This Syrian ceasefire debacle

Afghanistan bombed to rubble, Iraq bombed to rubble, Libya bombed to rubble, Syria bombed to rubble...
God bless America...

The US should not get involved in Syria, they will get no thanks for their efforts to bring a peaceful solution and may even get attacked in the future by the very people they have risked their lives to help.

Whenever Syria is mentioned. I picture their tanks heading for Israel for the start of the six day war
And in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, again the Syrians tanks were heading towards Israel.

And we're supposed to give aid to war mongers such as these.
When they're perfectly capable of blowing each other to bits without any help from the West.

As for giving a home to their migrants - we must be mad to even think of taking in these kinds of people.

We have bombed them back to the Stone Age. Given that most of them are slaves to a credo that belongs there, they should be thanking us.

a ruse so each side could damage the other

Dr Crippen  • September 20, 2016 10:54 AM BST 
Whenever Syria is mentioned. I picture their tanks heading for Israel for the start of the six day war
And in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, again the Syrians tanks were heading towards Israel.
And we're supposed to give aid to war mongers such as these.

Israel of course are not war like?
A country that should never have been created.

Not to mention the fact that Britain is allied to the biggest warmongers going, who themselves were previously allied to the mujahideen in Afghanistan and Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.

Should be a comma after Afghanistan. Don't think the mujahideen were too prominent in Iraq under Saddam.

Well I don't want bellicose types moving in next door to me.
Brandishing their scimitars, and manufacturing home made bombs in their bedrooms.

America dont have the clout they thought they had since the Vietnam and North Korea humblings and so subscribe totally to proxy war now in their power struggles.
They chanced their arm in the Cuban missile crisis and got very very lucky (they thought they were keeping nuclear missiles out by blockading, when actually the Soviets reportedly had around 200 missiles already pointing at America in Cuba....which meant the sinking of that ship would have meant the sinking of 200 of the most prominent american cities)

The Russkies aint stoopid; where would they have bought their jeans?

Probably the Vietnamese sweatshops that americans do (and that they also derive profits from)

If the Vietnamese and N.Koreans and Syrians etc a too stoopid to do what the US tells them then there is nothing much that can be done.

Vietnam, Cuba, N.Korea, Syria? have always been used by the Russians, and how has that worked out in every one of these countries?.
they had their chance in history and should have taken the side of peace and democracy and freedom with the help of America.

Or put another way america tried meddling in all of em and two of em slapped em down while one was a score draw and syria was destroyed out of the usual arming of 'rebels'

A coup d'etat that couldnt punch hard enough to get a win

And of course The Black Russian has just won at Getmerobe...

lfc1971  • September 20, 2016 2:36 PM BST 
If the Vietnamese and N.Koreans and Syrians etc a too stoopid to do what the US tells them then there is nothing much that can be done.

The US does not rule this world! Countries make their own decisions

The attack on the aid convey was a reprisal for US planes attacking Syrian Government troops last week, killed 62.(which may or may not have been
a mistake)

The terrible civil war in Syria rolls on.

If it could only be ended there would be no need for Moslem refugees to flee to Europe.
I don't think Europe is winning out of this.

The attack on the aid convey was a reprisal for US planes attacking Syrian Government troops last week, killed 62.(which may or may not have been
a mistake)

Indeed, but attacking aid conveys is a big no no. It's disgusting and if Russia are behind it, and this seems right up there street, then woe betide them.

Ohh surprise surprise CNN :-

First on CNN: US preliminary conclusion finds Russian warplanes hit aid convoy

Woe betide them? Nobody will do anything to Russia.

Indeed Mikael.

But to solve Syria, we need to work with them, not against them.

Those aid conveys do not contain weapons, but they enable the rebels to keep fighting?

They have to eat.

The US planes that killed Syrian troops were supposed to be targeting ISIS not Assad's forces.

First on CNN: US preliminary conclusion finds Russian warplanes hit aid convoy

What were you expecting? They are hardly going to come out and say US preliminary conclusion finds that US backed moderate rebels/terrorists are responsible for hitting aid convoy.

This is the way it works. Russia blame the US for everything and the US blames Russia for everything.

If there is friendly fire to blame then there is nowhere else to look but the good ol US of A..

Exactly. They can kill 60 syrian soldiers by 'mistake'.  So how about the convoy.?
IF the Russians BOMBED the lorries, where are the craters?

It has also got the 60 syrian soldiers killing off the main news.

on the radio last night an eyewitness said that the convoy was hit by barrel bombs carried by 2 helicopters.

Does it matter?
If they don't blow each other up today, they'll blow each other up tomorrow.

As regards taking refugees from places like Syria.
The number I would let into the UK would be.....zero.
For the same reason nearby Arab countries won't take any in.
Which is ''They're not like us.''

....which emphases my point I've often made that the collective malevolence trumps collective benevolence.

Much is always made of good deeds, but they are always just scant viels drawn over the substantial bad ones which are done for selfish gain.

Whenever Syria is mentioned. I picture their tanks heading for Israel for the start of the six day war
And in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, again the Syrians tanks were heading towards Israel.



One thing for sure, that wont happen again and if it did it would be the one day war.

so they think it was the syrians then?

UN have withdrawn claim it was an air-attack

Cambridge analyst professor : Rebel groups did not want ceasefire so may have attacked convoy to destroy ceasefire

^ Tony Brenton : former British Ambassador to Russia

The rebels have seemingly achieved nothing in the last six years, a ceasefire with Assad still in place is effectively a loss.
If fighting stops do America really think Russia will serve Assad up on a plate?
America have no pull here and the world knows it

Yes perhaps that`s the problem, they don`t listen to good advice. It can be an almost impossible task when you are the greatest and most enlightened power in the world suh as the US trying to civilise the natives.
Britain found this also even at the height of its great empire.

Unless a democratic and powerful country such as the US is prepared to go in not just to keep the peace but to impose its values and systems of government and freedoms of religion and the rule of law etc then nothing is achieved
If you leave them to their own devices then chaos and barbarity and repression and violence are the outcome.

I dont consider flooding the world with almost 300 billion's worth of arms a year to be exactly virtuous.

That said i should imagine that the Americans are heartily sick of throwing money and medical and humanitarian aid and engineering and technical and scientific help..and lives lost into these places.
No they might be inclined to say that`s it sort it out amongst yourselves...unfortunately times up.

Its all about trade and commerce with USA they dont give a fook about syria other than they might end up causing problems down the road for them and their protectionist mentality of having the most of everything at the expense of most of the others.
This always comes back to capitalism attempting to raid other's ponds for growth and profit and opportunities to create profits at all costs to pay the debts that were created by racing to the bottom.
This is all about America v Russia version 4 or poss 5.

The US is in the happy position of not having to rely on trade and commerce. Everything it needs it can get from within the borders of its own land and creativity.
It can step away and be the most successful and creative and prosperous country the world has ever known.

The only time america gets involved themselves is when the airforce have total supremacy and the nation they are attempting to destabalise has an effect on their money markets in some form or other.
They ultimately get their face washed back home by the electorate just like in vietnam.

Yeah yeloowstone park has the largest oil reserves in the world....but supply and demand is about control.
How much do they mine their own reserves?

Yellowstone

Syria is getting a lot of coverage but it said on the radio last night there are 1+ million starving kids in Yemen because of the Saudis.

This is how it is, the prosperity of all the western nations, and the rest of the world since WW2 is because of one great country, the US. the german economy, the japanese, the british, the chinese etc all of these nations owe the prosperity of the last 100 years to the inventiveness and brilliance of the US

Its all false ffs, ethereal inflated nonsense.
Its not relative to anything. There used to be a time when the money in your pocket was a guarantee of payment of gold reserves in a bank and the value of assets were directly relevant to the cost of the resources in the world.
That stopped decades ago and now america is just totally debt riddled and kick the can down the road eachtime 'default' of the loan appears.
They are the biggest debt ridden failure with a veil of acceptance over it as though its acceptable to live totally broke.

All those goods that were created as a result of the manufacturing base after ww2 were effectively never paid for in the west.
All the movement out of poverty that were experienced were actually called in there and then to the benefit of those alive around the time, only for those in future generations to stump up the bill.
How will that happen?

A country as beautiful as the US, with all of its great people and achievements in science and the arts and music and literature and medicine engineering and technology and cinema and aviation and sport.....and everything that they are good at which happens to be everything can never be seen as a failure.

Can't touch Yellowstone Park; Yogi & Boo Boo are there..

yes not forgetting its great tv.

And all the invented derivatives and opportunities to con and steal through the markets, the housing crash and manufacture, creation of proxy war and sale of arms to finance private sector investment banks and venture capitalism who make gains on the suffering of others.....
But they have nice apple pie and tidy home lawns so everything is fine.

everyone must look after themselves so that things can be peaceful and good everywhere, who would deny that?

it`s a bit much to blame the US if we are not prepared to make our own countrys peaceful and democratic and happy.

now how does Syria go about that?  well i would suggest a first step would be to listen to the US and do what they are told.

Britain follwed america in, nuts and all, we are almost as broke as they are.
You dont create responsible peace by being the two greatest manufacturers of doom

yes that`s the problem, nothing to do with personal responsibility.

they are like the worlds drug dealer ffs
they cant opine on responsibility

not at all, America through its medicine and drugs save lives and eases suffering while others create death and destruction and pain

Im on about the vehicles of destruction were made and financed in america and the states that collapse have always had American involvement in behind the scenes.
All the time proceeds paying guilt edged interest rates to the private owned federal reserve that until very recently was almostly completely unregulated

...who of course lend money to the american government to make and sell arms in areas that are at war......

Vechicles of destruction are just as much vehicles of protection and freedom.
If people are prepared to murder each other by various barbaric means using the most basic of weapons, as in Syria or Iraq or Afghanastan or Ryanda etc etc it has nothing to do with technology, it is the absense of any sense of right or wrong. there are literally thousands, millions of such people in these countries.
That is the main difficulty. It has alwats benn there throughout history, even before the formation of the US.
it is easy to put the blame at someones elses door.

If we could arm a certain faction in Syria that we though might be capable of bringing about a free and democratic and peaceful country that would be something to consider.
but the problem remained on the ground it was very difficult to find such people.
it was however a question of trying to sort them from the thousands of fanatical lunatics, its not easy.

Then let them make the arms they need to protect and leave it at that.
But thats not the point of it, the point is to create a medium to trade in thats development pays for itself through ring fenced government sector financing.
They have to keep dropping bombs on somebody to vindicate the theory that they need to finance the development of better technology.
They arnt going to bomb their own are they?
Well except for the 1000 nuclear bombs they dropped on their own land and in the pacific.

...and then dictated to everyone else that they wernt allowed to develop nuclear

well it was America who invented the bomb, you should be pretty grateful it was them and not nazi Germany or the Soviets who got there first.

of course it led to an American empire of sorts, but a very benign one especially when compared to past ones in history, or even the repression and mass killings and slave labour camps of the Soviet empire.

well it was a collective made up of a number of nation's scientists that did.
Germany had surrendered by the time the bomb had been developed but the scientist were hell bent on dropping it on somebody

I believe the scientist said something like 'we dont do politics' when asked whether they should go ahead even though the war was almost over

that`s ok dustybin, you will be telling me next that the US would never have got to the moon without Von Braun

they couldnt get a an oversized orange off the launchpad in 1958, they called it the 'flopnik' when it exploded and eisenhower lost 20% in the polls within a week.
Dont get me started on the space programme

yes i know, and the Wright Brothers never managed to fly, and Chuck Yeager never broke the sound barrier above the Mohave desert in the clear blue sky.

and america never landed on the moon when they said they did
(that the original america having to win whether cheating or not against the soviets)

still want to know if the convoy was BOMBED, where are the craters?