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Three ducks, a moorhen and two baby geese have been shot dead at a village pond.

Hampshire Constabulary branded the air rifle attacks in Hartley Wintney "disgusting".

Another duck was shot in the head with an air rifle but was taken by a villager to a vet, and is expected to make a full recovery.

The shootings happened between Monday evening and Tuesday afternoon, police said.

PC Geoff Hill said: "The duck pond is at the heart of the village and has provided amusement for generations of families.

"It is disgusting that someone should curtail this by killing innocent and defenceless wildlife."





What scum would do this ?

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By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 28 May 16 18:24
Somebody with a gun Confused
By:
Facts
When: 28 May 16 18:26
Air rifle to be precise. Do read.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 18:52
Much kinder than the Halal slaughter method though don't you think?
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 18:54
No Ron.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 18:58
really?

i know which way id rather go if i was a bird Silly
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 19:08
Yes Ron, but you are not, are you?

An air rifle is not an appropriate weapon for killing adult ducks.

Halal slaughter is synonymous with the usual methods of slaughter of large animals, as long as the animal is stunned first, which for the most part (according to the RSPCA and other sources) it is. I know you don't like the silly hat, the curved knife and the prayers, but that is all irrelevant to the animal once stunned.
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 19:10
Ron - forgot to add, your Supermarket Sunday bird is almost invariably gassed to death anyway.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 19:16
point taken.

yeah the air rifle not a kind weapon
By:
trilby22
When: 28 May 16 19:20
My air rifle takes things out.
By:
trilby22
When: 28 May 16 19:21
^ not always for a pint Cool
By:
trilby22
When: 28 May 16 19:23
http://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/finance/service-fees-and-charges/firearms/
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 19:24
originally all i was getting at was, it's surprising facts feels so strongly
against a few ducks being shot in a village - but never speaks out against barbaric Halal
slaughter
By:
trilby22
When: 28 May 16 19:24
I shoot to eat!
By:
trilby22
When: 28 May 16 19:27
Grey squirrels and rabbits are my speciality.

Cannae whaic a combination burger with fresh herbs.

YEAH!
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 19:57
trilby - me too, but even with a .22, anything but close range is not good.

ron - you just don't get it do you?  You always mention Halal and never mention Shechita. You always say its barbaric without drawing the obvious distinction between stunned and non-stunned. You admit "point taken" then off you go again......
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 19:59
Ron I think you are muddling me up with Facts - on this thread it is me that "feels strongly", not himWink
By:
akabula
When: 28 May 16 20:04
All animals stunned first. If you believe that .................. Sad
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 20:06
are you saying it's the law here to be stunned first?

yes, i think the Jewish way is as barbaric for me.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 20:07
blackbarn that was too
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 20:25
It's bout time these religions dropped this barbaric cr@p about it was said in this book etc.

Genesis 9:4King James Version (KJV)

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.


absolute load of codswallop, do the kindest most humane way possible for the animal.

bollox to all the so called fairy tale religion.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 20:44
Best put facts thread about the village ducks back on track.


Yes not nice facts, bound to be some low life
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 20:48
Ron - as I have posted before, and your regular post several times, I am not in favour of slaughter WITHOUT pre-stunning. and no, pre-stunning is not a legal requirement.

To answer Akabula's question, no one thinks that "all" animals are stunned before "sticking" (throat slit) nor is this ever claimed by anyone. But, all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case. There are multiple sources for this, although most of the evidence relates to ceremonial/religious killing.  No one ever seems to measure "normal" slaughterhouses, although of course pre stunning is the norm there.
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 20:52
Ron - "Best put facts thread about the village ducks back on track".

Good idea, but aren't you the one that thought that shooting the ducks with an inappropriate airgun was preferable to having them killed via a process that has as its main tenet, the avoidance of animal suffering.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 20:52
is there a link you could post regarding the

all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case.

Comment? i take it you mean the vast majority of big animals are stunned first?
By:
breadnbutter
When: 28 May 16 20:54
RIP Three ducks, a moorhen and two baby geese .

Is there a fund up yet ?
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 20:56
http://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter.

The first page of this site will help.  There are loads of others available with a bit of googling.
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 20:59
This is from 2014 but it is a good summary imo

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/what-is-halal-meat-the-big-questions-about-religious-slaughter-answered-9331519.html
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 21:06
Thanks - viewed the first one & you'd really like/hope that to be true.

It seems to sit on the fence a bit though,

Current law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter


However, exemptions are allowed that permit non-stun slaughter for religious purposes, i.e. Muslim and Jewish communities. Crazy

We acknowledge that religious beliefs and practices should be respected. However, all animals should be treated humanely at the time of killing and therefore be stunned prior to slaughter.Confused
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 21:13
Ron - not sure the RSPCA (AND I am no particular fan of this organisation for unrelated reasons) are sitting on the fence. They are campaigning for 100% pre-stunning.
By:
Just Checking
When: 28 May 16 21:16
The bl**dy Indy, the grauniads sad twin, when is that rag just going to up and die properly Angry
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 May 16 21:19
Just Checking, best just to rely on that other left wing organisation, the RSPCA then.  If you are interested in the subject, there are loads of other sources that you might feel able to trustWink.
By:
Ron-Russian
When: 28 May 16 21:20
That's good to hear
By:
Just Checking
When: 28 May 16 21:32
The RSPCA modelled their uniforms on the uniforms of the STAASI, that's well known, and place East German bugging devices in their dog and cat chips. Bl**dy commies the lot of them.
By:
ebulGery
When: 28 May 16 22:55
I do not care what religion these scum had

I find them disgusting killing innocent birds

I would like to take their air rifle, stick it where the sun don't shine, and pull the triggerShocked
By:
ebulGery
When: 28 May 16 22:59
I support the RSPCA, but I question their judgement at times????

They are at their best trying to protect the nations pets from some of their owners...that is enough.

That is the RSPCA people love and know...I do support them in this.
By:
ebulGery
When: 28 May 16 23:00
Things like racing, hunting...this should not be their bag
By:
alun2005
When: 28 May 16 23:01
Poor IAN Mohammed has gone awfully quiet since he was asked the awkward question as to whether the shooting of these birds bore comparison with the revolting practice of Halal slaughter.

Then again I would expect nothing less from IAN than his complete silence on Halal slaughter, given that it's the tradition of the Peace-Loving Community he pretends to love. 

Of course he has an undisclosed number (believed to be ZERO) of Peace-Loving "Refugees" from Syria staying at his gaffe in the lovely quiet village in which he is domiciled. Allah help him if he isn't serving them free food and drink to the standards THEY expect.
By:
ebulGery
When: 28 May 16 23:02
HALAL slaughter should abide by our laws...which does mean pre stunning.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 28 May 16 23:23
and not with an airgun
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