Syria - Time for Action

Is this a civil war or a pawn in a game of chess between the West and Russia?

It's a very dangerous game, much more serious than just a civil war.

So declare War On Russia , which puts us on the same side as Islamic State

I don't think you have read too much about this war if you are proposing this

It's all just about securing energy corridors.

Qatar propose an oil pipeine to run through Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Syria and Turkey in to Europe giving a secure pipeleine from Western allies in the Middle East which Russia has no influence over. In 2009 Syria refuses and decides that it would prefer to have a pipeline which goes through Iran, Syria and Iraq in to Europe and implies that i doesn't want harm Russian intersts in the region.

Surpise, surprise a couple of years later Syria breaks in to civil war and their is a coalition formed between Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, the U.S.A, European nations with the sole purpose of ousting the current regime in Syria regardless of the consequences.

Russia want Assad to stay in control and that isn't going to be allowed going to happen so lets sort it now before the death toll hits a million.

Yes we can't have that since the purpose of intervening in the first place was regime change.

It is hell on earth in Aleppo now, it has been hell on earth in Syria for a number of years.

As well as the above (it's all about who controls the oil) Russia are happy to keep on displacing thousands of Syrians as it's causing stress on America's friends in Western Europe, leading to more divisive politics that are de-stabilising established roots of power and leading to extremism becoming more mainstream.
As long as Germany etc are keeping their focus inside their own borders they'll care much less if Russia decides to annex Belarus.

people relying on the usa to sort this mess out must have skipped recent history.

all they have succeeded in doing is arming rebel groups who then come back to attack the west.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2GUfBppapA Assad is painted as a raving blood thristy monster by western media.
Yet, look at any of his many interviews.
He comes across as very rational, eloquent and intelligent man.He is no saint thats for sure, but compared to the alternative...

Meanwhile Saudi war crimes in Yemen, one of the worlds poorest countries, on the brink of starvation.Go ignored by the media.
Saudis are targeting Schools, hospitals whatever they don't care.Yet, no critisim.
Its so obvious that we are being fed a steady stream of anti Assad propaganda.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/16/third-of-saudi-airstrikes-on-yemen-have-hit-civilian-sites-data-shows

I am all for sorting it out.  Now, which group of extremist Islamists do you want to replace assad.

It is absolutely disgusting how people conveniently forget the war crimes commited by Europe and US in the last 15 years and blame Assad and Russia for all the problems! No wonder you get brainwashed so easily. Learn to use your own brains. See the world instead of the news.

Here are some facts of everyday life before we removed the last "brutal" dictator Gaddafi.
Free electricity, free education, free health care, no interést on loans, newlyweds given enough money to buy an apartment, mothers who had given birth to a child given $5,000 to help support them.

What a monster Gaddafi was, right?

BTW all from pro war CNN no less.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-884508

Gaddafi was brought in from the cold by blair (remember the photoshoots in the tents with the sopwith camels?) so they could bill him for £95billion for supporting the IRA when he refused Britain cancelled his christmas cards.
America got p1ssed with him because he wanted to change the currency that oil was to be traded in from dollars.

USA BOMBING WORKS you know it makes sense.

I fear for Syria if she wins.She is still convinced Libya went just fine.

I agree with the last few posts

I think the West and particularly America has done great harm to the Middle East.
The never ending killing is still going on in Syria, we have completely destabilised the whole region.

Why? They were no threat to us. The Arabs are not like us, they were happy as they were.
I know why it was done and it was evil.

America has to learn respect for other countries, not everybody wants to be like them.

Because Europe unwisely backed America in this, we are paying a price, terrorism and the risk of terrorism,
and a breakdown of relations with Muslims in our own societies, we had no trouble with them before.

Was it America who destabilised the area? Here's me thinking it was the Arab Spring....I must watch more 9/11 conspiracy videos to brush up on my knowledge.

The Arab people, they don't want oppressive regimes like Assad.

The Shias don't mind Assad's oppressive regime

It is the Sunnis who object.

The problem with Syria is that it was always slightly unbalanced, because it is ruled by a minority of Shias.

I don't like Assad myself, I think he is brutal, and he over reacted during Arab Spring. The Sunnis then used this to decide on civil war,
thinking the West would back them, which we may have done. But they overlooked one thing, Putin said he would support Assad because
it is in Russia's interest.

There is a need for caution here because the West and Russia must not be drawn into fighting each other. Because of Nuclear weapons.

At the moment Syria has the worst of all worlds, Assad cannot lose because the Russians hold him up, The rebels cannot lose because
the West holds them up, and we also have ISIS involved?

I don't think we can negotiate with ISIS, but I think the rebels and Assad need to negotiate somehow?
I don't have the answer. I am not paid to have the answer.

Just my own opinion.