at the very very begining there was nothing.

Time is a dimension, how can it oversee everything? It's a point of reference.

I will have to think on that Alpha

I'm just having some fun with brassneck, but I am right.

Any point of our Earth's existance is still present, it depends how far away you are when you observe it.

Time as a dimension, we can only move forward in it, we can never move back.

We cannot help moving forward in it can we, time always passes.

in fact he proved that if you are waiting on a bus and stand at a tall building the bus will be slow about coming to you ,but if you stand at the bus stop 50 yards away and there is heavy traffic the bus comes quicker in your mind.
15 minutes to go and you are on overs and its 1-1 time goes so quickly,if you are on unders the same 15 minutes are endless.

That's a contradiction, if we move in it, it must stay still so it can't pass.  Each point of time is therefore stationary.

brassneck

I will have to think on that Brassneck

time watches everything decay.

sorry Alpha

Time for bed..or is it?

check out the shapley supercluster the only discovered it a few years back and its the biggest galaxy in the universe.in fact its a group of galaxies 650 light years across and hubble can not pick it up its view is blocked.

night all

night

Mr Ebulgery.

I'm not against science - i am merely pointing out that you rely on it too much, the Big Bang theory creator - Georges Lemaître(Belgian priest) could think for himself.
All of science laughed at his theory - Einstein laughed. the priest obviously had read the bible. 'god stretched out the heavens like a scroll' changing metaphor into a modern theory.
(see bbc4 iplayer-the beginning and end of the universe hosted by Professor Jim Al-Khalili )

atheists always point out inconsistencies in the bible - take out the beam in your own eye first? Science is becoming a competing religion. I turned the tables and pointed out some inconstancy about holy science and you cry - why? science has been good you say. why are you painting it black.

double standard much?

You called me Mr, Zorro, that is an improvement

You think Lemaître...contradicted Einstein, because of the Bible? I do not think so, he had used physics and maths.
Einstein complemented him on his maths, but said his physics was atrocious....even Einstein could be wrong.

I suppose if people attack your religion, you feel it is right to attack science, so ok I suppose

I believe in science totally, as for religion I would like to believe, but I would still not drop my science belief.

They would have to work together, as Lemaitre thought, I like him very much...

I've watched Horizon since I was a little oink. James Burke lectures and Carl Sagan were always on in the background, I love science. I build my own computers. I used HTML as part of my course in Graphic design. I was at one time going to do a computer science course but decided to do the graphics course instead. I watch Cosmos all the time. I was a devout atheist for twenty-five years. my head was turned on to Christianity as I tried to disprove this wacky nonsense to my brother. But I soon realized that is a mistake. It stands up to scrutiny. I believe because of science and reason - not because I've got faith.

We're on Betfair and the odds support a creator.
Fraces Crick's observations are one instance and that in itself should be enough (10 to the poer of  260) but there are hundreds of scientific reasons that line up to a creator. with equally forboding odds. multiply them together? would you back a thousand to one in Betfair very often? why not?

560 years before Christ Daniel saw a vision -
“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. So you are to know and discern that from the issuing
of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and
moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come
will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.” Daniel 9:24-26 (NASB)

http://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-the-correct-calculation-of-daniels-69-weeks/

one week is missing - only 69 of the 70 weeks were used? a week is 7 years in God's time. Jesus completed the first part of Isaiah, the second part dealing
with God's vengeance is still to come.

Luke 4:17-21New International Version (NIV)

17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him(JESUS). Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,  to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Jesus famously stopped at a comma in Isaiah's text. the rest will be fulfilled when he returns. he was cut off...

......To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. Isaiah 61.

For the umpteenth time, the Bible is a book written by ignorant men and doesn't contain one single significant insight into the nature of the universe.  If it contains anything that seems to accord with modern thinking, it is at the most banal level and dwarfed by the utter nonsense contained in its covers.

a week is 7 years in god`s time...horse manure detector started to twitch here.
how did we come to this conclusion? a quote from the Bible might be a start saying that instead of saying seven years god will mean seven days, except when it dosn`t and a day means a day and a year means a year....

the Bible is a book written by very intelligent people, very beautiful and maybe the greatest work of literature ever produced. It contains many very important insights into the nature of things, to say it is banal must be one of the stupidest things ever said.

to say it is banal must be one of the stupidest things ever said

It might be, but I didn't say that.

yes i know, you said that where it connects with modern thinking, and i assume you mean scientific ideas it is only on a basic level? assuming you meant basic instead of banal.

they are not the same thing, this is what i meant.

so you have also used the term ignorant men to describe the writers of the Bible. and that its thought and ideas and view of the world is banal in comparison to modern man.
but then again look at the book of Genesis. how closely the description and the timeline of events of the formation of the world corresponds to modern scientific theory of evolution and how the world was formed...2000 years before Darwin

3000 years?

Genesis is precisely the kind of writing that I was referring to.  A child could make up that creation story from their observations of the world.  eg rain comes from the "heavens" so they must be made of water.  The order of creation is patently incorrect.  The egocentric view of the world as the centre of everything quite plainly displayed.  The sun and moon described as "lights" and created after the earth.

from the creation of  light through to the formation of the land and the sea and the grass and herbs and trees on the land and the fish and sea creatures and then the larger animals on land and finally on the 6th day man was created.
everything in there as described by evolutionary scientists and in pretty much the correct order, this is quite a good trick to manage 3000 years before Darwin

In the beginning there was potential.

cretins - it's metaphorical. it's for readers in the first century AD as well as the 21st century. When it mentions a place name for instance it mentions the original name not the current name at present (at the time of writing)

the men writing it are of their time. they aren't 21st century scientists.

If you were from the first century and you saw a airplane in the sky - how might you describe it. They lived their lives without programming from the boob tube, without LSD and Gameboy. You are the mentally defective generations. Images are beamed at you at 24 frames a second and you wonder why you have a headache? you eat slurry and wonder why you have acid reflux. You don't even know what sex you are anymore. you are proud of you iniquity.

as Beyonce sung in her album Leomonade - 'I plugged my menses with pages of the holy book'
- keep the flashing images coming darling. It takes a lot to penetrate their noggins.

If people decide to be non-believers that is their choice.

But I ask this question... If your parents gave life to you , then who gave you a conscience & spirit ?

Our parents didn't give us that....

Maybe not..... But my mom & dad did give me a second hand Hillman Avenger on my 21st birthday

The answer's 42.

dave1357 • September 7, 2016 8:18 AM BST
For the umpteenth time, the Bible is a book written by ignorant men and doesn't contain one single significant insight into the nature of the universe.  If it contains anything that seems to accord with modern thinking, it is at the most banal level and dwarfed by the utter nonsense contained in its covers.


The Bible was  written by 40 authors who wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years. These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (see 2 Timothy 3:16-17). [1] Moses was the first person to write portions of Scripture while John, the disciple of Jesus, was the last. Other famous people who wrote the Bible include: David, Daniel, Peter, Paul, Jonah, Isaiah, Solomon and David.

None of them asked to be chosen. God chose them because of they're pure heart... We as humans ( Flesh ) can only try to see into another persons heart. God knows a persons true heart and see's their ( Spirit) also.

These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (see 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Cyclical argument, refer to a passage in the book to claim proof of something about the book.
The Holy Spirit is a creation of the human mind with no evidence for it's existence.

None of them asked to be chosen. God chose them because of they're pure heart... We as humans ( Flesh ) can only try to see into another persons heart. God knows a persons true heart and see's their ( Spirit) also.

Bunkum

It was as if time and space had been frozen by the tinkly magic of the Guru's voice. Little did they know that this curious event would lead Wubble-U to the true meaning of love, life & the joys of an english summer - as in "Petal", their blindingly superb single available on GO!Discs. "Thats the last bleedin' time we borrow bamboo cane from any old fridge freezer," remarked Deptford, "'E's really lost the farkin' plot mate."

May I ask then...  If you was on trial in a court and you may be required to give evidence for the prosecution as a result of either being a victim of or a witness to a crime, or you could be asked to give evidence for the defence.

Would you lie knowing you've taken the oath / Bible by the judge ?

Surely someone who does not believe in God or his word in the Bible would have no regrets lying under oath ?

God says not to make oaths - the court system allows for individuals that do not want to take the jury duty oath to do something else.

the bible says you have no power to fulfill any promise. i think you can give your word that you will try to complete a task, but you cannot promise. promises get broken.

I would not lie in court as I would have given my word that I would speak the truth.
I have been a member of a jury and gave my word in lieu of swearing on the bible.
It is well documented that many people have lied after swearing an oath on the bible or other holy book.
If you need the fear of god to act honourably then what does that say about you?

Fionavon that is a lie - bold faced lie. (are you working for satan?)

Jesus -  John 15:26-27Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

26 “I will send you the Helper from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me. And you will tell people about me too, because you have been with me from the beginning.

Pentecost - the holy spirit descended on the apostles, tongues of flame above their heads. They spoke in tongues, every language understood.
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At Jesus' baptist with John, the dove is the holy spirit, God bestows his blessing on Jesus. All three aspects of God are there at once. the trinity - Godhead.

It's not a lie, zorro, it's a difference of opinion. You choose to believe the bible stories, I don't.
Satsn doesn't exist so how can I be working for him?

Fionavon - this is a fallen world - you expect too much from people - everyone is condemned under the law. No man is innocent. Many a FIEND has hidden behind a bible. Satan knows every word of the bible. there are religious demons that dissect it to find passages to use against the faithful.

I have a good idea of how corrupt this world is. Nothing to do with demons or satan just a result of human greed and vanity.

here are men that take oaths  - the freemasons

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.

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these men make the laws you live by. Satan worshippers. Satan owns this world until Christ takes it back.

General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.

    “That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.

    If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?

    Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

    Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”

Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)

They say evil is good and good evil -

the pawnee indians (USA) sacrificed young women to their God. The god of the morning star.
this is a title given to Satan(google god of the morning star). How does a tribe of indians, isolated from other cultures know about Satan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_mythology

All primitive societies invented creation myths and gods of good and evil. Many had a god for just about everything. The surprising thing is that most people still indulge in this form of hallucination and maintain that their particular brand is the only true one.

that's a stretch - they use a name that's in the bible.

How do you feel being ruled by men in aprons across the world that create the laws?
that restrict every freedom you think you have? It's not a church doing that?
There are many on this forum that would join their ranks to get ahead in life?
I had a few uncles in the freemasons. Just to get a better job.
George Washington was a mason.

I think you'll find that's just an interpretation made by Christians. They refer to Morning Star as male, whereas the morning star is another name for Venus (female) in Western mythology.
I don't know anything about the masons but from what you tell me it seems to be organised like a religion and is another self-serving community. I would need to listen to both sides of the argument in order to make up my mind about them.

You never told us what momentous event happened at Passover this year. You said that something was going to happen. Perhaps I shouldn't ask.

you seem to think because there are 3000 gods that they are all fake. that's logical. but Satan isn't going to sit on his hands and do nothing to spite God.
He took a third of the angels with him. An angel is a god in this world. a living atomic bomb. he does not have wings, there are no lady angels.It's not some tv show - touched by an angel?  they tried to contaminate man's bloodlines at the time of Noah. by creating demi gods.(greek gods, 1500 bc) God flooded the earth to drown them. all he did was thin their numbers.

Tares among Wheat

24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy(satan) came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.  But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.  The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves *said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ But he *said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Tares are oat weeds, that take the nourishment out of the soil meant for the wheat(the good crop) Satan sows false beliefs and religions as a way of competing with the true church of philidelphia.

this is a war that's been raging for millenia. Satan creates a new false religion and belief system every year. where do you hide a tree?

I'll be ok then 'cos I'm a coeliac, which means I can't eat wheat, rye, barley, oats and (sadly) hops!

a level one(astronomy website's words)  celestial meeting of the moon with Jupiter and venus on passover.

this year is the end of the land lease. Grace period is over.

north Korea - let's look at the enemies plan, which he published for us. owned by Rothschild - chatham house(formerly east india house).

Chatham House - aka East India House - Was the East India company - The company received a Royal Charter from Queen Elizabeth I on 31 December 1600.

Chatham House: International Affairs Think Tank ?

previous members - Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Engels, Rothschild, Adam Smith, Duke of Wellington, Edmund Burke, John Stuart Mill, Thomas Malthus.

The East India House Inscription is an important foundation tablet from ancient Babylon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_House_Inscription

"We still talk about the British conquering India, but that phrase disguises a more sinister reality. It was not the British government that seized India at the end of the 18th century, but a dangerously unregulated private company headquartered in one small office, five windows wide, in London, and managed in India by an unstable sociopath – Clive." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/04/east-india-company-original-co...

celestial meeting of the moon with Jupiter and venus on passover.

Well, they didn't really meet on Passover, did they? Just relative positions viewed from the Earth. The Sun is much closer to the Moon and Venus than is Jupiter and doesn't even get a mention.

ROTHSCHILD publication. Good horses to back. Each way.

Nice artwork but unoriginal.

two cards are tipped, at a slant - judgement in 2017 and the star, a falling star? see the faces in the stars? they go up as the star falls to hit the ground? the devil will take care of you.. good luck with that? take your chances on the wheel of fortune.
roll up, roll up - it's the end. the beginning of the end for evil. Satan gets his throne. bucket list ticked. he's happy. You all get the new tech implants. make an oath or die. it's a happening. tra la la. down the path straight into the wolf's mouth.

Very inventive, however I respectfully decline the invitation to share your delusional perceptions.
(with apologies to Scott Adams).

chomp chomp chomp - mmmm tasty. only one year to go... and the meteor hits. Oh dear... what was that? Doris the front garden is gone? get me the council on the phone. they can't do this to me, i'm C of E.

Gee, i guess it's the fault of that God guy.. he's been threatening us for years. the nerve of that guy. Thinks he made the universe and can do whatever he wants? well I'll tell him when I see him.

Oh, Foinavon... yer in trouble - no more GRACE. As the boys of U2 say - the world has come asunder.

Dear oh dear, I'm 72 matey but I expect to outlive your prediction.

Age doesn't bring wisdom. Wisdom comes from God.

You've chosen to deny his love. Your father in Heaven. He will not force you into heaven. your free will gives you the right to turn down the free pardon. You will be quarantined. because immortal souls that will not divest themselves of sin cannot be allowed to run around causing mayhem.

Pride comes at a price.

we live out our lives in four dimensions. LBH and time. Physicists say there are between 12 and 50 dimensions depending on the physicist?

All the universe is 4 dimensions. Something is outside looking in.

# what are ya gonna do after the rapture?
Are you gonna hang tight, continue to talk shi te.
With zombies on the lawn. With the president gone.
What are ya gonna do…. After the rapture.

Each some GmO goo , hire a prossie or two.
Go down to the café and get a bowl of stew.
What are ya gonna do after the rapture..
Meet the AC at night, have a naked fist fight.
Oh what are ya gonna do when the shi te hits the fan.
When the bill shows up for the stupid eco plan.

Monkeys finally singing Grace,  it’s now 'the human race'.
What are you gonna do after…… the rapture.#

i need more verses to my song... sing along.

More veiled threats from the christer, it really is an unpleasant creed just like its sisters. Bubble bubble toil and trouble from the three witches. Empty threats which have an insidious effect on the faithful. I feel sorry for them.

it's only a threat if he's real, mr foinavon.

you live under the law. Is the law real? the men that make those laws believe in Satan.
with every new law they find a new way to convict you.
prince william with a cell phone in the car? he had to make an excuse? in the radio show this week.
you are controlled by the beast system - the 666 system. Politics(6) law(6) religions(6)
Jesus gives you grace, a way out. Jesus(777)

you can accept Grace, the possibility however remote you may think it is? of immortality - energy that cannot be destroyed(physics) you can explore higher dimensions with God. or be locked into the course of refusing God. God doesn't damn anyone. they damn themselves by not accepting his authority. PRIDE. i'm smarter than God, I'm not like God. You've judged God and not yourself? the pot judging the potter. You see God as something fearful? when he put his son on the cross to save you? you believe satan's lies. you've sucked in the enemy's every word.

the fairy in the sky - the chocolate pot - spaghetti monster... you are full of other men's arguments. what's brainwashing?

Christians believe that god is real, therefore it's a real threat. They think it's an effective threat too.
God doesn't exist so your argument about being smarter than god is ridiculous.
I know that believers can't imagine that we really don't believe and think we are just posing. I have news for you, I used to think the same about believers, now I know they are just delusional.

the fool in his heart says there is no God...

Well all the physicists are coming over to my side. The fine tuning argument is beating your brains in.

the bible mentions the heavens being stretched out seventeen times. That's pretty good for a scroll that's 3000 years old.

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
Robert Jastrow,

“There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized.”
― Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom

The premise of the fine-tuned Universe assertion is that a small change in several of the dimensionless physical constants would make the Universe radically different. As Stephen Hawking has noted, "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."(wiki)

has anyone heard this?.... from Dawking. it has the appearance of being designed? whit? when your wife walks in and your fkin the maid... say... it only appears to you that i'm having my way with the maid. you cannot trust your eyes darling.

do not trust your eyes...

This is all well and good, but the important thing is, what horses are you backing tomorrow?

Sorry Zorro, I had to go out after my last post.
I'm not going to go through all that as most has been raked over before and it's late.
What I will say is that if you go to the far end of a phart you come to a point where our current knowledge breaks down and you are into unknown territory. Some may say that's because there's a god, others will speculate a multiverse or other ideas. It's all speculation. What I do know is that the god of that scenario isn't the god of the bible, you have redefined the word and not talking about the same thing although theologians and their sheep will happily confound the two concepts. Believe what you will but make the most of this life, it's the only one you have.

a multiverse 10^120 - Dawkins took that nonsense to Steven Weinberg and got a shocka.

Atheists Blind Faith - Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg - God or the multiverse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO0QRUX4HGE

the multiverse has been a fantasy of people for a hundred years or more, since Alice in Wonderland the idea has been knocking around in print? fall down a rabbit hole into a new world.

His own chosen expert - Steven Weinberg(physicist- nobel prize winner) lays it out in plain english as a fantasy. Multiverse is BS.

Cern has paid out the SuSy bet - no super symmetry evident? no multiverse. no string theory as yet? they are giving up with Cern and are looking to build a new better cern. the answers they got was not wanted?

10 to the power of 120. - impossible you d i c k s. stop saying multiverse just say popeye's jock strap instead.

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...   to one

just watch this - it got a banking psychopath to the verge of tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK-NLz8mv-c

8,500 men ruling the world, one guy behind them all. pitting everyone against each other. drawing them into conflicts. getting them to damn themselves.

You keep posting the same stuff, zorro and it gets tiresome.
Whatever the odds of a universe having certain characteristics, the odds against there being an intelligent creator behind it is even greater.
The blind faith and the arrogance is yours. When science doesn't know it says it doesn't know and tries to discover more in order to reveal the truth. Religion claims to know what it doesn't know and states it with absolute certainty rejecting all other possible explanations. If you want to persist with that approach then you are the poorer in understanding for it.

no one knows anything about these things. anyone who believes anything else is telling lies.

people such as zorro are fundamentally very dishonest individuals.

now has he made any predictions of anything that might happen this year, or next year?
there is one thing that is clear, when they don`t happen he will find an excuse why they didn`t happen.

I am not sure how the alignment of the planets, or the shape of the sky, or the way the way the rainfall falls down upon the beautiful mountains.
I am not sure what that means, do you know the Queen has a diamond which is cursed? I don`t know how that works either.

You could take some of Zorro's recent posts and change the word "scientist" and replace it with "Christian" or "Religious believer" and they would ring true.
He has invested so much in his belief system that any counter argument makes him more determined to contradict the argument by any means, even cutting and pasting nonsense from creationist websites.

how can there be a beginning of time

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, space and time are not separate entities but are the fabric of the universe known as Space-time. Space-time began with the universe and doesn't exist outside of a universe.
This is current thinking but all scientific theories are subject to being disproved then revised should contradictory evidence be discovered.

did anyone watch the clip about the financier that talked about the people in charge?
on youtube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK-NLz8mv-c

about predictions of the year - that's coming from the economist magazine
christian army vs communist army (north Korea?)
Atomic bombs and death(economist and katey perry)death card
hybrid - genetic advancements to be revealed (economist)moebius strip card
year of judgement (trump as world king)

lfc1971
no one knows anything about these things. anyone who believes anything else is telling lies.



in what context are you talking? What's 'these things' and what does anyone who believes anything else is telling lies? about?

the whole of this single line of text only makes sense if you are a mind reader?

Matthew 7:6

“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."

The meaning is pretty simple to figure out; "Do not persist in offering what is sacred or of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked."

Jesus clearly shows trying to convince a non-believer is a waste of time.

I'm not saying for one moment anyone on here is a Dog or Pig . It's simply a term used thousands of years ago.

The "dogs" and "swine" here stand for the unappreciative and worldly; unappreciative and uncaring men and women who belittle the value of what is offered to them. "That which is holy" would be the meat offered in sacrifice to God. A dog could care less whether it came from the altar or the garbage. The swine have no appreciation for either the beauty nor the value of the pearls under their feet.

Perhaps you should define the bounds of "Unappreciative and uncaring" too lest anyone take offence at such pejorative terms.

man sentenced to death for atheism ...Saudi Arabia.

some comments from followers of this religion, Saudi citizens:

" if you're a low-key atheist that's fine. But once you talk in public and critizise god or religion then you shall be punished"

"I wish you could have live streaming when you cut his head off, " said another post.

That was the attitude of Christianity too not all that long ago.

no I think in fairness to Christianity it was only in Christian countries that this sort of thing didn't happen and freedom of speech was allowed.

i've said to Fionavon before there are a lot of evil men who hide behind the bible. there are priests and ministers who are murderers and child molesters. They do not belong to the body of Christ. There are christians that believe you have to live a good life, without sin? this too is false and wicked teaching.
Jesus took all sins past and future to the cross and has paid the price. Those that accept Christ accept GRACE, a free pardon. This does not hand you a blank cheque to sin. Because you replace your sinful nature with Christ. You want to be the good son. Sin should not be preeminent in your life. If you were a thief, no more stealing. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Ultimately God sees if you are ernest.(not freddy)truthful? 

there are luciferians in the church, In the C of E, in all stratas of life - the clip I posted shows a man talk about how they control the 'dogs' those that are oblivious about where they are. They manipulate people into conflicts and wars, get people to invest their hatred against any group to damn themselves. They film each other killing children to gain leverage and blackmail power over each other, they take oaths, they belong to freemasonary, catholic groups, russian groups, skull and bones(usa), every nation, every religion. It's all one - Luciferian - they create enemies, dissolve them, create new ones and make money in the markets over it all. Russia was our ally now they are the enemy? Japan and Germany are our pals? the Saudis attacked the twin towers and we destroy Afghanistan and Iraq?
watch the guy talk in the clip.

For lfc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-f%C3%A9

I know you don't belong to an organised religious group, Zorro and I have commended you for it.

Foinavon that was the nature of the world at that time, but I think it is nonsense to say that all religions are equal.
some are barbaric by their very nature . It is not possible to have had the renaissance and the European enlightenment and advances in Human rights and democracy and the great freedoms we have without reference to the fact that these countries and its people , its scientists and artists and writers and rulers and citizens and justice system system and social  society etc  were Christian countries and Christian people.

again with the condemnation of the papists. they are not of Christ. they are Rome.
they tried to wrap him up in their own beliefs and make him lesser.
some of their congregation understand enough to be saved. some are lost in rituals.

you can pray to saints?(replacements for apollo and minerva and other minor deities) we all are saints who believe in Christ. only God makes saints. not man. there will be tribulation saints. men and women who die rather than take the mark.

Christ is God, he will not be pigeon holed or held by corporation laws. there is no governing body that controls God.

I agree that the overt political power and barbarism of the Roman church has diminished enormously since the Renaissance and is a putty cat compared with the one you allude to, lfc. Even in this country of free speech we are careful of criticising it and we all know why.
This does not mean that some would not like to see the power of the church restored and the blasphemy laws strengthened and enforced.
Why don't religions like open criticism of their beliefs and have even resisted translations of their holy books into languages all can understand? It's because their beliefs do not stand the test of logic.

you can download freeware to your pc, as it's downloading you get a status report. one percent, 5 percent and so on. it keeps changing it's mind when it will complete. 10 minutes and hour? thirty minutes, seven minutes. you get frustrated and press control alt del. the machine freezes up and you think it's still downloading. so you wait. the machine settles and there is no messages - so you go make a cup of tea... you get back and the file is on your pc's desktop. it appeared from nothing. in the blink of an eye it appeared.

the information had a sender, it popped out of nothing, it has no mass. it's a product of thought. it can be manipulated. it can change, be tweeked.

Jesus promised to make a place in heaven, when he was done his first action would be to come back for his bride. the timing of his return is uncertain, like the rigmarole above to download a file. When he appears our information will be translated from VHS to BLURAY. corrupted bodies will put on in-corruption. time and death defeated.

digital simulation theory is that a thing now? 



“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.  My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.  You know the way to the place where I am going.”

Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

“All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.  I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.  I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,  but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me.