tory government handled it.
The reason for my original response was in reply to Donny just to say that most pensioners have a political view for a reason and not just for something to do.

Indeed they do many pensioners don't vote tory , but they know the over 65s are a big voting block that's why most governments don't want to upset them.

john mcdonnell should be in charge of a pound shop that's his level

Great speech yesterday.

Facts
27 Sep 16 04:23
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Great speech yesterday.


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What a party! Allowing Momentum to sell comics, t shirts and mugs, at the conference, all mocking the British Army.

politics of the 70s and 80s someone should tell them it's 2016

absolute vermin

As for the year being 2016, the politics are heading backwards towards Victorian values, things are tougher for most people than they were in the 1970's, but blaming (first) Unemployed and sick people, followed by (second) immigrants and getting the assistance of relatively well paid and out of touch media folk who all sing from the same hymn sheet has managed to sway millions via both massive and misleading anti-left and pro-brexit reporting.

Ever since Corbyn was elected leader, he and the Labour party have been "damned if they do and damned if they don't".
From whether or not to attend things, to bow, to wear a tie, to comment, to campaign. No matter who says what it seems to be wrong, particularly with the vast majority of the media, which is inherently tory, or at least aligned to the Blair type "New" Labour.
Here are 3 links to studies which will confirm what I'm saying. And they're not from Breitbart or the Mail.
Neither are from organisations with any vested interest.

I wonder how many of you will choose to read and/or take anything new from them?

Very long and involved, from the LSE:

https://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf

From the University of London:

http://www.mediareform.org.uk/press-ethics-and-regulation/the-medias-attack-on-corbyn-research-shows-barrage-of-negative-coverage

Further proof of the BBC's REAL bias

http://www.mediareform.org.uk/blog/an-open-letter-on-the-bbcs-dismissal-of-corbyn-bias-findings
http://www.mediareform.org.uk/featured/stay-go-television-online-news-coverage-labour-party-crisis

Good post Studyform I doubt the spiv fans will take any notice.

akabula    27 Sep 16 15:21 
What a party! Allowing Momentum to sell comics, t shirts and mugs, at the conference, all mocking the British Army.


I see you're a Sun reader !
This Murdoch rag's 'exclusive'  has been proved to be utter nonsense. There's a surprise !

The stall/ merchandise has nothing to do with Momentum or indeed the Labour Party. Actually run by Army Veterans themselves, protesting against the propaganda of army recruiting.

Yes facts poor old Mac is just so misunderstood as well. Comments about lynchings assassinations and threats of kneeecappings are just him having a laugh just like his admission of being a Marxist who supported Mao.


Its all Murdoch. He made him say all these things.

Oh the old ' reds under the bed '  warning. Grab your kids and run !
That nice Mr Osborne was such a good man Look what he did to our society.

This is not a case of criticising a politician because you don't happen to like their social, economic or fiscal policies. 

We're talking about a man who advocated the murder of British citizens and honouring those who actually committed such heinous acts of brutality.  It is important to note that McDonnell does not deny these truths about his past, but a few grovelling apologies on television are simply not good enough in this instance, the man is running for high office in the country whose people he once said only heeded to "bullets and bombs."

The very fact that this man is permitted to be shadow chancellor brings shame to all of us, not just the Labour Party.

You have to worry about the mentality of people like facts who dont seem to care what sort of threats or abuse a potential Chancellor or PM makes. Who knows how hed behave if he was ever in power. One things for sure no rational person would think he was remotely suitable.

We're talking about a man who advocated the murder of British citizens and honouring those who actually committed such heinous acts of brutality.

and what about financial policies which then directly killed its own citizens?
thats ok i guess as its democracy

Whataboutery at it's best or worst, I can't make up my mind.
WTF has that got to do with the argument against McDonnell.

It's incredible how any rational person could defend John McDonnell's actions, or now support him in his current role as shadow chancellor. 

IRA sympathiser at best, advocated the murder of British citizens and called for those who committed such atrocities to be honoured.  This is not a man who should be anywhere near the Houses of Parliament, nevermind a prominent member of Her Majesty's opposition.

He`s a republican, that`s all you need to know.

I should imagine Corbyn is also?
they would be prepared to ally themselves with almost any power, no manner how barbaric if they thought it would weaken the UK.

filth supported by filth