Nigel Farage speaks at Trump rally

The Poles, I don't think there is any problem of culture differences here. They are a nice people.
But when they come and work here they are taking the bread from out of the mouths of our own workers.

In this competitive World sadly, it is them or us. I think we should support us.

I did not work in the construction industry per see, but have family connections all to do with construction workers.
I know the problems they are having.

We do a lot of construction in this country, in the 80's we exported construction workers to Germany, no chance of that now.

As someone posted earlier on this or another  thread. Our own youngsters are not being trained in construction, so no future for them.

We must have less Poles, it is a question of survival, I apologise for it, but it must be.

Farage is a fantastic orator, of that there is no doubt. The best in the business. The americans love him. 

Comrade Corbyn still awaiting Hillary's call to address one of her rallies

What have I made up as I go along B-B ? I don't think the fact that Farage has a German wife is entirely irrelevant seeing that he wants to stop people from her country coming here.


Salmon Spray struggling to nail Farage with facts. So he starts to make things up....

This silly burk Salmon Spray is still struggling with the ' Control our borders ' concept.

Sorry Salmon i missed another of your pearls.

You might be right that Nige could have made even more as a stockbroker than he ( and his German wife ) does as an MEP,but it is less like hard work as he hardly bothers to turn up.



So he had the opportunity to be a multi millionaire trading commodities but chose the easy route, which included being publicy demonised, his family being threatened and years of checking under his car for explosives.

Oh you really area card Salmon. The joker you must be.

I think Farage looks a bit like a toad.

WOW Thank You Nigel, what a job!

Trumps words - great to see the 2 men working so well together.

The Far Lefties are hating it

BREXIT & TRUMP

Not that it's a laughing matter, both are/will be the right decisions

Naturally Facts would hate both Trump and Farage.

Facts hates his own country so a patriot like Farage would be abhorrent to him.

Trump is a man who wants to put America first,something else the lover of the strange Facts would find incomprehensible.

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Hi facts, trust you are well.  This is what borneo said.



Naturally Facts would hate both Trump and Farage.

Facts hates his own country so a patriot like Farage would be abhorrent to him.

Trump is a man who wants to put America first,something else the lover of the strange Facts would find incomprehensible.

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Ron Russian just laughed

IAN will be walking sideways before long..

Viva La Farage

Sir Nige is spreading his wings..

Probably thinks he can be President     

one day

Salmon still avoiding the responses to his fabrications.

Nothing new there it seems.

If you can't beat them, just make up sh1t about them ay Salmon?
A man of your age as well?

Salmon Spray is like Tony57 an old style genuine left winger.
His concerns are for the working people,he is not part of this new style metropolitan self loather.

Its understandable they are wary of Nigel Farage,understandable they are wary of Donald Trump.

The ordinary man was wary of Tony Benn at the start but they listened to what he was saying and realised he was on their side.
Its the same with Nigel Farage,listen to what he is saying in,he is now alone in standing up for the ordinary Brit.
He is demanding State aid for British industry ( steel) demanding a reopening of mines ( coal ) and British jobs for British workers.
Donald Trump despite all the bluster is saying the same.

Both men are railing on about low pay and are prepared to do something about it.

I see Hilary Clinton has joined the ranks to attack Farage using his comments out of context.

“Farage has called for a ban on the children of legal immigrants from public schools and health services, has said women are quote “worth less” than men, and supports scrapping laws that prevent employers from discriminating based on race — that’s who Trump wants by his side.The godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin. ”



Farage  never suggest that the children of legal immigrants are banned from public schools, but that people who have not paid in to the UK tax system should not be the beneficiaries of public money until they have paid in. This also included the idea of having private insurance to use Britain’s public services – a common thing in the United States.

Putin, Farage and Trump are about the best leaders we have...

If you would tell me what my fabrications are,as opposed to opinions with which you disagree,I will be happy to respond Zenmaster.

Farage is a public schoolboy,who was a stockbroker and then realised he could make more by milking the political system
He certainly tried to tell Americans how to vote
But Orwell didn't make his living first as a stockbroker and then milking,for every penny he could get,a political system he claims to despise
I don't think the fact that Farage has a German wife is entirely irrelevant seeing that he wants to stop people from her country coming here

he didn't realise he would make more money "milking the system"
he didn't tell the Americans how to vote
see no.1
he does not want to stop Germans coming here

He certainly milked the system. MEPs make more than MPs and their ( legitimate ) expenses are astronomical.
He said that if he was American he wouldn't vote for Hillary if she paid him. I think that covers that.
He certainly doesn't want to give free movement to all Germans. So alright he wants to stop SOME Germans coming here.

He looks and sounds like a snake oil seller.  Just like Blair did.  Unbelievable how easily he convinced the common man that he was a common man when he is nothing of the sort.

Do you know how much he was making as a stocbroker for a fact ? If you do and it was substantially more then I will partly back down on that ( only partly because Farage hardly bothered to attend the EU Parliament.) If he was making huge bucks flogging shares that rather obviously endorses his position as part of the establishment.
Grow up B-B and stop calling people prats like a silly schoolboy because somebody doesn't care for your hero.

like I said yesterday if he was money orientated as you imply he would have stayed a stockbroker. There is a third choice and that is to abstain, he has not and never has endorsed Donald Trump, he was interviewed again yesterday and reaffirmed what he said before that he thought some of his comments were distasteful. He welcomes any EU citizen who has the skills this country needs whether they are German or not.

you should worry more about the bunch of handwringers whose alter you worship at.

I don't think it was only money as Farage has a huge ego which needs feeding. And I'll give him credit that he no doubt genuinely believes the UK is better out of the EU ( so do I as it happens though I think the arguments are more finely balanced than he does ).
I'm not disputing he would let some Germans in but he certainly wants to restrict the unfettered access they have now. I didn't see his later comments in the US but it is being disingenuous to say he didn't endorse Trump when to great cheering ( at a Trump rally ) he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary if she paid him.
I don't support hand-wriners. As wildman has pointed out I am an old-style leftie who is probably as pissed off with some of what the PC brigade ( to which Blair and Cameron both belong ) come up with as you are.

*hand-wringers.
And I am sure you meant altars.

Like the lady said; "we' all wanna take our country back like y'all diyad". Yanks, doncha just love 'em.

yes I do actually

I don't think Trump or Farage or even Clinton do this for the money.
They are all rich.

They do it because they feel they have something to say. They feel they have the answers to the problems
of their country. So it is a cause with them.

They could also like the power and fame it gives them by being in charge of course. But I feel they all have belief in something

Each of us decides individually whether we agree with them or not, and vote for them or not.

EG despite what the media tell you Nigel is not rich, he owns a semi in Bromley worth half a mill and his wife drives a 4 year old Vauxhall Zafira.

I think you are right about most politicians ebulGery in that they are not in it primarily for the money ( Blair may well be an exception and there are others less prominent ). Unfortunately it is not only about their cause but also about their egos to a greater or lesser extent. Trump seems to be right at the high end of ego rather than cause scale. Much higher than Farage tbf.

Farage was a Tory member when wanting to rebel against the Maastricht Treaty.
After realising other members who agreed with him would never stand against the political establishment regarding the EU, he realised he would have to tackle it outside of the political establishment. Hence Ukip were born.

It is the political establishment we are talking about here salmon, one that is hellbent for federalisation and forced integration.
It is unlikely you would get a working class hero with the knowhow regarding shocking the political establishment as Farage has done.
Farage had the knowledge because he had worked from the inside, he was perfect. No - one else like him.

You can call him a populist but he is not an opportunist. He is the oracle of the mechanisms of the EU which is why non of our main party leaders would go head to head with him during the referendum debates.

That's quite an impressive eulogy ZenMaster. It's not quite how I see him but there is nothing to which I would take exception tbf.

I know that you won't read this in the Guardian Facts, but the correct word is
Nativist

Wearing Union Jack shoes is not racist Facts.

Out of interest, did Farage refuse his earnings from the EU for the last few years?
If not, what work did he actually do?

He is worth every penny Study.
His efforts to voice opposition to the EU and bring an end to the entire EU charade is legendary.

He is a modern day HenryVII

HenryVIII

He's a half-man with whining victim tendencies.

Farage, not ZenMaster.

More like Edward VIII, I think

He's a half-man with whining victim tendencies.



Ironically, how the Remainers will be remembered.

Count up to two.

The strength of ANY government system is its inherent ability to listen to opposing views and form a balanced decision that works for all.As soon as any leadership seeks to disparage and ignore dissent it becomes broken over time. The EU is corrupt and would have shown strength by heeding Farage instead of attacking the man,thereby sealing its own fate over time IMHO.

George 1
Osbourne 2

hth

You still don't see it United Biscuits....we are out the EU because people voted us out in a democratic referendum.

Farage and UKIP campaigned to get us out of the EU because he believed we would be better outside the EU.

But it was the people of this country who took us out by democratic vote, not Farage.

He was a right laugh at school, the teachers couldn't cope with him.

A man not cowed by authority.

One man's poison is another man's medicine and all that jazz UB.

If Farage was never born Gery, there would not have been a referendum.

And, on the theme of Farage's character, does anyone remember the aftermath to the Jo Cox execution, when Farage slipped back into "victim" mode, making the tragedy all about the muted impact of his posters?


Nope,but i do remember Farage saying that he was pulling the poster in light of what happened to Jo Cox, due to the responses regarding the poster.
There was no victim mode being played at all UB.

But you know that anyway.

Also UB, you know Farage has never bottled any debate.

He runs rings around them all.

But you know this as well.

ZenMaster  • August 26, 2016 8:42 PM BST 
If Farage was never born Gery, there would not have been a referendum.

You cannot say that for certain ZenMaster, how would you know.

Also I should point out it was David Cameron who gave us the referendum, not Farage

so if anyone is to blame, surely it must be David Cameron, it was his choice.

Cameron's decision. Purely to reestablish his standing and his ' position in history' A purely selfish motive.
The vote to leave result was a classic example of a ' **** up ' on Camerons part.
Showed his true worth by immediately resigning and running to the hills.

I agree with that facts.....Cameron was too clever by half.
I rate him as our worst PM ever, even before that.

united biscuits
You are saying people were influenced by the Joe Cox murder into voting for brexit
It did not influence me...it was clearly a madman who murdered her, who could have attached himself to any cause
I find it hard to believe it influenced anybody...but if it did...it means that people are even more stupid I thought.

That madman had actually constructed his own gun, which takes time, so I think he had been going mad long before the referendum
campaign started.
just my own opinion

ok united buscuits
tbh I am not that interested in Farage

I think the basic cause of the mess we are in is the EU itself.

What was the aim of the EU because people have different views on this

Some people, including myself, though the EU just meant no tariffs, allowing Europen companies to compete over a wider range of countries
which would enable them to grow large enough to compete with multi nationals, in particular American multi nationals.

But others seem to have seen it as an opportunity to make Europe into one country, doing away with individual countries.
We are all part of the country Europe. It is because of this view of things the EU expanded too much, too quickly.

The tipping point was allowing East European and Balkan countries into the EU in 2001. These were extremely poor ex communist countries.
The people of these countries have taken the opportunity to work elsewhere in the EU to earn more money. We are a popular destination.
Since 2001 we have been absorbing one million immigrants every three years.

There have been other problems with the EU, do we need a European parliament, European Justice the common agricultural policy?
A gross waste of money. Countries were allowed to run up unacceptable debt levels which have endangered the EU, Greece being the worst here.

As an example of human incompetence the EU has done well.

It probably has one or two good bits tbh

Unfortunately this country is now in the unfortunate situation where we either lose our country or go bankrupt,
as I am not sure we can afford to leave the EU.

I hope the future is better than this honestly

Also I should point out it was David Cameron who gave us the referendum, not Farage


Any Tory leader would have been spooked by the popularity of Ukip, the Tories would have haemorrhaged more votes to Ukip without a promise of a referendum.
Cameron was being swept down a riptide created by Farage.

This was all down to Farage.

No Farage, no riptide.

It's incredible what one man can do to the political establishment.

Hence why the establishment led media channels have demonised him for wearing Union Jack shoes!

zenmaster

So they would have haemorrhaged more votes to UKIP?

What of it??????

Does that mean that David Cameron endangers the whole country by giving us the opportunity to leave the EU?
That is the sign of a weak and incompetent Leader, if Cameron believed leaving the EU would harm us.
If Cameron was a strong leader, he should have ignored it.

Cameron governed us not Farage, so Cameron takes the responsibility, that what he was being paid for.

We don't know yet whether us leaving the EU is going to benefit or harm us at the moment do we?

The people voted, we have decided to leave by majority, so be it.

burt

Mrs Farage ought to get that Zafira checked over

they have a habit of spontaneous combustion

What of it??????


Obviously losing votes and MP's to Ukip is not the ingredient to keeping a foothold in power.
Let's not forget Labour was favourite and ahead in the polls. Cameron was under huge pressure not to hand over the keys to Miliband.
Unlikely as it was the Tories would gain a majority success, he offered the referendum just to get over the line.

In another coalition the referendum could be talked down.
Boom the Tories win with a majority.

By the way, Cameron never believed voting to Leave would 'endanger the whole country'
He would not say one way or another in the initial discussions about any impending referendum 6 months before.

Some of us would have preferred Miliband to win

By the way, Cameron never believed voting to Leave would 'endanger the whole country'
I see....yet he campaigned for us to stay in the EU........how do you work that out?

This is not his first offence either, Cameron had previously offered Scotland a referendum to leave us
which I consider endangered the unity of the UK
Surprisingly he got away with that one, much to Xmoneys disappointment

that was nothing to do with Farage

Is it morally right to do things that harm one's own country

just to keep a foothold in power?

I do not believe it is!

Bill clinton area

I see....yet he campaigned for us to stay in the EUCrazy........how do you work that out?


Just because Cameron campaigned to Leave the EU does not mean he thought it would endanger the country if we voted out.
He lined himself up alongside the establishment backed *experts* Gery, yet 6 months before this he was on record revealing how the UK would do ok outside the EU.

138 Tory MP's supported Brexit Gery, Cameron could have been easily swayed to support it as well behind closed doors.
Like all the Tory Party, Cameron will embrace Brexit.....it just means more work for most of them, not so much an endanger issue.

All because of Farage.

Sorry Gery getting weary now

Just because Cameron campaigned to *Remain* in the EU does not mean he thought it would endanger the country if we voted out.

Then why did he use those implied phrases during the Campaign ?

^ his ' scaremongering tactics '

I agree Facts.

However there is no point in blaming Farage, Cameron or anyone else now Zenmaster.

Because the people of this country voted DEMOCRATICALLY to leave the EU....so it was the peoples choice.

I don't know what will happen now?

Then why did he use those implied phrases during the Campaign ?


You already know the answer to that Facts.
Same reason Osbourne suggested there would have to be an emergency budget in the wake of a Leave vote.

Gery
I am not blaming anyone, i am giving full credit to Farage for pressure applied and spooking Cameron.
Incredible really, considering Ukip only have one MP. However that is more to do with our voting system more than support in voters nationally.

If you think Trump and Farage are the only ones concerned with immigration, you are not living in this world, anxious.
just my opinion

Nobody has to agree with them if they do not want to. People are supposed to have a brain of their own??????????????????????????

Would you be guilty of fear and hatred if you lock your door when you go out anxious?
Are nightclubs guilty of fear and hatred for having security manning the doors?

Controlling borders is same thing but on a larger scale.
Being in control is not a fear or hate issue. It's a security issue.

Did I say it doesn't concern me , no this issue especially with Trump is pure opportunism in fact I think he revels in the chaos of fear and hatred.

Not sure if anyones not seen these, Nigel on USA news after his Trump speech.
Worth watching!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upUSy8zD3Qw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6eA5IcjwE

Thanks for that Ron.

Nigel just oozes common sense, this side of the pond or that.

legends

Does that mean that David Cameron endangers the whole country by giving us the opportunity to leave the EU?

Clearly 17 million voters thought that was never the truth. PMSL.

anxious  • August 27, 2016 11:06 AM BST 
Did I say it doesn't concern me , no this issue especially with Trump is pure opportunism in fact I think he revels in the chaos of fear and hatred.

Not everybody see the words immigration control as words of fear and hatred, this is down to the individual.

Some of us are concerned about immigration levels because of what this is doing to our own people.
I get on ok with most immigrants on a personal level....I do not fear or hate them. I just think there are too many of them
over here.

I agree there a far too many

David Cameron wanted the cheap labour for his big business friends,the ones that bankrolled him.

Labour wanted the extra voters.

Neither were ever affected by mass immigration,they never live in the affected areas.

Nigel Farage was the only politician to speak for those affected.

That's what makes him a working class hero.

Cameron may not have been bothered about the cheap labour benefit but as a politician it was easier to anticpate the loud lobbying and be cowardly while appeasing by taking the greasy way out and calling ordinary people racist while doing nothing in reality about the problems.Farage effectively called him out on that and the british people spoke for once.

Lol. Thinking of Cameron taking the greasy way out.

The UK voted for political independence without a shot being fired Gery.

If you think political independence harms one`s own country then perhaps you need to revisit your own internal dialogue.

I did not say political independence harm's one own country zenmaster

I said being outside the EU may harm us from a trade point of view.

I also questioned whether David Cameron should have offered us a referendum if he felt that it would,

since his motive was only to win an election. This does not seem to me a very moral thing to do.

Of course if he felt we had to have a referendum on principle then that would have been morally correct..

I doubt this though. I think Cameron was a moral vacuum, he did anything just to get and keep power.

UKIP wiped the floor with all parties at the last Euro elections he couldn't ignore that.

Well if you thought he did the morally correct thing then ok BB.

I have doubts myself.

Also I note that when Crimea voted by 97% to join Russia we did not accept that.

We have imposed sanctions against them which harms both of us?????????????????????

People should decide whether they believe in referendums or not.

Anyway it is the people who have decided to leave the EU.

It was not the decision of either Farage or Cameron.

sanctions were not imposed because of a referendum they were imposed by the EU and it's killing our farmers.

I know BB, so we can now trade with Russia as we are out the EU, but will we?

It was not the decision of either Farage or Cameron.


Farage pressurised Cameron to offer the referendum.
Without Farage = no referendum.

You know that Gery.

I do not know that ZenMaster

Farage did not pressurise Cameron......he stood up for what he believed in

Perhaps Cameron should have done the same!

Well if you thought he did the morally correct thing then ok BB.

Why are you concentrating on whether Cameron was morally correct in offering the referendum?
It was tactical. I doubt very much Cameron was confident of winning the GE with a majority.

However he kept his word.
We had the referendum.

Because I think we would benefit if our leaders operated on some Moral basis.

I do not appreciate leaders who keeping telling us lies, look at the mess it lands us in!

The moral basis was that Cameron realised the public wanted the referendum Gery.

He may not have wanted it.

But through Farage, Cameron realised the weight of support for a referendum was too much to ignore.

Then he should be grateful to Farage

We should all be grateful to Farage.

If the referendum was to sign up for the 1993 Maastricht Treaty with our 23 years of hindsight, it would never happen.
Farage has been challenging this since 1993. 11 years before the 2004 Enlargement of the EU when Poland and the other 9 countries became EU members and introducing free movement for them.

So Farage was opposing the EU as a founder member of Ukip 11 years before the EU migrant issues were upon us.
Yet he still gets accused of blaming immigrants for everything.

Most of those who demonise him are totally ignorant to his path.

Well said Zen, all the loudmouth pundits failed to listen to Farage whenever he mentioned it was more about democracy rather than immigration. The link was that without our own freedom to decide we couldn't do anything about mass immigration levels.I feel the BBC was fully responsible for smearing Farage and would love him to be appointed Director General tobring them to heel !