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21 Apr 16
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It's even worse since the smokers were kicked out of pubs and office buildings, as a non smoker, I really don't see why I should inhale second hand smoke, there's almost no getting away from it, so many people smoke. Surely if it was banned in public people would have to wait until they get home, at least they'll be saving some money.
My lungs are being punished for someone else's habit which can't be fair. Probably only a matter of time before it is with a bit of luck.
My lungs are being punished for someone else's habit which can't be fair. Probably only a matter of time before it is with a bit of luck.
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If everything in the world were new and neat and clean I would not want to live. Certainly i would not trust someone who didn`t like cigarettes.
Thats how it starts. |
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I suppose it depends what sort of country or town/city you want to live in.
Perhaps we could have pubs for smokers, and indeed hospitals for smokers only. Financed by the tax on smokers. The tax of course would be only for the smokers hospitals. Non smokers could finance their own hospitals. Non smokers I suppose may be allowed into smokers pubs, but not into the smokers hospitals. They would not have paid their way having not smoked. |
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Allowing smokers to smoke in their own hospital beds may be going too far. But it is something for smokers to decide.
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Some excellent points there Lfc1971.
I've been a 'vaper' for over 4 and a half years now but am not - and will never be - an anti-smoker. If it weren't for the smokers everyone would be paying approx 10p more in the pound in income tax to keep the county running. A fact seldom mentioned by the anti-smoking lobby. |
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Couldn't agree more, Tommy. Been a vaper for nearly 2 years myself, costs me around a pound a week in juice, and the benefit to my health (and those around me) is priceless.
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It costs me around a fiver a week, Johnizere, but I was a 40 cig a day smoker before I went on the vapes - which would be costing me approx £140 a week these days - with about 90% of the £140 going to the treasury, which equals £126 that I don't have to pay in extra tax anymore.
How bloody chuffed am I! |
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You do realise vaping juice prices will go up so stock up you now , before new regulation comes in.Long term money maker you all the crap from China.
Well if you want to ban smoking Scandi , i want cars banned i love walking but i fkcing hate breathing in petrol  |
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stock up now*
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I was on a 50gm pack of tobacco before the big switch.. somewhere around £15 quid a throw nowadays?
I make my own juice from ingredients bought online... liquid nicotine, polypropylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, and flavourings. Plenty of info available how to mix together, just follow the simple instructions. A 10 ml bottle of juice retails around 2.99 around here, can pay up to 4.99 in some outlets! I reckon I make 10ml for about 45p. Everyone who has tried my juices says they're up there with the best. You can buy 10ml for £1 at pondshops, but it's carp. |
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*poundshops
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They are going to hammer tax on them soon though maybe a few on here will be gone before that though
You ever mixed legal highs in johnizere |
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If it weren't for the smokers everyone would be paying approx 10p more in the pound in income tax to keep the county running.
A fact seldom mentioned by the anti-smoking lobby It it weren't for smokers, the cost of the NHS would be a lot less, especially considering lung cancer is the most frequent case they have to deal with. I think that neutralises it somewhat. |
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Everyone who has tried my juices says they're up there with the best.
yes I did hear the same |
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https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/
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Tax man is coming for you
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Strength going down , size of bottles going down
As if they are going to let ebayers and small shops keep making huge money on these by importing them from china for pennies  |
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Which path will the UK follow?
Almost all retailers and manufacturers will be forced to comply with the TPD as the cost of MHRA liscencing will be to far to high. As it stands, this will mean a reduction of product avaliablity, variation, inovation and choice for the user. It will also mean increased costs which will ultimately have to be passed on to the consumer. Multinational corporations that can afford the millions of pounds investment for medical lisecening will be able to promote their products more aggresively, with reduced competition. In this way the MHRA are effectively handing the market back to Big Tobacco, the companies who spent much of the last 50 years trying to get people hooked on tobacco cigarettes. |
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The Chaser...You ever mixed legal highs in johnizere
wouldn't know where to start! As far as taxation on e-juice is concerned, how can they tax glycerine, poplypropylene glycol, and food flavourings as a tobacco product? Maybe the only ingredient they could target could be the liquid nicotine, which I but at £35 for 500ml... and use just 4ml/20ml bottle of juice giving around 16mg nicotine strength per 20ml. A ready mixed juice from the shops could be a different matter for taxation purposes. |
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*which I buy
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Tobacco smoke is dispersed outside Scandinavian, you will not get lung cancer from it.
So why ban it? |
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It it weren't for smokers, the cost of the NHS would be a lot less, especially considering lung cancer is the most frequent case they have to deal with. I think that neutralises it somewhat.
It still nowhere near compares to what smokers pay in to what it costs to treat them. The lard-@rses of this world pay nowt in extra taxes - and they are the biggest drain on the NHS these days. Let's ban the fatsoes. In fact, let's ban everything and everybody that doesn't happen to be to our own personal liking. What a glorious world it would be, eh? |
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Taxation brings in 12 billion from smoking, direct cost to the NHS is estimated up to 6 billion, but then you have to factor in things like sweeping up cigarette butts and putting out fires caused by cigarettes. It also loses tax revenue from lost productivity when people are made ill by smoking.
Anyway this gets away from the main point, why should non smokers have smoke forced into their bodies by smokers? which is why it should be banned in public. In regards to bad food or anything else not to my own personal taste, then if people want to kill themselves eating rubbish that's simply their prerogative and doesn't impact upon my health at all, second hand smoke is a different issue altogether and can't be compared. |
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If you walk along any main road in this country one gasp of air will bring in more pollutants to your lungs from the passing cars/buses/wagons than spending a lifetime inhaling second-hand smoke from a smoker.
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Air pollution cost 40.000 lives a year in the UK
53,800 people die every year from secondhand smoke exposure Vehicles are not imposing the way cigarettes are, people will quite happy blow smoke in your face as they walk past. |
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I have no more to say.
This is utter nonsense - and I have wine to drink! |
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Well they're official figures I haven't made them up.
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You sound like a precious little girl S_H.
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Actually those figures on second hand smoke was from a US site
 UK second hand smoke figure is 12,000 so air pollution is a bigger killer but we can't ban cars or any vehicles the economy really would crash, but we can stop non smokers from having people force smoke into their lungs, nobody's habit should be allowed to impact other peoples health, the wine you're drinking is not going to harm anyone else for example. |
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johnizere
Date Joined: 17 Mar 04 Add contact | Send message 21 Apr 16 14:33 Joined: 17 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 9,768 | Blogger: johnizere's blog The Chaser...You ever mixed legal highs in johnizere wouldn't know where to start! As far as taxation on e-juice is concerned, how can they tax glycerine, poplypropylene glycol, and food flavourings as a tobacco product? Maybe the only ingredient they could target could be the liquid nicotine, which I but at £35 for 500ml... and use just 4ml/20ml bottle of juice giving around 16mg nicotine strength per 20ml. A ready mixed juice from the shops could be a different matter for taxation purposes. Ready mix is what i mean , they will be in the chemists and all that not your local pakistani shops |
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Tommy Toes
Tommy Toes 21 Apr 16 18:36 Joined: 20 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 54,816 | Blogger: Tommy Toes's blog I have no more to say. This is utter nonsense - and I have wine to drink! |
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Could ban cars and just use public transport , they big fkcing exhausts on peoples motors blow out a **** load of fuel
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fumes*
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I have a scooter so no one can say i cause pollution
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Theres Scottish peep on the dole following smokers about as passive smoking is all they can afford.
Have a bit of empathy for yer fellow man, and woman of course. |
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aka
ex jail convicts sue also if they shared with smokers even when they smoked themselves , just beautiful |
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i sneek into your loft late at night while you sleep and smoke and exhale the fumes through small bore holes into your room.....
as a non smoker i think you can get a little intolerant of smokers. pushing the poor blighters into the dark so they can puff away is a bit sad. |
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i sneek into your loft late at night while you sleep and smoke and exhale the fumes through small bore holes into your room.....
When younger my mate was a non smoker and hated anyone smoking in his car , me and my mates used to say cool it ffs.When i had stopped for a while always on and off i knew why he was jacked off it was bad even with window open. |
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Have you ever considered wearing your own space suit scandinavian, you could breath in only pure oxygen from cylinders
You would not have to worry about any air pollution whatsoever whether smoking or not |