Songs are *hit

Ive long been of the belief that sound and rhythm being intrinsic to humans, from dancing around the fire to the grandiose phenomena of classical music
Hearing another experience of things in song is nothing but tedious.

as long as its breakbeat etc #
singing....nah

I find it hard to understand the words which are often badly articulated and drowned by noise so most pop music passes me by too. I like music that generates emotional feelings by virtue of the sounds themselves and most pop doesn't have that appeal.

Poetry gives me a lot of pleasure facts. It doesn't need to be chanted in a raucous voice nor drowned by drumbeat to make it palatable.

nah dont facts

Because I have affirmation of my belief.
The fact people like the 'sound' of a voice isnt the same as to the 'sentiment' that they are saying.

My point is that the song is nothing but a contrived manipulation to garner profit.
There have been billions of souls died a death on this planet all having there own feelings.
Yet there are people attempting to sell versions of their own like no other had ever been there.
Im not sure what it says of people to be so deceived.

Here richly, with ridiculous display,
The Politician's corpse was laid away.
While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged
I wept: for I had longed to see him hanged.

Hilaire Belloc

Its too pretentious Fion

I have the divine comedy here but I wont read it in poem form because it will take far too long

The point here is if you want something clever then read philosophy.
Songs are just shanties made for the feckless.

But surely thats merely affiliation of being.
What you feel when you first heard something being recreated on rehearing it.
Thats nothing to redeem sentiment over noise, just that the sound of the sentimental noise being obviously more recognisable.

The structure and manipulation of verse.
The perceived sum greater than the part.

Its the art of sounding more eloquent than the actual.
Most songs dont even attempt this anyway.

My point was that nothing is new, all has been done and is tedious.
You want a song about an emotion trace it up on a word search it has been done a million times

In short its all hum drum rhyming sentiment for sake of sale rather than depth of thought
Thats why its cheap and forgettable

Well yes, it's commercialism, bread and circuses, call it what you like but if people enjoy it and want to pay for it in preference to other things then all well and good as far as I'm concerned. No-one is compelled to listen if they don't want to.

Well that as it maybe.
The fact something is commercial doesnt do it justice.
Im saying for all the singing over millennia what came of it?
Like I said its the cheap mans philosophy. Not too many great thinkers defer to songs ffs

Is philosophy any different?
Most of the main ideas were expounded by the ancient Greeks a couple of millennia ago. Doesn't prevent modern day plagiarism and embellishment. Applies to religion too.
Pop songs are blatant and barefaced exploitation of a theme but people suck it up.

We're more or less in agreement there.

Do you like porridge?

Value is different things to different people. In monetary terms a boxing match is worth more than a course of life-saving medication. Art, like a gold bar is a recognised store of value by social convention rather than actual worth. The value of the image of the Rokeby Venus is the price of a cheap reproduction but the conventionally agreed store of value of the original painting is enormous. Monetary value is what someone is prepared to pay.

"Now the first of December was covered with snow
and so was the turnpike from Stockbridge to Boston.
Though the Berkshires seemed dreamlike on account of that frosting,
with ten miles behind me and ten thousand more to go".

I've nothing against music Facts.
I'm talking about songs written about a person's experience that have been done to death.

When somebody sings a recreation of somebody else's experience, to me that superficial.

You see groups of people at sporting events singing nothing at all.
They'll chant that song 'free from desire'
'Na na na na na na na na na na'
Or
'There's no limit' in the form of absolute nonsense.

So the instinct to sing isn't driven by recreating a singular experience.

How about if you hear a tune on the radio, a woman singing of a love for a man.
It's happened to me in the past where the tune is in my head and I mumble the words in some sort of hypnotised response only to get to the part of the woman referring to the man and I stop and think 'wtf?'
Do people change the sex of the parties involved to suit the orientation of the person recreating it?

That to me shows that people just hear the collection of sounds and not the message within.

Besides, it's not as if the messages held within solve anything. Can't we just file each category under 'solved' by now since every experience has been recorded.