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a stupid evolution question ? Amoeba kills girl?

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By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 14:56
test every spirit. that's what my book says.

science is full of hold outs, it's always been the case.

Pasteur was told he was crazy when he talked about minute creatures
causing disease.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 14:59
that's such a poor argument - what idiot came up with that?
sounds like a Dawkin's teapot argument. Leprecauns and fairies.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 15:02
Imprisonment in the cave

Plato begins by asking Glaucon to imagine a cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood. These prisoners are chained so that their legs and necks are fixed, forcing them to gaze at the wall in front of them and not look around at the cave, each other, or themselves (514a–b).[1] Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway with a low wall, behind which people walk carrying objects or puppets "of men and other living things" (514b).[1] The people walk behind the wall so their bodies do not cast shadows for the prisoners to see, but the objects they carry do ("just as puppet showmen have screens in front of them at which they work their puppets" (514a)[1]). The prisoners cannot see any of this behind them and are only able to see the shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them. The sounds of the people talking echo off the shadowed wall, and the prisoners falsely believe these sounds come from the shadows (514c).[1]

Socrates suggests that the shadows constitute reality for the prisoners because they have never seen anything else; they do not realize that what they see are shadows of objects in front of a fire, much less that these objects are inspired by real living things outside the cave (514b-515a).[1]
Departure from the cave
Allegory of the Cave. Left (From top to bottom): Sun; Natural things; Shadows of natural things; Fire; Artificial objects; Shadows of artificial objects; Allegory level.
Right (From top to bottom): "Good" idea, Ideas, Mathematical objects, Light, Creatures and Objects, Image, Analogy of the Sun, and the Analogy of the Divided Line

Plato then supposes that one prisoner is freed, being forced to turn and see the fire. The light would hurt his eyes and make it hard for him to see the objects that are casting the shadows. If he is told that what he saw before was not real but instead that the objects he is now struggling to see are, he would not believe it. In his pain, Plato continues, the freed prisoner would turn away and run back to what he can see and is accustomed to, that is the shadows of the carried objects. He writes "...it would hurt his eyes, and he would escape by turning away to the things which he was able to look at, and these he would believe to be clearer than what was being shown to him."[1]

Plato continues: "suppose...that someone should drag him...by force, up the rough ascent, the steep way up, and never stop until he could drag him out into the light of the sun."[1] The prisoner would be angry and in pain, and this would only worsen when the radiant light of the sun overwhelms his eyes and blinds him.[1] The sunlight is representative of the new reality and knowledge that the freed prisoner is experiencing.

Slowly, his eyes adjust to the light of the sun. First he can only see shadows. Gradually he can see the reflections of people and things in water and then later see the people and things themselves. Eventually he is able to look at the stars and moon at night until finally he can look upon the sun itself (516a).[1] Only after he can look straight at the sun "is he able to reason about it" and what it is (516b).[1] (See also Plato's Analogy of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI.)[3]
Return to the cave

Plato continues, saying that the freed prisoner would think that the real world was superior to the world he experienced in the cave; "he would bless himself for the change, and pity [the other prisoners]" and would want to bring his fellow cave dwellers out of the cave and into the sunlight (516c).[1]

The returning prisoner, whose eyes have become acclimated to the light of the sun, would be blind when he re-enters the cave, just as he was when he was first exposed to the sun (516e).[1] The prisoners, according to Plato, would infer from the returning man's blindness that the journey out of the cave had harmed him and that they should not undertake a similar journey. Socrates concludes that the prisoners, if they were able, would therefore reach out and kill anyone who attempted to drag them out of the cave (517a).[1]
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 15:25
Parable of the wedding party

Jesus responded by speaking again in parables:  “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding party for his son.  He sent his servants to call those invited to the wedding party. But they didn’t want to come.  Again he sent other servants and said to them, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Look, the meal is all prepared. I’ve butchered the oxen and the fattened cattle. Now everything’s ready. Come to the wedding party!” ’  But they paid no attention and went away—some to their fields, others to their businesses.  The rest of them grabbed his servants, abused them, and killed them.

“The king was angry. He sent his soldiers to destroy those murderers and set their city on fire.  Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding party is prepared, but those who were invited weren’t worthy.  Therefore, go to the roads on the edge of town and invite everyone you find to the wedding party.’

“Then those servants went to the roads and gathered everyone they found, both evil and good. The wedding party was full of guests.  Now when the king came in and saw the guests, he spotted a man who wasn’t wearing wedding clothes.  He said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But he was speechless.  Then the king said to his servants, ‘Tie his hands and feet and throw him out into the farthest darkness. People there will be weeping and grinding their teeth.’

“Many people are invited, but few people are chosen.”
By:
Ovalman.
When: 18 Sep 16 16:13
I think your 3 sandwiches short of a picnic and I didn't need science to work out that.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 16:14
I don't eat bread...
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 18 Sep 16 16:15
the bible is god's relationship with man - his love story.
Man has professed his independence. God cannot force himself
on to man. In the old jewish betrothal ceremony the groom must
pay a price for the bride. Her dowry. after the price is paid,
the groom departs and goes to his father's house and starts to
build a room adjacent to the main house. the bridal suite. After
it's construction, he sets out at midnight and with his entourage,
his best men, they come back to claim the bride.

Christ has paid the price on the cross, he has withdrawn to make
ready all the places for the saved.

"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would
have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto
myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
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