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17 Jul 16
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once it is pummeled in syria, it will disintegrate quickly in iraq and while the threat of islamic terrorism will never go away forever, it will have suffered a severe set back.
so the question guys is simple...................WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DESTROYED IN SYRIA..............i am amazed that we have all these western super powers telling us morning, noon and night about how terrible isis is but there they are sitting in syria plotting attack after attack in europe and else where...........the carnage is shocking. whats next?............they takeover a cruise ship and dissolve 500 people in barrels of acid and stream it live on social media?..........here are the facts about ISIS
while the removal of saddam was a factor, the main factor in their creation is the syrian civil war
turkey and saudi arabia gave anti assad forces weapons........some of the opposition to assad created ISIS and there we go, it was created
assad was on the ropes and maybe if he was wiped out the more modest rebels would have formed a syrian government......maybe, but im not so sure
fact is, he survived and here is the key.............PUTIN stepped in and that was the end of that...........any notion that assad would be defeated is now over so...............
the west, who wanted assad gone due to their alliance with turkey and saudi need a reality check............THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A NEW SYRIAN GOVERNMENT, so they should simply support assad in wiping out ISIS AND STOP SUPPORTING THE OTHER SO CALLED REBELS
there the facts guys
so the question guys is simple...................WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DESTROYED IN SYRIA..............i am amazed that we have all these western super powers telling us morning, noon and night about how terrible isis is but there they are sitting in syria plotting attack after attack in europe and else where...........the carnage is shocking. whats next?............they takeover a cruise ship and dissolve 500 people in barrels of acid and stream it live on social media?..........here are the facts about ISIS
while the removal of saddam was a factor, the main factor in their creation is the syrian civil war
turkey and saudi arabia gave anti assad forces weapons........some of the opposition to assad created ISIS and there we go, it was created
assad was on the ropes and maybe if he was wiped out the more modest rebels would have formed a syrian government......maybe, but im not so sure
fact is, he survived and here is the key.............PUTIN stepped in and that was the end of that...........any notion that assad would be defeated is now over so...............
the west, who wanted assad gone due to their alliance with turkey and saudi need a reality check............THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A NEW SYRIAN GOVERNMENT, so they should simply support assad in wiping out ISIS AND STOP SUPPORTING THE OTHER SO CALLED REBELS
there the facts guys
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ISIS began in Iraq , not Syria.
It was founded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Obviously this would not have been possible but for the cluelessness of Bush/Blair in overthrowing Saddam and expecting some Arab version of the Lib Dems to emerge in his place.
The Syrian Kurds are most likely to defeat IS in Syria , though Erdogan will not be happy with that.
Their power is mainly in Iraq though . They survived there for a decade before the Syrian Civil War allowed them to get in there.
It was founded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Obviously this would not have been possible but for the cluelessness of Bush/Blair in overthrowing Saddam and expecting some Arab version of the Lib Dems to emerge in his place.
The Syrian Kurds are most likely to defeat IS in Syria , though Erdogan will not be happy with that.
Their power is mainly in Iraq though . They survived there for a decade before the Syrian Civil War allowed them to get in there.
Defeating ISIS is not what many countries want , who else they going to sell their weapons too at this moment in time
List of nations by ISIL fighter origin (500 or more)
Country Population
Tunisia
5,000
Saudi Arabia
2,500
Russia
2,400
France
2,000
Morocco
1,500
Jordan
2,000
Turkey
1,400
Lebanon
900
Germany
700
Libya
600
United Kingdom
600
Indonesia
500
Uzbekistan
500
Pakistan
500
Country Population
Tunisia
5,000
Saudi Arabia
2,500
Russia
2,400
France
2,000
Morocco
1,500
Jordan
2,000
Turkey
1,400
Lebanon
900
Germany
700
Libya
600
United Kingdom
600
Indonesia
500
Uzbekistan
500
Pakistan
500
Inside Syria and Iraq
200,000[26] (Kurdish claim)
100,000[27] (Jihadist claim)
20,000–31,000[28] (CIA estimate in 2014)
19,000–25,000[29][30] (CIA estimate in 2016)
Outside Syria and Iraq
32,600–57,900 (See Military of ISIL for more detailed estimates.)
Estimated total
51,600–257,900
200,000[26] (Kurdish claim)
100,000[27] (Jihadist claim)
20,000–31,000[28] (CIA estimate in 2014)
19,000–25,000[29][30] (CIA estimate in 2016)
Outside Syria and Iraq
32,600–57,900 (See Military of ISIL for more detailed estimates.)
Estimated total
51,600–257,900
Iraq has taught us that we should never try to help people, they are never grateful. nobody likes to be thankful.
The chaser is partly correct in his brief summary.
Isil / Isis / is are just the latest American bogeyman that don't really exist following on from al-Qaeda / al - Qaida.
The easiest way to control the masses is to keep them scared....Strauss.
First we had the indigenous native Americans ( known as Indians to most ). Followed by the negroes ( or blacks, whatever the pc wording theses days is ) then communism, then aliens ( Roswell etc ) then back to communism, then terrorism, al Qaeda, al Shabbab, Isis. All of which were never really a threat in the first place. In a few years time, Isis will be replaced by something else.
At the end of the day, it is still all about control of the middle east, especially the oil and gas.
Isil / Isis / is are just the latest American bogeyman that don't really exist following on from al-Qaeda / al - Qaida.
The easiest way to control the masses is to keep them scared....Strauss.
First we had the indigenous native Americans ( known as Indians to most ). Followed by the negroes ( or blacks, whatever the pc wording theses days is ) then communism, then aliens ( Roswell etc ) then back to communism, then terrorism, al Qaeda, al Shabbab, Isis. All of which were never really a threat in the first place. In a few years time, Isis will be replaced by something else.
At the end of the day, it is still all about control of the middle east, especially the oil and gas.
and nazi Germany and Military dictatorship Japan, such a disaster
it's boring and going to go on for decades. they are systematically taking all the oil and gas in the middle east.
Do you know that for the native Americans, before Europeans ever arrived life was one of cruelty and savagery with tribe killing tribe in an almost continual and brutal struggle
In South America the culture included human sacrifice to appease the gods, so vast that the tears of the children ran down the beautiful mountainsides like rain.
lfc1971
Iraq has taught us that we should never try to help people, they are never grateful. nobody likes to be thankful.[/i]
We did not try to HELP Iraq we invaded it and tried to kill them.
The only country we wanted to help were ISRAEL so we decided to get rid of all powerful Arab leaders. Saddam, Gadhafi and the attempted
removal of Assad.
We should never gave created Israel it was a crime.
Iraq has taught us that we should never try to help people, they are never grateful. nobody likes to be thankful.[/i]
We did not try to HELP Iraq we invaded it and tried to kill them.
The only country we wanted to help were ISRAEL so we decided to get rid of all powerful Arab leaders. Saddam, Gadhafi and the attempted
removal of Assad.
We should never gave created Israel it was a crime.
Countries choose their own way of life, it is not for us to intervene lfc1971.
Not everybody is the same or wants to be
Not everybody is the same or wants to be
Anyway there are nearly 7 million Muslims in France about 2 3/4 million in the UK.
It is in our own interest to get rid of ISIS before they turn all our own Muslims against us.
The OP was correct
Only my own opinion.
It is in our own interest to get rid of ISIS before they turn all our own Muslims against us.
The OP was correct
Only my own opinion.
If they wanted to get rid of isis they would have done it by now. A medieval death cult springs up in the 21st century and all the modern weaponry of the US and the West is yet to stop a relatively small amount of isis fighters in syria.
We cannot un create Israel now. What we must do is to leave Israel on their own to look after themselves.
They are big enough now.
We must in future be totally neutral between Israel and the Arabs, no more interference in the Middle East
Unless it is clear up the mess we have made, this includes ISIS.
We buy our oil and leave them alone, what we should always have done.
They are big enough now.
We must in future be totally neutral between Israel and the Arabs, no more interference in the Middle East
Unless it is clear up the mess we have made, this includes ISIS.
We buy our oil and leave them alone, what we should always have done.
I agree Yomomma, where are they getting their support? Saudi are one source, but I think their are others
It's hard to know what to believe. There's conspiracy websites on the web that say USA were involved in creating ISIS. One thing's for sure we aren't fed the total truth in the media.
we always arm rebels and then wonder why they attack us in return.
we never learn.
we never learn.
To kill a snake - you have to cut off it's head.
This snake (ISIS) has to many heads...
This snake (ISIS) has to many heads...
I see the jobcentres are advertising army jobs as new recruits needed.
Surely all parents have told their kids that they should never join to fight oil wars for corrupt governments.
Surely all parents have told their kids that they should never join to fight oil wars for corrupt governments.
Income
You’ll earn £14,784 while you train.
The starting salary for a trained soldier is £18,305 a year.
Once you’re trained your salary will increase every year, depending on your job and rank. Within five years you could reach the rank of corporal with a starting salary of £29,474.
A 'golden hello' payment of between £1,250 and £2,500 is available to recruits who have qualifications and skills the army needs. Soldiers in some roles will be paid a further £4,500 after specialist training.
You'll receive benefits like free health and dental care and a pension scheme that the army pay for you. You’ll also get help towards the cost of your food and housing.
Deliver a knock out blow as a tank crewman. Reply to @armyjobs Darparu’r curiad terfynol fel aelod criw’r tanc. Ymatebwch i @armyjobs
Be in the thick of the action as an Infantry Soldier. Reply to @armyjobs
Look how they advertise them , get in the thick of it , deliver a knock out blow
You’ll earn £14,784 while you train.
The starting salary for a trained soldier is £18,305 a year.
Once you’re trained your salary will increase every year, depending on your job and rank. Within five years you could reach the rank of corporal with a starting salary of £29,474.
A 'golden hello' payment of between £1,250 and £2,500 is available to recruits who have qualifications and skills the army needs. Soldiers in some roles will be paid a further £4,500 after specialist training.
You'll receive benefits like free health and dental care and a pension scheme that the army pay for you. You’ll also get help towards the cost of your food and housing.
Deliver a knock out blow as a tank crewman. Reply to @armyjobs Darparu’r curiad terfynol fel aelod criw’r tanc. Ymatebwch i @armyjobs
Be in the thick of the action as an Infantry Soldier. Reply to @armyjobs
Look how they advertise them , get in the thick of it , deliver a knock out blow
They are slowly but surely wiping out ISIS in Syria hence they are always calling for sympathisers in the West to commit atrocities in their name. The threat will alleviate eventually.
Lots will join up Chaser without looking beyond the wages.
Hamsterdam • July 17, 2016 10:13 PM BST
They are slowly but surely wiping out ISIS in Syria hence they are always calling for sympathisers in the West to commit atrocities in their name. The threat will alleviate eventually.
I think they are ,but it is still slow?
mobo...well hopefully not in this country at the moment, but it is in France
We cannot destroy ISIS here, it has to be done in the Middle East?
If you talking about Islam forget it, you aint moving those guys.
They are slowly but surely wiping out ISIS in Syria hence they are always calling for sympathisers in the West to commit atrocities in their name. The threat will alleviate eventually.
I think they are ,but it is still slow?
mobo...well hopefully not in this country at the moment, but it is in France
We cannot destroy ISIS here, it has to be done in the Middle East?
If you talking about Islam forget it, you aint moving those guys.
Lots will join up Chaser without looking beyond the wages.
Lots will join up because they are brave and that's what they want to do. I doubt there are many people who entered at the lowest level who end up staying in the army for the money.
Lots will join up because they are brave and that's what they want to do. I doubt there are many people who entered at the lowest level who end up staying in the army for the money.
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Lots will join up Chaser without looking beyond the wages.
Lots will join up because they are brave and that's what they want to do. I doubt there are many people who entered at the lowest level who end up staying in the army for the money.
Same could be said for the people that join ISIS i suppose , ISIS members are in it for their believes and the army here are in it for their believes.
Lots will join up Chaser without looking beyond the wages.
Lots will join up because they are brave and that's what they want to do. I doubt there are many people who entered at the lowest level who end up staying in the army for the money.
Same could be said for the people that join ISIS i suppose , ISIS members are in it for their believes and the army here are in it for their believes.
Saudi and Kuwait are unofficial the 51st state of America,they both supply isis,so why don't the yanks tell them to stop?
us kill civilians.....if this was assad, the west would be all over it, calling him a butcher
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