i'm so bored - anybody looking forward to WAR in europe?

A truly desperate claim from Cameron we would be at war if we were not in the EU?????????????????

One of the main reasons for the formation of the EU was to prevent war between member states.  So to that extent it has been successful.

True, but I cant see there would have a war anyway?

Exactly ebul but don't confuse Baron with logic.

He's the fella who used to put the powder down on behalf of his local council to keep elephants away and when told there aren't any elephants round there he said, " I know. It's bloody good stuff this."

It's NATO that has prevented war, not the mussie formation EU...

Just wait til the Ottomans get in..

Gruppenführer Merkel welcoming Erdoğan and his cohorts..

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we could pull out and join up with the ruskies, that would put a shockwave through europe

we,re that busy invading other countries in the middle east,afghan etc theres no troops left to have a bunfight in europe

Another daft move by the PM.
If Brexit could endanger peace, be the catalyst to WW III and cause global genocide - why did Dave say he'd campaign to leave if he didn't get his minor & almost worthless reforms?

How soon people forget their history.
When the EU was formed Germany was split down the middle. With the Russians controlling the Eastern half and the other half in the West.

Germany haven't been in a position to arm themselves let alone wage war on anybody since WW2.
With NATO forces still on their soil at the present.
That's what's prevented Germany from making war not the EU.

Yet still they're making a complete mess of Europe, only without troops this time.

Good point, HH. Someone from exit (whoever) with half a bollock should pipe up and say Cameroon is a fecking loon suggesting war.

Merkel don't need an army she will have her own nuclear bomb when the EU army is formed

This is barrel-scraping at it's most pathetic, extrapolating history to absolutely risible conclusions.

European peace is based on membership of NATO to the largest possible degree. Parliamentary democracies in mature Western Governments will not go to war with each other under any circumstances - other than if an unelected 'Big Government' runs roughshod over its citizens. Then you may get an alarmist, instable and knee-jerk reaction like say, the rise of the Far Right in Austria and France, which may lead to less-than-peaceful outcomes!

g2 - Boris was saying it today really. Good stuff from him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1jvbkf87Tg&feature=youtu.be

Cheers HH; i was laying on a pair of 38 double dd's at that time...

oh yeah I forgot it was Monday

Peace since 1945 has largely been because Europe became sick of war.


We also have kept troops in Germany for 70 years after finishing the job properly unlike in WW1.

What Cameron is also astonishingly ignorant of is that a takeover of the UK by stealth has been underway for 40 years.

We've lost self determination. We have no border control to speak of. UK citizens have NO advantages living their own country!

We nearly lost our currency. We have embraced all our other cultures except ours.

Peace? Not for much longer old fruit.

A war in Europe may be a good thing. Not that i would fight in any such war for Britain.
Not under any circumstances, there are millions of people living in Britain who i do not like and have nothing in common with. Why would anyone born in this country feel any loyalty or any sense of duty towards it?

all of us on here would be in the Home Guard anyway. rob dylan would be Pike.

God save us from the fuzzy wuzzies Captain Mainwairing

Eeternaloptimist 09 May 16 15:36 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 37,935 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
Exactly ebul but don't confuse Baron with logic.

He's the fella who used to put the powder down on behalf of his local council to keep elephants away and when told there aren't any elephants round there he said, " I know. It's bloody good stuff this."

I thought this was a joke when I heard on the news when Cameron  said we risked a war by pulling out of the EU. What is he saying that we would declare war on the EU?
Because as far I can see it’s only Britain that is voting to leave the EU. Not that the creation of the EU as stopped conflict on European soil, or can Cameron not remember the 90s.
Also the record for longest period of peace in Europe is between the battle of Waterloo and the WW1 some 99 years a bit before the creation of the EU.
So in my estimation big Dave is either a liar or he is as thick as pig ****.

I think Cameron wants out of Europe. Probably reverse psychology is involved in his speeches.
Cameron and Jack straw both want to stay in? that's enough to get me to run in the other direction.

Its prosperity that has prevented wars. When the EU falls apart in a few years and German living standards collapse and they blame the Greeks Spanish and Portuguese we will see if we have become more civilized or not.

The theory of the EU project is seen in terms of a permanent change with countries being economically and legally  tied so far less chance of war.  Same really applies world wide.  The time since WW2 is short in the history of European warfare.  NATO is just another alliance and history shows how easy they can fall apart therefore interdependancy was seen as a more reliable long term guarantee of peace.

And as for America being the guarantor of peace, well things also change there. Look at Trump's attitude to Europe looking after itself.

we will see if we have become more civilized or not.

Especially as the German army will then have changed from blonde hair and blue eyes, to black hair and fuzzy chins..

Also the record for longest period of peace in Europe is between the battle of Waterloo and the WW1 some 99 years

Apart from:
1815–1817 Second Serbian Uprising
1817–1864 Russian conquest of the Caucasus
1821–1832 Greek War of Independence
1821 Wallachian uprising
1823 French invasion of Spain
1826–1828 Russo-Persian War
1827 War of the Malcontents
1828–1829 Russo-Turkish War
1828–1834 Liberal Wars
1830 Ten Days' Campaign (following the Belgian Revolution)
1830–1831 November Uprising
1831 Canut revolts
1831–1832 Bosnian Uprising
1831–1836 Tithe War
1832 War in the Vendée and Chouannerie of 1832
1832 June Rebellion
1833–1839 First Carlist War
1833–1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–39
1843–1844 Albanian Revolt of 1843–44
1846 Galician slaughter
1846–1849 Second Carlist War
1847 Albanian Revolt of 1847
1847 Sonderbund War
1848–1849 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence
1848–1851 First Schleswig War
1848–1849 First Italian War of Independence
1853–1856 Crimean War
1854 Epirus Revolt of 1854
1858 Mahtra War
1859 Second Italian War of Independence
1861–62 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1861–62)
1863–1864 January Uprising
1864 Second Schleswig War
1866 Austro-Prussian War
1866–1869 Cretan Revolt
1866 Third Italian War of Independence
1867 **** Rising
1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
1872–1876 Third Carlist War
1873–1874 Cantonal Revolution
1875–77 Herzegovina Uprising (1875–77)
1876–78 Serbian–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1876–78 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1877–1878 Russo-Turkish War
1878 Epirus Revolt of 1878
1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
1897 Greco–Turkish War
1903 Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising
1904–1908 Macedonian Struggle
1905 Łódź insurrection
1907 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910
1911–1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1912–1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania

... tbf it's close but not quite true.

and more recently a little spat in the former Yugoslavia

my classroom had a banner on the wall - in all of recorded history there has only ever been 250 years of peace. I always thought that to be optimistic. There's a war somewhere at any time.

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
NOW WE CAN FIGHT THEM AT THE BALLOT BOX'S.  Vote OUT

We won't leave coz we're Smart suited , Top buttoned up with Poppy for Show wearing **** , and Obama Said So !!

*****'s*

TheBaron  • May 9, 2016 6:32 PM BST 
The theory of the EU project is seen in terms of a permanent change with countries being economically and legally  tied so far less chance of war.  Same really applies world wide.  The time since WW2 is short in the history of European warfare.  NATO is just another alliance and history shows how easy they can fall apart therefore interdependancy was seen as a more reliable long term guarantee of peace.

And as for America being the guarantor of peace, well things also change there. Look at Trump's attitude to Europe looking after itself.

I do not think it is worth it.

I believe countries should maintain their own sovereignty. They have a right to their own governments, their own economic systems,
their own values.

As long as we do not attack each other, there would be peace.

Of course America itself has to keep to this, it appears to be the worst offender.

I agree with Trump. It means we no longer have to fight wars for America.

We can still have mutual treaties for defence and trade agreements.