As far as I am concerned...someone who does not want to kill us for a start

There are obvious problems with the difference in cultures

I would define a westernised muslim in law, a list of do's and dont's

I would be fair, to all.

case,I would venture to suggest,with some hesitation,that muslims born and raised in UK that have not been exposed to radicalism may be classed as westernised although the parents of many are determined to hang onto old fashioned values dating from their own village and national backgrounds. I met many decent lebanese and egyptian and syrian people who were far more tolerant than the nutters prevailing today. The BBC,Guardianistas and our media have made the idiotic mistake of promoting the intolerant demagogues rather than the more liberalised muslims as the face of Islam suggesting their cultural extremes represent a good thing and that has helped to indoctrinate their young people with the internet of course.Even the archbishops have done that but may soon be changing their views now they are getting pulled into thefront line that the working classes have begun to witness.

I can't disagree much foxy,the preachers were sent by Saudi to spread the word and reinforce Islam in the 90's and our stupid academics supported their right to free speech of hatred and damnation of others,daft ?

We say 'our Western way is superior. Free will is better than something starting with a sky pixie, interpreted by an idiot and imposed on a gullible mass'

We then listen to the professionally outraged scream 'Racists!' replying 'Sit the fk down, shut the fk up, you cultural relativist fkwits' before high-fiveing each other and going on a victory lap of honour.

I do like Roger's approach. Common sense, robust and bullseye. I do however disagree with the 'high five ing' which seemed to begin when the West Indies had those naughty fast bowlers.

A firm handshake will suffice.

Indeed - whilst wearing Brylcreem.....none of this wax / clay muck they go in for nowadays