Penge Police chase deaths

Poor kids. What a fecking scene caused by that little 17 yr old bastard..

.............. and tried to run away.
Not a thought for those he'd run down.
Horrible ****.

Absolutely sickening, if they were my family that he killed he had better find a good hiding place when he gets out of prison..

What price the media find away to blame the police for chasing him ?

So the deaths of 2 innocent bystanders was worth it?

Yes, the car thief was to blame but perhaps the police should show a bit of foresight.

The Metropolitan Police philosophy is that no pursuit is worth risking the safety of the public; that travelling through built-up areas at more than 40 or 50 mph is simply not worth it.

Were the police driving over 50miles an hour wes?

Just quoting what the police themselves state in such circumstances.

The fact that there are now 2 people dead will provide the family with little comfort as to what the speed was imo.

Of course it won't.

I was just wondering as you said the police should show some foresight in this instance.

I heard a report that stated the stolen car had been used to abduct a child.  If the police believed this to be the case they had little choice other than to maintain the pursuit.

sounds worse than i imagined...


A woman and a boy have been killed after they were hit by a stolen car being chased by police in Penge, southeast London.

Witnesses described seeing the pursued car losing control before ploughing into pedestrians in Lennard Road.

A man who lives nearby said: "It was a horrific scene on a sunny afternoon in a sleepy place.

"He lost control and ploughed into a family that was walking on the pavement down Lennard Road.

"People were trying to lift a car off a little girl. The police officers that were chasing were distraught."

One witness said the boy, who was 10, was related to the woman, believed to be her 30s or 40s.

Venissa Vassell, 18, heard sirens and a car screeching as she walked from a nearby train station and immediately ran to help.

She found twin girls aged around seven trapped under the car and about 20 people lifting it up to free them.

The girls "crawled out", but another girl, aged around 11, who was later taken away by ambulance, was screaming "I can't feel my legs".

Ms Vassell said: "I did CPR on this lady. I blew in her mouth. It wasn't working."

She described how the boy who died had initially seemed fine.

But then "by the time I came back to speak to the little girl to say 'your brother is alright' he was passed out."

Witness Tayla Goodman said she saw children running away from the scene after the car lost control on a bend.

It then ploughed into a grass bank on a housing estate.

She told Sky News: "It looked like carnage, it was absolutely awful to see. A woman ran through the police tape shouting 'that's my baby!"

Ilya Baxter, 23, saw the police chase from a window in his flat.

He described seeing a white man aged between 18 and 25 running across the road around the corner from the crashed car.

He said: "I heard the cars and saw someone pointing to the police where he went.

"I knocked on the window and pointed."

He said that the man was hiding in the bushes.

Police then caught the man, handcuffed him, and then went to help the injured, he added.

If your house gets burgled,the police give you a crime number and that's the end of it.Same applies if you get your wallet nicked,etc,etc.But when  someone takes an old banger worth £500 (news report),the police give chase,with obvious dangers to the public.This has got to stop.There are many ways to prevent a car being stolen nowadays and if owners can't be arsed to use one,they too should receive a crime number and nothing more.

If the police seen a burglar, mid act, climbing out of a house window with a bag of loot over his shoulder, would the complainer just get a crime number or would they give chase iyo?

Tend to agree with Roque.

Very difficult for the police and I have some sympathy with them. But I often think we underestimate how dangerous driving at normal speed is, let alone a car chase...

A tragic case.

jamesdean--missing my point. Injera--he was speeding because the police were chasing him.

The police were chasing him because he's stolen the car.

The day the police stop chasing criminals is the day crime goes through the roof imo

To suggest the car owners should have to take more precautions is ridiculous.

There is a 30 mile per hour speed limit, sometimes 40 per hour in these places. If highly trained police drivers cannot drive up to 50 miles per hour, only up to 10miles per hour faster than the public are allowed to drive, while chasing someone then you might as well take all the police off the streets/roads and just let the C.I.D catch criminals 6 months later after they've (criminals) commited even more crime.

I think giving the police that extra 10mile per hour speed limit is well within reason...

The toerag driving the car is totally and exclusively to blame for those deaths.Anything else is meaningless chatter.

Absolutely but by chasing him in a built up area you run the risk he will lose control. He's not trained to drive at high speeds. The coppers are.

How do you know he wasn't driving like a maniac before the police got on his tail?

First clear piece of road RPG up his arse.. Too drastic? Watch the stolen car thievery drop..

Dobby has been charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving, one count of causing serious injury by dangerous driving and two counts of causing death by driving whilst unlicensed and uninsured.

have the CPS  forgotten about the stolen car charges or did chit chat just make that bit up ?

looks like he has been charged with "aggravated vehicle taking " .

Its reported that the crash is only a mile from where the car was stolen, so how long had they been following?

Less than a minute at high speed, hardly a chase and not enough time to make a decision whether to continue if true.

Most of the young kids who steal cars drive like idiots regardless.