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brassneck
22 Aug 16 23:48
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bet you will not beat these three.
1=William SHAKESPEARE
2=Isaac Newton
3=Henry v111
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Report salmon spray August 22, 2016 11:50 PM BST
Certainly Shakespeare
Possibly Newton
Elizabeth I rather than her dad imo.
Report Velasquez August 22, 2016 11:51 PM BST
Shakespeare
Churchill
John Lennon
Report crags August 22, 2016 11:57 PM BST
Kate Bush CBE

Lord Bowie

Chris Martin ~ or Matt Bellamy
Report crags August 22, 2016 11:58 PM BST
Kate's mother was Irish, but Kate is an English Rose Love
Report sofiakenny August 23, 2016 12:28 AM BST
julian clary
bobby davro
jimmy savile
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 12:32 AM BST
Thinking about it if you have a scientist Darwin rather than Newton. A lot of Newton's science has been superceded.
Report Velasquez August 23, 2016 1:18 AM BST
Laugh

Yeah, apples no longer fall to the ground.
Report Crisp77 August 23, 2016 8:43 AM BST
At the moment

Mo Farah
Sadiq Khan
Tom Daley
Report wildmanfromborneo August 23, 2016 9:21 AM BST
Winston Churchill
Enoch Powell
Nigel Farage.

Three rarities,honest English patriots.
Report anxious August 23, 2016 9:31 AM BST
Ian Botham
Bobby Charlton
John Lennon
Report pumphol. August 23, 2016 9:50 AM BST
A complicated question but it shouldn't be, The three most famous English people of all time as we stand now would have been different 10, 25, 50, 100 years ago, just because someone may be in the list now who may well be still alive or very recently deceased they would not qualify because the question says OF ALL TIME, so people being asked in 1716 1816 & 1916 may well have said Isaac Newton which surely beats the pants off any c r a p answers your gonna get with recent sporting  & showbiz people.
Report rogerthebutler August 23, 2016 10:22 AM BST
You'd like to think its:

Churchill
Shakespeare
Isaac Newton

It's probably:

Rita Ora
Wayne Rooney
Chris Martin
Report pantsonfire August 23, 2016 10:36 AM BST
I give some English conversation classes and we used this topic recently. The results were Churchill, Shakespeare and Beckham. Groups are from teenagers to 50ish and Russian.
Report i_agree_with_nick August 23, 2016 10:40 AM BST
Imo

Churchill
Shakespeare
Elizabeth II
Report rogerthebutler August 23, 2016 10:41 AM BST
It's the longevity of yer Shakespeares and yer Newtons versus the mass market, Internet-age global profile of yer Beckhams.

Innit?
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 11:00 AM BST
Wellington held much the same position as Churchill a century earlier.Cromwell was the only non-royal ruler of England before parliamentary democracy. Both were great generals which Churchill wasn't. As somebody wisely said earlier the answer will be different depending on when you ask it. In 2016 I accept Churchill would be far ahead of the other two but I'm not sure that would be true in 2500. I didn't say ALL Newton's theories have been shown to be wrong. I'm not a scientist but I don't think it works like that. Einstein showed things were a lot more complicated than Newton thought and his theories,although themselves questioned in certain areas,now are the foundation stone of modern physics. Darwin holds the same position in biology as Einstein in physics but of course that will probably no longer be true in 2500.
So I'll go with
Shakespeare
Darwin
Churchill ( replacing Elizabeth I )
I'd be confident Shakespeare will still be anmongst the top 3 in 400 years,but I doubt the other two would. Anybody want to bet ?       Grin
Sportspeople do not last. W G Grace was more famous in his day than Beckham or any other English sportsperson you care to mention but nobody now even thinks of him as one of the top 5 or 10 greatest English sportsmen.
Report Foinavon August 23, 2016 11:17 AM BST
1) Charles Darwin
2) Horatio Nelson
3) The Duke of Wellington
Report rogerthebutler August 23, 2016 11:18 AM BST
Yeah but, right now, as of this moment, polling everyone in the world, given the dumbed-down nature of life in the 21st Century.....
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 11:33 AM BST
1)Robin Hood
2)Sherlock Holmes
3)James Bond
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 11:38 AM BST
I was thinking along the same lines lfc,but Harry Potter is ahead of at least 2 of yours imo.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 11:38 AM BST
Tarzan in 4th place
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 11:45 AM BST
Charlie Chaplin possibly more famous than anyone else in history.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 11:48 AM BST
You can't have Tarzan. He was created by an American ffs.
Chaplin is nothing like as well known now as when I was young,which wasn't at the time Chaplin's silent films.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 11:52 AM BST
Grin
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 12:06 PM BST
people are not famous for very long now.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 12:07 PM BST
in fact there are no famous people now, at this moment in time.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 12:09 PM BST
we are waiting for someone from England to become famous again.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 12:23 PM BST
No women?

Boudica
Nancy Mitford
Emmeline Pankhurst
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 12:38 PM BST
Elizabeth I
Jane Austen
Florence Nightingale
Tbf quite a few have mentioned the current Queen.
Report FlowerMyth August 23, 2016 12:39 PM BST
King Arthur, famous all over the planet for his round tables, his swords in stones and ladies in lakes. he's also the one of the oldest in British history.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 12:49 PM BST
British is the giveaway though. Wherever he was based and whether he actually existed,one thing he wasn't was English.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 12:52 PM BST
it would be impossible for King Arthur to be anything other than English,
especially if he was fictional.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 12:56 PM BST
He was Celtic so we Welsh can claim him imo. Fictional or not,and the chances are he was vaguely based on a real person,he spent his life fighting the English as in Anglo-Saxons.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 1:03 PM BST
If you're looking for famous Anglo-saxons prior to the Norman conquest there is obviously Alfred but arguably even greater the now almost completely forgotten Aethelstan,the first king to rule over the whole of an England with roughly the present boundaries.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:06 PM BST
yes i was getting Arthur mixed up with Alfred the Great.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:08 PM BST
Alfred's dad Æthelwulf was the main man..
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:10 PM BST
we are after English heroes g2d, with names like Arthur, Alfred and Robin
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:13 PM BST
the US wouldn`t put someone on the moon unless he had an American name.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:20 PM BST
Robin is kraut..
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:23 PM BST
Hate to be pedantic, but seeing as it's you.

Arthur is probably Italian..
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:26 PM BST
you`ll be telling me the Queen`s German next.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:28 PM BST
Bavarians do not like being called German so maybe that's debatable as well..
Report akabula August 23, 2016 1:31 PM BST
Winston Churchill
Oliver Cromwell
Guy Fawkes
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:31 PM BST
and the beautiful English name Elizabeth, next you`ll be claiming that is Greek
Report FlowerMyth August 23, 2016 1:31 PM BST
I've just thought of another famous Brit known the world over - St. Patrick.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:34 PM BST
A good list Aka if ye replace Fawkes (nobheed) with Robert Caseby..
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:37 PM BST
Elizabeth is a Jewish name actually, although i've no idea where it originated.. Maybe Sparta?
Report akabula August 23, 2016 1:40 PM BST
Everybody knows of Guy Fawkes though G2D.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:41 PM BST
the mother of John the Baptist was called Elizabeth, and the mother of Jesus Mary.
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 1:43 PM BST
Was Guy Fawkes English, or Italian?
Report akabula August 23, 2016 1:43 PM BST
I wonder if their friends called them Betty lfc. Wink
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 1:49 PM BST
Catesby btw.. My Engerlish it terrible..
Report Kit-Kat-Dan August 23, 2016 1:52 PM BST
we are after English heroes g2d, with names like Arthur, Alfred and Robin

With this in mind I'll go for:
Askey
Garnett
Askwith
Report lfc1971 August 23, 2016 2:04 PM BST
Arthur Wellesley
Report akabula August 23, 2016 2:19 PM BST
Arthur Scargill
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 2:28 PM BST
Arthur Worsley
Report akabula August 23, 2016 2:32 PM BST
Arthur balfour
Report xmoneyx August 23, 2016 2:39 PM BST
Ian Brady
Myra Hindley
cilla black
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 2:58 PM BST
Fawkes was a Yorkshireman.
I presume guiness you are suggesting that Arthur was really that Roman general based in Britain who marched on Rome and briefly became Emperor. That became part of the Arthur legend by Malory's time but is almost certainly conflating two different people.Arthur was a bit later. I seem to remember being semi-convinced that Arhur was,or was based on,a Celtic warlord called something like Rhadamantus.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 3:34 PM BST
Partly; but i think the name doea actually come from the Roman name Arturius..
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 3:45 PM BST
Rome had occupied Britain for 400 years. The upper-class natives had certainly become Romanised so you are right about the name. Doesn't make him Italian though.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 3:55 PM BST
Doesn't make him Engerlish either..
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 4:18 PM BST
That's what I said. Definitely NOT English.That also applies to St Patrick who was Welsh originally.
Riothamus was the name I was looking for incidentally.
Report workrider August 23, 2016 4:52 PM BST
Salmon Spray , I was born less than 200yds from were The Duke of Wellington was born , its a little place called DUBLIN ....Have some friends coming from America this weekend and thats one of the surprises on the menu..He was born across the road from what is now our Governments Building were our Dail, or Parliment as ye would call it sits.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 6:05 PM BST
Yes I knew he was born in Ireland workrider but as a member of the aristocracy I would imagine he self-identified as English. I stand to be corrected if someone can find anything suggesting otherwise as I don't know a great deal about the bloke tbh.
Report guinness2dear August 23, 2016 6:32 PM BST
As  "Because a man is born in a stable it does not make him a horse". is attributed to the Duke; we can assume he thought of himself as Engerlish..
Report workrider August 23, 2016 9:45 PM BST
So we can safely say anyone who thinks themselves other than their Country of birth is correct , how we identify ourselves is our business , were we are BORN is a fact....
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 9:54 PM BST
de Valera was American then.
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 9:55 PM BST
And Ted Dexter was Italian.
Report casemoney August 23, 2016 10:11 PM BST
Tom Daley
Report workrider August 23, 2016 10:14 PM BST
Of course he was Salmon , spent a lot of his life here though , Bale has spent more time out of Wales than in it ..Is he still Welsh ?
Report Emden August 23, 2016 10:17 PM BST
bet you will not beat these three.
1=William SHAKESPEARE
2=Isaac Newton
3=Henry v111


the majority of people living in london wouldn't have a scooby who these people were
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 10:33 PM BST
So would Wellington be amongst your top 3 Irishmen workrider ?
Would be their most successful general.
Report workrider August 23, 2016 10:43 PM BST
No Salmon, He classed himself as English and they are welcome to him . I'd settle for St Patrick if you don't mind....Laugh
Report tictacman1 August 23, 2016 10:55 PM BST
Winston Churchill
Charles Darwin
Isambard Kingdom Brunel
Report salmon spray August 23, 2016 10:59 PM BST
I think you might just have outflanked me there workrider.
Congrats.     Happy
Report brassneck August 23, 2016 11:14 PM BST
jack the ripperShocked
Report crags August 23, 2016 11:21 PM BST
The Yorkshire Ripper + Brady & Hindley Scared Scared Scared
Report the_pessimist August 23, 2016 11:31 PM BST
Simon Cowell NAP
Report guinness2dear August 24, 2016 12:16 AM BST
No surprise the crab of de forum thinks a Glaswegian murdering coont is Engerlish..
Report akabula August 24, 2016 1:25 AM BST
Laugh
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales August 24, 2016 1:44 AM BST
St George
Aneurin Bevan
William Wallace
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