Wheat Barley Rye and Oats - bellys gonna get you.

I have cut out bread from my diet, again. On the 12th day now going strong, muscle crampness has already lessened considerably.

But wheat is very hard to cut out from the diet, it feels and seems like wheat is in everything

if you are going to eat bread make sure its brown bread,experts say there is a massive difference between brown and white bread and the white stuff is very bad for you .So the next time you buy bread use your loaf and grab the brown one,its the little changes that soon be come a successful habit.

Oats doesn't contain Gluten. Porridge is very good for people.

Only a small percentage of the population are gluten intolerant. If you're not then you don't need to avoid it.

talking about everyone - not just the gluten intolerant folks. you get away with it until damage becomes chronic. impedes uptake of nutrients.

if you are taking anti acids you are a suffering from refined foods - wheat is a primary offender.

hate the idea of this too - love french toast.

quote from a web soure -

Oats contain avenin, which is a protein similar to gluten. However, research has shown that most people with coeliac disease can safely eat avenin. Problems can occur if oats are produced in the same place as wheat, barley and rye, as the oats can become contaminated with these other grains.

if you leave oats in a bowl - see if you can clean the bowl with ease next day - glue like structure does not break down very well.

done some research - Italians get less sensitivity - why?

they drink red wine with their meals and eat vinegar dressing salads. both wine and vinegar help dissolve the glue of the gluten off your intestine's villi.

so booze is good if you eat pasta. get the kids drinking too?

Even if you haven't got Coeliac disease if you want to really avoid foods with gluten get the gluten-free food directory from coeliac.org.uk.

The danger to your health from wheat/cows milk is very real.
If it doesn't get digested properly that is.
We have the same situation with meats, fish etc.

Protein is digested in your stomach in a different way to starch.

Try to digest the two together and for many people this results in indigestion or food not being broken down properly before it hits the bloodstream.

Alcohol will complicate the digestion process even further.

You need to understand all of this before you start cutting stuff out of your diet.

If this is true, then simply removing a starchy bulk food like wheat will improve digestion matters considerably, but not for the reasons many people think.

Cows milk doesn't digest well with most foods.

If you are bombarding your system with that many times a day and you suffer with stomach problems you've got no chance.

Many adults are unable to digest the lactose in milk properly but can eat dairy products which have lower amounts of lactose due to processing such as Greek yoghurt and hard cheese. No need to eliminate these unnecessarily.
A much lower percentage suffer from gluten intolerance and if you don't then there is no need at all to go for gluten free products. They contain extra additives, sometimes more calories and are more expensive. That said I would urge people to eat proper bread and avoid the devil's concoction that is factory produced bread. If in doubt bake your own.

Anything that assists the digestive process is desirable.
Good digestion is imperative to decent long term health.

If the body is continually under stress from poor digestion or regularly overloaded, then it's not surprising that other organs in the body start to fail.

wheat is an anti nutrient - binds with other minerals .

as said already,  wheat is everywhere ,and what the hell do you replace it with 

(instead of Sandwiches,toast etc) ?

That's another thing wheat does - destroys your imagination!

Hell's bells, I've been eating wheat every day for the past 70 years, no wonder I'm a cabbage.

Dead man walking there.

^that was meant as joke before anybody jumps down my throat.

Very true Dr Crippen

If you have ever stayed in Catalunya you will have heard the expression.
Menja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort!"

lol Flowermyth - i knopw tyhere are alternatives of course without using flour  - but  i guiess i meant what do you replace it with without going round the houses ?

is home made bread a good idea and what  would you use for example as a base ?

Menja bé, caga fort i no tinguis por a la mort

Elvis must have been heard that one.

I'm not one for advice on home made bread, I'd be looking to replace the lunch time sarnie for instance with fatty chicken, some greens, toasted sesame seeds and lashings of olive oil. Or a mushroom omelette, or scrambled eggs and a tin of kippers boiled for a few minutes.

But if it is home made bread, could you not use chickpea flour and make some bread, flat bread (or as a thickener for some home made soup? When I need a small amount of flour I always use chickpea flour cos it's cheap.

Or you could simply take what you put in your sandwich and put it in a lettuce wrap (didn't float my boat to be honest).

chick pea flour sounds a good idea - never heard of it before  - this is something i'll have to look up with c/p/f
recipes  .

Omelettes are another great idea - forgot about them

cheers flower 

...known of gram flour  -  i have heard that one

also as *

I was going to say gram flour but thought you would say wtf is that? I think it is also called besan or besun, same thing.

looks like bread made with CPF is a no-no.

good though for flat bread though and indian cooking .

will buy some when next in town

Romaine lettuce makes a good bread substitute when making a chicken sandwich.

I only eat about 5 slices of bread a week.

i'm eating purple salad leaves 'butterhead' salad. from tesco - nice tasting salad leaves. been using them as wraps. i had spring rolls and wrapped them in salad leaves - that was great. chopped up chicken too added english mustard and a spoon of honey in the pan.
even put haggis n neeps on the salad(scottish crap). Eliminated all processed foods. stomach needs the rest. need to start drinking red wine for the clearout properties.

The future is corn products imo,much better for you and no gluten,i been off wheat/ yeast for 8 months now and hard belly gone
Its tough to cut wheat out 100% but there is other foods ,can be hard to find corn/rice foods and seems more expensive to buy these foods also
Just eat wholefoods

be careful of lettuce,possibly the worst thing you can eat - takes ages to break down

My food allergy test told me to cut out wheat/ cocoa and weirdly mushrooms ,not sure how accurate these tests can be but has made a difference to my life

are rice and pasta ok?

Private food allergy tests have been shown to be rubbish.

In a test the same samples of a person's blood were sent to the same laboratories under different names and the results all came back different even from the same laboratory. 

Like I said earlier, cutting out a serious bulk food like wheat can have spectacular results on your well being anyway if you have a suspect digestion.
It's well known that wheat and cows milk are the big two with regard to suspect foods in this respect, because elimination diets have shown this.

So it's no surprise that these testers will include one of these in their results.

I'm having oats and barley water right now.... they were soaked in warm water, boiled and then yeast added. Nice black home made stout going down a treat

I started the HFLC diet about 10 days ago. High fat low carb.

Also cutting out sugar.

By not eating bread/rice/pasta the hunger I felt was incredible. I've often ate 2 meals a day but was not getting hungry. With 3 meals but no carbs the hunger was painful.

It's subsided now.

http://realmealrevolution.com/real-thinking/the-10-commandments-of-beginner-banting

Banting is named after William Banting who popularised this diet.

It's more expensive (due to the high meat content) but interesting and very tasty. I don't have a sweet tooth so it suits me.

Looking to lose about 7 pounds.

Good luck, I'm into my third year of HFLC and very much enjoy this way eating/living.

Ovalman

I absolutely love stout. May I enquire how the home made measures up against other stouts and how difficult it is to do?

I don't have any special diet but usually between winter and competing in triathlon in the summer I usually shed a couple of stones by easing back on the stout/chocolate and increasing my training.

A year ago I was brewing homebrew kits but brewing from basics is really easy. You'll have everything at home except for a thermometer:

https://youtu.be/fPRLc9-C73Y, use a 5L water bottle to brew (slightly opened)

Home Brew can be an acquired taste. Think of how Carling v Carlesberg or Guinness  v Caffery's tastes. Do you like one or the other? Home brew will have it's own taste, it can be bad, good or better than what you expect. It will also improve with age (2 months.)

I've been brewing now 1 year, love the subject but each brew I do gets better and better.

Nothing wrong with oats imo. Full of health benefits.

Surprising the amount of sugar in grains that people don't know about.

meat loaf be nice, mashed taters, gravy, okra - maybe some of that fine cornbread your missus make

If you're intolerant to any of this stuff then you clearly need to eat more of it.  Practice makes perfect

Had toast and marmalade for breakfast, having cheese on toast now for lunch.
Will check my pulse later this afternoon just in case...

"if you leave oats in a bowl - see if you can clean the bowl with ease next day - glue like structure does not break down very well."

I usually have Tesco gluten free oats and they are much less glue like. I make my porridge with water in the microwave.

They must be prepared gluten free environment as, as already mentioned, oats are naturally gluten free.

I'm glad I don't have any food allergies. Must be a nightmare.