Firstly the argument that a company going off shore leaves opportunity for those here is wrong.
Each company works within its sector and it's competition are other companies doing the same thing, whether they are here or abroad.
The balance of payments deficit is essentially the evidence of the crime, as more and more companies leave or are sold to foreign owners in pursuit of margins for opportunity (each worker is employed only on the profit the company derives from their toil, not employed for the benefit of the community with which they exist) then this deficit increases, sectors close down locally and employment has to find another sector to cater for them.
Those companies that can off shore (like the cheap manufacture of garments) have, except where they need premises with which to stock and sell their wares (like the selling of sports shirts on high streets for eg) and then they have no alternative to employ local workers. They do so but at the same time lobby government to instal such deregulated practice like the 'works sale of rights' or whatever the monstrosity was called where politicians tried their hardest to allow enterprise to offer payments to individuals who signed away their workers rights (thus offering more margin to profit from the worker).

People argue that those flooding the workforce from abroad come here because our benefits system is better and that they are prepared to work in worse conditions. This is true, but you have to look at the round, this country is massively in debt, if it were a company in its own right it would have be closed down.
Are companies that exist and pay a dividend to those holding capital who profit directly from other people's labour, while the company itself is in debt upto it's eyes and only is permitted to continue because it employs so many that it's calapse would be devastating to the employment figure....well is that company a success or a failure?
Same is the case with this country that borrowed to high heaven and lived off that masquerade while the profit was taken mostly by a minority who flourished, mainly those speculating in the financial sectors.
The living standards are subsidised by a debt that will never be repaid.

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One reason why Polish workers react quicker to a cracked whip.
They have a 5 year plan. Save up enough money for a deposit on a property back home in Poznan.

They would not have to thank us for employing so many millions of their citizens, certainly not.

Don't send anyone home just pass a law saying welfare is only for the British.

That should get rid of a huge swathe of ne'er do wells.

The benefit system is what is crippling the country. A British man with a family gets a decent enough living from the state.
Why would he take a job that will only make him £50 a week better off for example, for working 40 hrs?

The long term unemployed must be given 3 strikes then forced to take a job, or face loss of benefit. Foreigners recieve no benefit unless they have contributed to the system first.

Of course having so many foreigners earning wages in this country, then sending the money home doesn't help local communities here either.

walofs, comparing pensioners and their cost to people who have not contributed to the system for a lifetime, its not pensioners fault they have worked towards retirement.

your mindset is bizarre.

i think it is right that people are docked fifteen minutes pay for being 2 minutes late. 1 minute would be also acceptable, it was 2 mins the norm in many factories for many years.
that is not a problem.

although it was also possible to get your mate to clock you in if you were a little late.

first joiurneyman i ever had was never on time, but a terrific worker and very smart guy.

never had to worry about small trivialities like a minute or two here and there.

the money used to mount up to a tidy sum, but we put the hours in...plus a little bit extra.

although it was also possible to get your mate to clock you in if you were a little late.

I wouldn't know about working in a factory & clocking on.  We had to sign in.  At 8 o'clock a red line would drawn under the list of names.

Anybody under the red line would be docked.

I was pointing out, that this procedure went on until the 1970's maybe later.  It was not something that only happened in Victorian times.

The disparity is that labour is scrutinised while extraction of capital is not.

If you can determine value of a worker's input then you have to measure the merit of capital extraction since the market isnt truly lessez-faire since its continually manipulated by opportunistic greedy individuals taking out a multiplier greater than their input.

Within a finite economy somebody has to pay that discrepancy and because ambition is used at a carrot and that altruism loses to greed within the human constitution then its those that do the work that are vilified.

ah clocking the good old days, we never worried though as we had the keys to the clock