London accent

not sure what you is saying bruv.

It's about da educashun innit.

Decades of cultural enrichment has certainly made its impact on the English.... not just London

"Knaife-crime."

Agree. Any asrehole who says "Aks" instead of "Ask" should be sent to a workcamp for the first offence, second offence just ****ing hang the ****ers.

'it seems that a whole generation of Londoners have come out of school talking with a West-Indian inflection.' Yes UB, when it first started it was white guys trying to talk like Jamaicans, we used to call it Jafakin. but it found it's way into schools and the old accent seems lost. I'm sure this happens in all living languages when there is an influx of other accents with different Stresses and pitch.

I know the Dublin accent that I grew up with is all but buried, save a few old guys.I think I noticed it more because I had not heard it for so many years whereas gradual change is less noticable.

Kcuffing dratsabs. eh.

Some say that Shakespeare spoke with the drawl of a Mississippi-river-boat card sharp.
I find the ethnic tinge to the London accent curdling but I'm sure my view is partial.

Which Dublin accent, the pleasant lilting South Side, or the "I'm going to stab you" North side ?

Both but more so on the South. North Dublin never sleeps, they like awake working out more ways to steal things the following day.

I am often found rocking in my hammock to the Curtly Ambrose frictionless tones of Curtly Ambrose.

So the sooner this vernacular transformation is complete, the merrier we will all be.

Also, it is a jarring

Are you Italian?

Right you are, boxo

Are you Italian?
London/German, Bazza.
To complete my sentence: And it is a jarring collision of consonants making the listener think he's been stuck on the motorway for an hour.

I blame Abs from Five

Of course the London accent has changed,there's few Londoners left.

London is not a British city anymore,it was given away with ne'er a shot being fired.

Look who its Lord Mayor is.

I feel bad saying it, but I automatically deduct 15 points IQ when I hear the "new" (west-indian inflected) London accent.

Interesting thread - yes dare say the accent will be gone/dead.

replaced with a slur on the English language

No accent on earth is worse than the old style cockney accent of the 50s/60s/70s  you now hear in parts of Essex and Kent . It's now crept into Suffolk gor blimey guv . 

It's f ****g  horrific .

It doesn't take much effort to speak properly ffs.

Yes because of all of these northern and west country dialects sounds very eloquent and intelligent don't they...

Cockney just sounds lazy and uneducated. At least West country has certain good points .

I was brought up in South Essex , but i made sure i didn't acquire THAT stereotypical accent  - it's the worst i've ever heard

and why cant they sound their th's ?   

**** ER KNEES SOUND LIKE PRATS BUT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT LONDON ACCENTS TILL YOU'VE SPENT A GOD FEW MONTHS TALKING AND LAUGHING AT THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF THE BRISTOLIAN ACCENT

Coach I have a c0ckney accent but I do speak 'properly' in my job, however; the accent does have its advantages too.

I went to Vegas with 3 mates all from the East End and when with them we really do play on the slang; it's how we were raised. In Vegas it is a rule at the poker tables that you must speak English at all times. Anyway, one guy spoke Spanish for a few lines before the dealer pulled him up and reminded him of the English rule. The guy then referred to us four because he couldn't understand a word we were saying. The dealer overruled him and said "they are all English" - you had to be there to appreciate the humour in the situation.

I was raised in the East End and you can't help but pick up the slang and accent, just as the kids of today are doing. I once heard it was termed 'urban' but like most on here I deal with it but I don't like it.

Speaking properly is simply a question of discipline. Elocution lessons may be necessary to correct the worst accents - and possibly a decent thrashing

Fully fledged Londoner here. It's the best accent in the world you utter slags.

Extremely lazy talkers are these Londoners, even the old Londoners. They should be reminded of the letters that are in these words they say.

Example number 1.

The world 'bottle'  why would an English person pronounce this as 'bo'UooW'

I would believe a West Indian person would pronounce the word 'bottle' in a more correct manner than any old Londoner.

*The word 'bottle'  why would an English person pronounce this as 'bo'UooW'

the only bloke who should be allowed  to use Cockney is Dave from the Winchester .

Otherwise it gets right up my 'ooter 

try "the rain in spain"

benidorm

The rain in Spain fall mainly in England.

more rain in northern spain than England 

OK you k/cuffing t/ncuc/a

Hi coach hope you are well and winning?

The above was Smithfield market backslang, in the 70s, had a mate who worked there a variation on victorian backslang and Polari

Well it definitely isn't c0ckney, it has a 'T' in the middle. No 'H' threw me for a while

Tnuc is simply the word spoken backwards, they had a habit of putting an a on the last word in a sentance. I believe in Victorian B/slang the t+th was dropped, I may of course be wrong about that

k/cuffing  t/ncuc/a   kcuf (k-cuff) again the word is backwards backwards with the ing added. it's difficult to show the pronunciation in the written word, well..... rof em/a

erm you have 2 C's in Tnuc; it certainly looked like that but again I was thrown by the additional C. Should that be there?

As said this varied from other b/slang I heard in other parts of London. they did seen to accentuate the cuffing bitby drawing out the f but writing this stuff requires someone better than me, that wont be difficult I hear you say

Interesting BTF - As is c0ckney and the latest street talk although it don't suit white kids imo but I am old school and out-of-date/touch. I'm also not a fan of text talk on a forum, there's really no need for it but I can understand its use on a text

I'm three-parts Tommy Steele with a hint of Danny Dyer myself.

Snap


From Smithfield folklore, supposed to have happened in the 60s, 2 porters 'Big Ian' and his witness the 'Stunted Ape' a small guy with as much body hair as a monkey.
in court on a charge of assault on a Greek

The defence brief makes the mistake of asking the 'Stunted Ape' (don't know his real name) to tell the court in his own words what happened................................

"Well it's like this....this Bubble was doing the nonsense on Big Ian."  stop! says the beak and he leans over the bench to hear from the clerk that a Bubble is slang for a Greek person, carry on!,  "Like I said, this Bubble was doing the nonsense on Big Ian he's turned around and gone pop,  and the Bubble had claret all down his mooey. STOP!! fined £90 and bound over to keep the for I year.

That story is supposed to have made the local rag but I never actually saw copy. or if compensation was awarded.

Snap to Aspro.

Because of the use of b/slang through most of the day, the Stunted Ape was instructed not to use any in court just normal English he thought he was using the Queen English in court...so the retelling of the story goes.

I've got London accent, born in Brixton but some people think I'm posh which I'm not. Not a "cor blimey guvnor merchant" well spoken but don't ever forget my roots.

Hi JM,

That's pretty much how I now speak with my mates. We're not trying to be offensive either, it was just slang. Today's slang a bubble means 'laugh' - How they get that I'll never know and they can't seem to tell me either.

I guess when you're brought up speaking one language you know little different.

Come on Slippy - G rated house?

Hi Slippy,

That's enough from me, don't want to hijack the fred.

Yes Aspro, it's yours for 2 big ones, me and the missus are going to move to Sussex when her kids leave school!

foxy, boss, its great to see you back innit. at the end of the day you know what i mean brov.

its not just fake west indian i think there's abit of fake new york gangsta in the youth accent around these parts too.

i was born in chatham (the home of the chav ) and what coach was referring to earlier is estuary english. i think its the most awful accent there is and i speak it unfortunately, i hate the sound of my own voice.

bubble bath = laugh

ahhh, ok - young fellas at work couldn't tell me but appreciate your input on the subject jolly

..and Slippy, if you're talking about real big ones (which I assume you are) I can barely raise 30%

Poor Brummies

Cheers Jolly, It's all good, new meds great so I'm not as cranky on these now as I was on the old ones, Yes the 'Estuary' English was more confined to the south of london/Essex/Kent if my rubbish memory is correct.

Bubble n Squeak= Greek

Brummie is a nice accent  ,can't understand why its so maligned .

Oh well !

Boxing , betting improving after a really poor run or a poor run of luck i should say  ,still keeping it going .

How about you mate ?

Slippy ,if you mix with the middle classes these days  you should atleast attempt to tone down the accent otherwise it suggests you're not trying hard enough to fit in . Your friends  could even see it as a  social snub

Coach, Best I've been for a few years now, it's all good, Thanks for asking.

Sorry you're having a bad run hope your Tank doesn't get any more hits'.

At the mo you must be muttering 'if it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no fecking luck at all' it changes now, I've just had a look at my chrystal balls,

as long as its not crystal meth great mate 

Wouldn't even know what that looked like, have never tried any drugs, now whiskey, that's a different matter.

most london accents I hear these days seem to be largely eastern european

just saying

Or The Akbhar Mob

I have to say, for all I hate the accent, Kate Tempest is seriously talented.

She knows what time is it.

yes mobo - a right mix old going on .

I always think of London as upper class English .... Chelsea ,Kensington  and Hampstead  ...  others think Cockney geezer , youngsters think of Jafrican .

Be interesting to do a  pie chart