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Nigel Farage Speaking at the EU Parliamjent
Nigel Farage Speaking at the EU Parliamjent
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Thats not fair Kit Kat. That doesn't count, they were all racially abused all their lives and knew no better, and thats the way they treat woman...
 ....and i'm sure the tram incident was far far worse  |
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By the way, if Nige ever wanted to see me I'm happy to say the same and more to his face. Civilly of course.
Someone will have to explain to him where "The North" is of course, first. |
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PorcupineorPineapple 28 Jun 16 13:59
Childish f*cking moron. And that tells us all we need to know about you and your opinions. |
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Jesus, that really the best you could do?
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That's plenty good enough for the likes of you.
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PorcupineorPineapple there has been a lot of these racist incidents in the past that have happened on buses, trains, underground etc. what makes you think that this tram video is in any way connected to the referendum result as the youths mention nothing about it?
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Of course there's always been racism, just as there's always been rape (as someone incredibly tried to link the 2 above).
If you're trying to deny though that there's been a sizeable increase in racist incidents (from the massively overt like the NF poster and the Manchester tram and the much more subtle) then you're hugely mistaken. It seems the denial that started with Jo Cox's murder is still alive and well. |
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Of course there's always been racism, just as there's always been rape (as someone incredibly tried to link the 2 above).
I assume that's directed at me. Do you not consider the grooming cases not racist? Exclusively Asian groomers targeting exclusively white victims, smacks of racism to me. |
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"there's always been racism"
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You say there's been a 'sizeable increase in racist incidents', could you back this up with some hard evidence please.
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Well, I could give you hard evidence from people I know. With my work and the fact my wife is not British I have a lot of friends, acquaintances, friends of friends etc who are not British. The reports from them of what they're personally witnessing in the last few days is truly frightening. Seriously. From people they would normally have considered friends as well as random strangers. A neighbour of ours told my wife she should be packing her bags. Now she might have been joking, but if so it must have been very dry as my wife certainly didn't think she was joking.
For balance, a friend of mine living abroad's daughter just finished school and was told by a couple of teachers that she should now be going back home rather than go to senior school there. |
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No right minded person would find any of that acceptable and it should be squashed immediately.
I do feel however that whilst all the blame is being laid at the Leave campaigners door, the tendency of remainers in using racist as an all encompassing phrase, has itself ignited the situation and made thing worse. |
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I did rather enjoy Farage's speech. Particularly when someone who's only job was to work in a bookshop, told him off for suggesting that none of the people in the parliament had ever had proper jobs.
I share his contempt for the organisations behind the EU, but not the ideals of the project. However, Farage has a much greater responsibility right now, than this tub-thumping silliness in brussels. He has, whether he likes it or not, co-opted and encouraged racists and racists sentiments, in order to achieve his aim of getting us out of the EU. I don't think he's the pariah the left make him out to be, I think his agenda has always been clear, but I do think he's encouraged or at best condoned, the sentiments of some pretty hateful elements of society. The speech he really needs to make is to tell them to shut the f*ck up, and that the result of the referendum gives their bigotry no more legitimacy than it had before. |
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and anyone pretending that certain people haven't used the result to legitimise and embolden their bigotry is living is lalaland.
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The hate in this debate has always been on the Left.
UAF and Hope Not Hate threaten and intimidate opponents. Lauren Southern was filming in London and got attacked by some masked thugs from one of those organisations. |
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i thought this was about tory,labour,buisnessmen,actor,pop luvies calling brexit voters racists ,and those flying st georges flags to support england racists
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The Left, without a trace of irony, haven't hesitated to describe the older 'Leave' voters as 'racist' (there's a surprise).
Not a trace of 'ageism' about that naturally ! Perish the thought ! |
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you're right of course, labeling all leave voters as small minded racists and xenophobes is a form of discriminatory stereotyping. but that's a strawman i'm afraid.
You cannot deny that amongst those who voted to leave, there are some nasty racists and xenophobes, who as a result of the outcome, now feel that their views have been approved. |
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emily thornberry a remainer was labled racist last year the labour party have been labled anti semtic,think you,ll find just as many closet racists on the remain side if you look hard enough
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i don't understand what that has to do with the point i'm making.
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Nigel Farage @NigeI_Farage
can anyone help ? stuck in lift in strabsbeg parlyment #shatit  |
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Without professing to know the details (perhaps someone here does), is it even remotely true that in the absence of a trade deal, "the consequences for [the EU] would be far worse than for [the UK]"? Because if not, it's a very stupid thing for Farage to say.
Surely if the EU wants to make life hard for us, they can. |
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Our trade deficit with the EU is billions per month.
The EU would like to a have a parting shot at us but European business wants nothing to change. We're a valued customer. |
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Hope Not Hate threaten and intimidate opponents.
Wildman - this organisation is a beneficiary of the Jo Cox memorial fund... |
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yep. Farage was addressing those statement primarily to the 30,000 lobbyists rather than the 751 MEPs.
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Injera.
Not surprised at that,Brendan Cox acted strangely in this tragic affair,I'd imagine he's a member. |
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The liberal left have a mantra of 'talking to the enemy'
So does this only apply to Muslim mad men? Angry aggressive white UK people should not simply be accused of racism. If the liberal left want to educate/understand these types they need to address nativism which is never the word of choice. Much of it isn't racism, much of it is aggressive nativism. |
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Shab, as per the posts that came before:
At best, UKIP condoned the fears and prejudices of these people, at worst it fueled and approved them. I appreciate that farage was keen to court all sectors of the leave vote, because he wants to leave, that's what he's been campaigning for for 17 years, but to a degree, he let a genie out of a bottle, and has a responsibility to put it back in. i'd say it's a bit more important than getting pissed or crowing in Brussels. I'm still waiting. |
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For many years now, to question immigration was to be accused of racism.
racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. I would argue that to question the influx of other cultures, most notably those who purport to be Muslims is justified and not to do so is careless bordering on suicide. In my defence I would cite the following: FGM Honour killings Segregation General Misogyny (women dressed in black, men in white etc) Terrorism Abortion of girls Halal Intolerance of 'unbelievers' Polygamy. |
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Good post Injera
I have received of abuse from Remainers who i know to be good people. Apparently racism is everywhere and OAP's have brought in on themselves for abuse. These are also the people who muttered not a jot about Rotherham. |
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xmoneyx 28 Jun 16 12:13 Joined: 12 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 37,528 | Blogger: xmoneyx's blog
said--none of them ever had a proper job then asks for fair tariffs IDIOT xmoneyx - stop misquoting the man - your as bad as the tabloid press he said 'most' of you have never had a proper job this forum is based on accurate un biased reporting -stndards Timothy!  |
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I had to go and cut the lawn so missed Nige but I did record him and saw the earlier speakers. The first few speakers were OKish to great (they knew the enormity of what had happened) - the Dutch woman (European Council of Ministers rep?) was inspirational - a couple of dozen like her in positions of power and I would embrace the EU. Then it started to unravel - the 'no more Mister Nice Guy' German, the raving Italian Socialist, and so forth (the bearded, bespectacled Dutch guy?). Nige I thought was fine - the BBC tried to say he was triumphalist - he wasn't. He was one of the sanest there. Loved watching those trying not to smile at his speech. And isn't Marine wonderful? I would. Winter is coming indeed.
I will at a later date dispassionately analyse mass migration and it's inevitable consequences. You just have to ask. Good night, from the Voice Of Reason. |
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These protected Muhammadan ***** in Rotherham and the terrorist plonkers are from countries like Syria, Pakistan and Ethiopia. We'll get more of them because of BREXIT. Europeans out, muslim nutters in.
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brexit couldnt even understand a simple thing like the clydebank....they are gonna be lead like sheep by the wannabe adolf.
got feeling we are turning into 1930s germany........... |
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And just to make one thing clear: Nigel Farage did not let the genie out of the bottle, that was the work of Tony Blair and Jack Straw when they flooded the country with cheap foreign labour for their own political ends.
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I agree that Blair is indeed in part responsible for fueling anti-immigration sentiment through allowing unrestricted access to the eastern bloc of countries that joined the EU in 2004 (we were only one of 3 countries that did this) and doing nothing to address the transformation large migrants populations had on many communities, particularly in the agricultural towns of east england.
But, you do need to be careful in distinguishing between being anti-immigration and anti-immigrant (and for clarity let's just leave this with EU immigration). They are very different things. so to make my point again: farage has courted racists, people who don't like immigrants. This was the mistake of that awful poster. It was presented in such a way that it made the people the problem, not the policies and politics that enabled their movement. He has at best condoned them, at worst encouraged them, so he can achieve his political ambition of leaving the EU. His first responsibility on winning should have been to disown these people or at least condemn their sentiments. He probably feels he doesn't need to make these points, but he does, and he loses nothing by doing so. |
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If you were embarrassed by Farage yesterday, you can forward your thoughts to your MEPs via this excellent link:
https://www.writetothem.com/write It takes just two minutes. |
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i would say that if anyone was embarrassed by what Farage did yesterday then they haven't been playing very close attention over the past 17 years.
there is also a ridiculous over-estimation of the importance of anything that's said in that chamber. |