Dalian Atkinson

We Regan and Carter back!

It would have to be Starsky and Hutch for the yanks, but they was never up to Regan and Carter

So they shoot 2 terrorists in Woolwich and they walk away; then taser an ex-footyballer and kill him. Might be better taking guns off em..

Dodgepot
Think you might be suppressing some inner desire.
Fit black trim blokes who are all mean looking?

miguel - if you're genuine in it being facetious then I apologise.

Not surprised to see many of the rednecks defending the old bill , the truth will never come out RIP.

No apology necessary PorP. Cheers anyway.

Sad news. It's not as if this is the first taser related death. I think they need to get rid of them. When he was up for it he was a joy to watch. MDH I remember thinking similar things about Atkinson and Hirst.

He lived over the road from me in Ipswich way back in 1989, when I was a lad, we would shout out to him and he would wave back, flash motor but on the whole you hardly knew he was there, quite sad to hear this news.

Shame we only fleetingly saw the best of either, Hank. With Atkinson it was prrobably down to his lack of drive/focus. Hirst was just unlucky/brittle. I've no doubt he would've been a star. Better than Shearer!

Remember that Wednesday team btw. Hirst was ace but made of glass. Shame was he would have probably gone to Utd instead of Cantona if he'd stayed fit.

Hirst was the epitome of a goalscorer,scored some absolute humdingers with left right and head.
He was different class and grounded too.
Too good for manure.

Such a shame about Hirst. Crazy to think he could and did play centre-back as well.

Fastest recorded goal is a 95.9mph effort by another Wednesday player, Ritchie Humpreys. Here's Hirst connecting with one at 114.8mph against Arsenal that would still have the crossbar rattling at Highbury if it was still there! Instincts and technique almost perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tV9evOCIs&t=0m25s

You're mixing him up with Paul Warhurst, jed.

Hirst did once score against Man City then kept a clean sheet after Kevin Pressman ate too many pies at HT.

^^^
Paul Warhurst surely?

I've no doubt he would've been a star. Better than Shearer!

post of the day

Aug 15, 2016 -- 3:39PM, dustybin wrote:

Hirst was the epitome of a goalscorer,scored some absolute humdingers with left right and head.He was different class and grounded too.Too good for manure.

Thanks for that we nearly signed him instead of Eric the King

Alex Ferguson tried buying Hirst six times BB. Wednesday turned him down every time. Would've smashed the record transfer fee at the time. (Can't recall exactly but we're talking 3.5-4m when the record was maybe 2.2.)

No about twice mik  please no exaggeration

Aye anxious another one Wednesday found before you.

I've nowt against you anxious you seem a decent sort, but that manure label you carry has got an awful lot of fake in it.

Wednesday had the best of Hirst and that's how it should have been, much like Le tiss and Southampton, which is ironic in the sense Hirst was finished there.

Fake whats fake Dusty , 20 times is not fake is it ?

Might've been 2, might've been 6, anxious. Whatever the number of enquiries, a quick google suggests that the fee would've been £4million. The British transfer record at the time was £2.3M.

Old Red Nose clearly thought Hirst was a bit special.

RIP. Scored some wonderful goals in his prime.


Seems such a pointless way to end a life, you would think police would be able to handle one angry man who to my knowledge wasnt armed.

Anxious.
It's different. Every DC in the land is a man Utd fan. Man Utd has no soul as a result.
It's a brand sold on the NY stock market not a team playing just outside Manchester.

I've read a couple of Frank Skinner books and there are two points I absolutely subscribe to that he makes.

The first has little semblance here (that people should be allowed to accept little money in return of being left alone by the state)
But the other is that everyone should get a map and ruler and find their professional club.

Ofc that justifies many in the support of manure, but it cuts 90% of the free loading bandwagon jumpers who have never been tested in spirit and are as feckless and shallow as they come.

So Dusty in a perfect world everybody would support their hometown club , lots of clubs like United , Liverpool, Arsenal have fans from all over the show, United have had big crowds even when they have not been successful how do you explain that ?

Best, Law and Charlton, thats how you explain it.

they got the nation's sympathy vote after Munich

There are plenty of clubs who don't win owt but have plenty of pull.
What I'm saying about modern Utd is its all a facade.
Like suckling pigs at the tit of success.
Best thing for United would be to find themselves by roughing it with the rest, then they'd get respected.
Far too many associated with that club just buy into it, just as Keene suggested with his prawn sarnie remark.

All clubs that have long periods of success attract day trippers and tourists, I think if you look at average home attendances for last 40 years United will be top bar a couple of years, even in the seventies and eighties when they only won a few cups

I don't doubt United to be a top club, although club they ain't now they are a brand.
Like I say I feel for the genuine who are part of the locality.
Maggots everywhere that's the make up of humans.
Feckless.

That's how most of the Premier League is now , most of the clubs are owned by south east Asia or the middle East and USA.

Even championship clubs are foreign owned , and the Premier league is watched all over the world , far more than La liga  or Bundeslegia

Any way very sad about Dalian Atkinson and yes David Hirst was A good player

You are busting a gut not to say Wednesday.
You are correct, but that's opportunism.
People making money off the back of others who by definition don't deserve it then 'play' with clubs that have loyal support.

I don't mind Sheffield Wednesday they have some great players down the years and United have had some great games against youse.

Jesus I've lost the plot, I was indeed mixing him up with Warhurst.

Sheffield Wednesday are a massive club who have a fanbase drawn out of local proletariat which is a great basis to level yourself.
Sure most are thick as 5hit but loyal.
You can't buy that.

I thought the Blades were the big club though, chip butty and all that

Second fiddle.

Woman on BBC just said when they tasered him and he fell down they gathered round and gave him a kicking when he was down

When tasers were first introduced they tasered a guy who was in a diabetic coma on a bus as he wasnt responding to their demands. Which is pretty difficult when you're in a coma.

And who can forget the distressing footage of canadians tasering a guy in an airport to death, he didn't speak English and was distressed as the person who was supposed to meet him wasn't there.

I can't believe that of our wonderful police force.

They may be quaking in their boots at the thought of facing unarmed men, but they would never stoop that low.

WTF was that kicking stuff all about? The BBC had that interview all day but only decided to show that bit on the 6 o'clock news?? Fecking outrageous if true.

It has to go down as accidental death I suppose.

They did not mean to kill him, but I wonder how many times he was tasered???

r.i.p. he was not a bad footballer.

I didn't realise that waking up one's neighbours in the early hours is a capital offence.


Should be !

Should be done for manslaughter. Eyewitness claims he was tasered 4 or 5 times while on the floor and another says they kicked him while down. Lucky for us  the BBC decided to share the kicking part with as now.

*us

I should wait for the official reports from the coroner

But will the official reports divulge the truth? More likely they give us rubbish about lone wolf faulty tasers imo.

so we're not to trust coroners now?

YOMOMMA  • August 15, 2016 7:22 PM BST 
Should be done for manslaughter. Eyewitness claims he was tasered 4 or 5 times while on the floor and another says they kicked him while down. Lucky for us  the BBC decided to share the kicking part with as now.

I agree Yomomma, this could well be a case for manslaughter.

We will have to wait for report from Coroner.

Burtons trust no one.

The truth is out there -------------->

I hope it comes out Y

don't the rozzers have cameras on their helmets or whatever these days to record this sort of incident?

Woman on BBC just said when they tasered him and he fell down they gathered round and gave him a kicking when he was down .


i saw that interview just checking, that is just plain wrong, and a valid point made about police cameras.

RIP Dalian

One from Ron Atkinson's after dinner set

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20754134

Did Karren Brady, who was at Birmingham at the time, really ask you if Dalian Atkinson was your son?

Yes she did. We were having a photo shoot before Aston Villa played Manchester United in the League Cup final in 1994. We're having lunch and she's reading the programme. She is going through how good our squad is at Villa and she says: "Oh the number 10, Atkinson, your son's in the team". I hadn't got the heart to tell her.

Ron Atkinson was another racialist like some of these police. He called Marcel Desailly a 'lazy n*****' live on TV'.

I do not think Ron Atkinson was a racist myself

It was a chance remark that would have been common parlance when he was young, but death on TV of course.

It is more serious here, somebody is dead, the officers do have cameras, I do not know what happened, but I would like the truth
to come out

I am sad Dalian Atkinson is dead

“Dalian was shouting about being homeless, he wanted his dad to let him in - but his dad wouldn’t so he was kicking the door.

He is dead for that!

We need some truth here.

Sounds like he was pished up ,Upset Etc , if he was unarmed as appears why was assistance not called for ?

Didn't it say somewhere Police were swarming the place/area?

Why if it was just someone getting a bit aggressive on drink or drugs?

I think the police were called because people were concerned about his safety

That was a bit of a mistake, I would like the truth here myself, whatever it is.

I would suspect that Dalian was somewhat out of a control, and was difficult to handle.

That is no excuse for killing someone

Missed the BBC news at 6.
Was the witness to the police kicking him the same person who said he got tasered 4 or 5 times whilst on the ground?

why would you need to taser someone more than once or twice?

was he like Dirty Harry with a taser gun

I missed it as well akabula

I don't know if he still had hold of an officer, those tasers are powerful?

Eye witness account below. Either she's lying, exaggerating or is telling the truth. Her account seems pretty concise to me and disturbing. Hopefully we get the truth.

http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/dalian-atkinson-eyewitness-claims-when-he-was-down-police-kept-on-tasering-him-34966816.html

look at the photo that the grauniad and the others lead with, probably the most aggressive one they could find

Aug 15, 2016 -- 10:49PM, Hamsterdam wrote:

Eye witness account below. Either she's lying, exaggerating or is telling the truth. Her account seems pretty concise to me and disturbing. Hopefully we get the truth.http://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/dalian-atkinson-eyewitness-claims-when-he-was-down-police-kept-on-tasering-him-34966816.html

they nicely edited that video on skysports news

It says in the paper they had to taser him 3 times as the first two never worked & he
was in a wild rage.

no body cameras on PCs.

Ron-Russian  • August 16, 2016 12:28 PM BST 
It says in the paper they had to taser him 3 times as the first two never worked & he
was in a wild rage.

never worked?....what does that mean, he was still alive?....I am not surprised he was in a rage what they were doing to him

no body cameras on PCs?

Her account seems pretty concise to me ...looked like that to hamsterdam

I hope there is an enquiry into this...but I would not guarantee it

the first 50,000 volts did not stop him & he shouted it's not
working, a second taser also failed , Ernest 85 said his son then
yelled "i am the messiah"
a third round left him unconscious.

Perhaps dead? Ron

I think the police had a difficult job, a large man, a strong man, not in full control of himself.

But they should have been able to deal with this without killing him!

Call for backup if they needed to?

This is a woeful failure by the police, perhaps more?

I think this needs an enquiry myself.

I do not see why they were tasering him on the ground, once he was down his threat had been much reduced.

Can you taser someone for claiming they are the Messiah?

Atkinson's brother, Kenroy, 53, told The Sun the ex-Premier League star had undergone dialysis for kidney failure and was "not in his right mind".
He said his brother had attacked their 85-year-old father, Ernest, at his home on Monday before police were called to the scene.
"My brother had lost it. He was in a manic state and depressed - out of his mind and ranting. He had a tube in his shoulder for the dialysis and he had ripped it out and was covered in blood," he told the newspaper.He got dad by the throat and said he was going to kill him. He told dad he had already killed me, our brother Paul and sister Elaine and he had come for him. He was not in his right mind.

If I was in the situation the father was in, I would expect the police to protect MY life even at the cost of the aggressors life. I happen to know that tasers are sometimes innefective on someone who is heavily built or hyped up.

Sorry affair
Reminds me of the marvin Gaye death.

Slicer  • August 16, 2016 3:14 PM BST 
If I was in the situation the father was in, I would expect the police to protect MY life even at the cost of the aggressors life. I happen to know that tasers are sometimes innefective on someone who is heavily built or hyped up.

Fair enough, I don't see the police needed to kill him myself?
His father was in no immediate danger, as I understand it?

Or was he on the ground trying to kill his father, then I might understand, the police had to intercede.

So you do not equate threatening to kill having stated he had already killed with immediate danger!

I am lost a bit slicer, Dalian had already killed someone?

If you have a link?

No- read the whole thread regarding what he had said to his father.

I see, but I see no need to kill Dalian Atkinson?

Why was he being tasered on the ground?

Dalian needed arresting and put in a prison or a psychiatric unit that was all.

He was not armed, why kill him?

you talk as though they deliberately murdered him

The police don't KNOW FOR CERTAIN that ANYONE is unarmed until after the event!

You can't reason with someone who is mentally ill and acting crazy and yelling threats. They probably reacted in fear of their own lives. It's a tragic event for all concerned.

Do you kill someone for being mentally ill?

Once he was down, what threat was he?

At the moment we probably need more information as you say Slicer.

I am not saying he was murdered BB, but he is now dead.

The taser is intended to disable not kill, once he was down it had done it's job.


He then went down 'like a lead balloon' after being hit by the Taser, an eyewitness said.


'Then he was Tasered and he fell to the floor. I heard the taser go off again a number out times, at least four or five, when he was on he ground.

‘Afterwards the two police officers starting kicking him around his body. I heard the Taser go off again a number out times, at least four or five, when he was on the ground.

Two eye witness statements, that do not look good to me.

Hindsight criticism is easy, it must be very nervy being in such a situation too. A horrible place to be for those two coppers now,they should have just let him keep on kicking the door down.

I accept that treetop.

My concerns are, after they have disabled Dalian, why did they continue using the taser?

The police are paid to do a difficult job.

A tense situation ,all keyed up and scared stiff yourself ? I suppose that is easy,though training has to help it must still be intensive emotion. An inquiry should cover it but I am sure the activists will demand blood.

It was tense treetop I agree.

I only demand the truth, not blood myself.

But a man is dead here, questions must be asked.

I would have thought ,once Dalian was down, immediate threat over. Why not call for backup and get him back to the station?

There is the charge of threatening behaviour, but a Doctor also needs to see Dalian.

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have you ever won any awards for talking ?

A horrible place to be for those two coppers now

Unheard of Large Black man off his Head and Two coppers try to take him out ,It does not happen
this was an on going Situation ,In any other Incident of this kind be at least 5 Van loads Arrive
Are they saying there was only 2 coppers present ?

Interesting point case

There is a lot of buck passing now, one suspect no one wanted to deal with  Dalian.

He was bankrupt, his life was in free fall.

It is not good enough.

Seems Strange that 2 police officers would choose to deal with the situation on their own

I agree case...If they needed support call for it....no idea???????